Reply #10: It seems to me that the Bush Cartel is PREVENTING investigation,

[Peace Patriot]

apprehension, and prosecution of numerous alleged terrorists, by more objective third party governments, and is hiding many of these alleged terroists away in secret prisons, or prisons where access to third parties is virtually impossible (like Guantanamo).

I have been wondering lately WHY they are doing this. Who ARE these people that they are imprisoning or "rendering," and torturing, in secret? For one thing, it seems that a number of innocents have been caught in this horrid net, and that the purpose of the imprisonment and torture is to terrorize and humiliate the Islamic world in general, and any who would oppose the Bush Cartel. Their apprehension and torture seems to have no other point.

Another reason for jailing and torturing innocents would be to force confessions, but no confessions have been forthcoming, no show trials, not propaganda value to the Bushites.

So, we have the innocents, on the one hand--who may have done absolutely nothing, not even carried a rifle in Afghanistan. We are beginning to find out more about them--because of the publicity around Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and the UK demanding and getting release of their own.

But, besides the innocents, the darkest of these dark prisoners--the ones sent to the secret prisons in Europe, or "rendered" to other countries that have reputations for torture--simply go totally unidentified, and are totally without rights or recourse. Are they even terrorists? Are they even Islamic/Arabs?

Or, could they be, a) in some way involved in Cheney arms dealing or other dirty dealing around the world, or in Bushite efforts to plant WMDs in Iraq after the invasion (or the foiling of such an effort); b) witnesses who know about Bush Cartel funding of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda; c) know something about how 9/11 was orchestrated and funded; d) participated in outsourced tweaking of the electronic voting machines in 2004; e) enemies of Ahmad Chalabi, or Manucher Ghorbanifar, or Chevron, or Orrin Hatch; f) fill in the blank.

Torture can have many uses, to the thieves, murderers, and arms and drugs dealers in the Bush Cartel, and to corporate war profiteers. None of them has any interest in the security of the people of the United States. None whatsoever. (I am quite convinced of that.) So, who are these prisoners?

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NONE of the Bush Cartel prisoners, secret or otherwise, has ANY rights whatsoever. None are considered "innocent until proven guilty." None have access to our courts, or to anything resembling a real court. All access to them is restricted, including that of their assigned lawyers. They are fair game for both random and focused torture. They are extremely vulnerable to going mad, with indefinite detention, and would be quite useless as legal witnesses to anything, and would be unprosecutable in any real court of law, after such treatment. And that's the known prisoners. The others are in a dark dungeon somewhere, 'disappeared' from the world, as animals to be tormented and killed at the will of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their cohorts.

To say that this is disgraceful and appalling...is just not enough. Our "president" is now no better than Pinochet, or Milosevik, or Stalin, or Hitler. 'Disappearing" people. Torturing people. Whisking them away in "black" flights to nowhere.

The only good thing I can think of right now is that it's so bad, so disgusting and so appalling, that it might help us throw off our Corporate Rulers, once and for all, in one fell swoop--the whole, rotten, corrupt, devious, thieving, murderous, fascist lot of them, who have been scheming against us, and robbing us, and destroying our democracy, since Reagan. The military contractors. The banks. The news monopolies. The bought and paid for politicians. The Halliburton's. The Bechtel's. The Wal-Marts. The Diebold's. The rapers and pillagers of our planet. The lot of them.

This is what Corporate Rule hath wrought. Time to throw them all off, the scumsucking parasites of the world.