Reply #262: cut the bullshit

[RainDog]

yeah, some conspiracy theorists have some whacked ideas about the illuminati and bilderberger.

however, that doesn't mean that conspiracies don't and didn't occur. remember a little thing called Watergate? How about Iran/Contra? Did you know that the U.S. media did not break this story? Instead it had to come out of Lebanon and that Israel, Russia, Iran and France have all validated all or parts of the story? And those same assholes who conspired to ignore the constitution are now the "great minds" behind George W and the Iraq invasion?

How about the drug running by the CIA in the 1980s to fund covert wars that killed nuns and priests b/c they didn't support the fascists in Central Am? I recommend you read Lost History, by Robert Parry (of Consortium News) to learn some truth about the right wingers in this country. Parry was a pulitzer-nominated reporter who left the mainstream media after he saw their complicity with the ring wing (and dems too, no doubt) to smear anyone who told the truth. Read about Gary Webb and what happened to him after he broke the story about the drugs coming into L.A. Time and Newsweek have never apologized for their lies.

Are you familiar with Kissinger's work in Chile? They've had truth and reconciliation hearings and have posted information online that came from those hearings that talk about what happened during the Pinochet era- again, the asshole the official U.S. supported. Suharto - Wolfie was big on him. The coup against Mossedegh, the democratically-elected leader of Iran in the 1950s, who was replaced by the Shah - and is why Iran has fundies in power today.

Are you familiar with Watergate man E. Howard Hunt and his deathbed confession about a conspiracy (actually he said lots of diff. ppl wanted JFK dead... and he named names... names that others have talked about and provided evidence about for years.) Have you heard of Robert Blakey, who said, maybe 5 years ago, that, knowing what is known now, he would question the official story about JFK? crazy conspiracy nut... that conservative lawyer.

What about the man responsible for Obama's SS security being connected to Watergate and the ratfuckers (as they called themselves) who engaged in every dirty trick imaginable... what about Haldeman saying Nixon's reference to the Bay of Pigs on his tapes referred to the JFK assassination.. and not wanting to open up that issue? What about Don Hewitt, then producer for CBS news, more recently producer for Sixty Minutes, who, in his taped session for the archives of television history, said that he thought, based upon all the evidence over the years, that the JFK murder was a conspiracy? What about about Robert MacNeil, of PBS News Hour, who was in Dallas and who was photographed with dozens of others looking over the concrete barrier at the grassy knoll because of the assumption (which was also, btw, reported on tv news at the time... footage of this also exists and I can show you where) who said that people would have to be totally naive to think that conspiracies didn't and hadn't happened. He's not exactly a big spouter of illuminati b.s. - and btw, I also wonder how many ppl who talk about that crap aren't really trying to discredit real information..

What about MKUltra and CointelPro? These conspiracies existed to defame/destroy left wing leaders in the U.S. in the 1960s. What about the lies of things like the Tuskeegee airmen who were given v.d. in order to study its effects? (they were all black men, btw).

What about Gladio, which the Italian govt acknowledged in a govt. meeting, and their use of nazis in post-WW2 Europe, and up until at least the 1970s to assassinate people like, oh, maybe Aldo Moro and blame it on the left wing in Europe? (this you can learn about via google vid which has a documentary from Europe about this.) And of course, Gehlen and others from Nazi Germany were brought to the U.S. to advise on Soviet policy... and his lies about the USSR and the resultant McCarthy bullshit?

What about the America First Committee and others who tried to get General Smedley Butler to be their figurehead after they assassinated FDR? They wanted a fascist govt here, and J.P. Morgan and the DuPonts were behind this. Read Butler's War is a Racket, and you can also see The Plot to Seize the White House via Google vid. Smedley testified before the House, but they suppressed his testimony... yet it's there.

and speaking of, what about Sibel Edmonds and the virtual news black out about her accusations of a spy ring inside the state dept that is selling weapons tech?

What about BCCI, the largest bank fraud in history, which was also an early funder of the Muslim Brotherhood... which also helped Bush Sr. to cover for selling nuclear components to Pakistan?

so before you go making a smart ass remark meant to dismiss all concerns about right wingers in our govt and outside of who are willing to assassinate leaders who are left of Attila the Hun, maybe you should learn some real history and not the bullshit the U.S. media feeds you like pablum.

but then again, maybe you don't want to know, because then you'd have to decide if you will speak up or remain complicit.