Reply #38: apples& oranges- A PATRIOT justifies torture!-ends do not justify means

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

edited for spelling
Sorry but you should really reconsider your stance.
Your attitude about this is what the entire PNAC is based on.
Leo Strauss= the neo cons' "GOD" and mentor--
I challenge this logic and must insist that the Ends do Not Justify the means-
We are not licensed to Amerikkkanize the rest of the world
(even if they do have things we want to own)!
IT IS WRONG and even lots of Republikkkans won't buy it -
It is technically illogical to assume that if "our team" has suffered
then it is therefore hereby declared "justified" that "our team" may
commit reprehensible acts on the "their team"...

so we have to clarify...
define their team --who is that?
I know you were talking Viet Nam and Korea-
-so What the hell do those people have to do with Iraqis?
Are Iraqis part "their team"?
Does their team include any or all citizens or resistors who reside in countries we are attempting to take over and control?
Is their team of a particular "religious faith"?
(I ask do the Pat Robertson fanatic Christians speak for or represent all Christians?)
Does their team include ALL members of a particular race?

There is no such thing as "them".
You have obviously bought the farm.
Them is whoever they feel like railroading.
Violence begets violence.

We have beheaded probably between 100 and 200 thousand Iraqis.
Yep, that's right, i said "be-head"!
Them daisy cutters 'll take yer head right off!!
Whap!
And that WP !! whew eee!
That'l burn yer head right off!
and how 'bout them MOABS Stan ? !!
And them there cluster bombs Tom !!
And that poison gas 'll burn yer lungs out Jim.

All justified under the guise of helping to spread freedom!

And i guess it is pretty humiliating to end up dead after being tortured--
just a little humiliation right ?
How many?
You think they write it in a book?
You know this aggressive freedom spreading military has humiliated and ended up killing countless innocent individuals.
And word gets back home about what we've done to their loved ones--and do you think they are in the forgiving mood?
How many more troops' lives are at risk because of this abhorrent uncivilized behavior?
sitting duck targets!
What a joke !

We cannot live a dual standard if the World is to ever take us seriously!

And if we can't set a good example who can?
I watched the film on CNN of the execution of wouded Iraqis in the Mosque so don't tell me we give them medical care.
And the execution of "suspects" from the hellicopter--and a how bout all the journalists?

Truth by Example is what I say!

Your attitude is one of hypocrisy and lacks in the morality department...but you're exactly the type Uncle Sam wants to hire up.