Reply #147: Reading over this thread

[Malva Zebrina]

I ask myself: How did we come to this point? Women battled their souls out, took great risks, did not back down and we a voice with one message--abortion should be available to ALL women who would make that choice.

How did we get to the point where we now blithly discuss what a woman should do and what women should do, and how they should run theri lives, and how no one wants abortion as if we are talking about a poplulation of faceless, nameless, but human women, nevertheless. Every woman is entitled to choose, according to the law, and no one is privvy to discuss her choices, especially not the state, and ambitious women with a run for a presidency in mind blurring that.

How did we come to this point, where people thought they and the state had a right to jerk the freedom of women around intheir coffee clatches, in their churches, in their meetings and in their speeches to possible voters.

I agree with the posters who think it is pandering to the right, once more. Religion took over, and weak women with no sense of the history of their sister's fight for their freedom and no sense of self esteem, marched like banshees in front of clinics (which btw, DID offer contraceptive counseling) injured workers in those clinics, set fires, and some assassinated doctors. They were applauded by their ministers, priests and "thought" they were doing the right thing. This needs to be "respected"? Does anyone really think these religious are going to stop their crusade to allow the state to take over the body and the lives of women? Who is behind the abstiinence only programs that leave out important health information re sex? These people will NOT stop their assault on women and will not stop forcing pregnancy on those women to save a "baby" which we now see being debated whether or not cells feel pain.

as for the proclamation in #129 post

all well and good. Sounds good.eh? That's proof Hillary is NOT tacitly approving of those fanatics eh?

Truth in Contraception. Government-funded abstinence-only programs are precluded from discussing contraception except to talk about failure rates. A recently study found these programs distort public health data and misrepresent the effectiveness of contraception. Our bill ensures that information provided about the use of contraception as part of any federally funded program is ...

The Catholic Church to this day, does not support contraception in any form. It is responsible for supporting the removal of funds for overseas women's health clinics, and responisble for witholding condoms as a means of contraception and health protection from those who may want to limit their family and may even have AIDS. The Catholic hospitals will NOT counsel women who have been raped, nor provide them with emergency treatment to prevent pregnancy, nor will they provide contraceptive counseling, nor will they hire doctors who do not agree, nor will they proveide surgical contraceptive approaches, such as vasectomy or tubal ligation. Women in need are forced to travel, in some areas, more than a hundred miles, or more, to seek the health care they need. And that goes for the other paragraphs in that bill , as well

How does "respecting" that help women? This speaking of the women who would be involved as if we owned them and as if they needed to be counseled is ridiculous. They should have unlimmited access to all and any clinic and all and any other services a clinic would provide re women's health--pap smears, breast exams etc. To speak of women as if they were a class that everyone needs to take part in analysing and deciding what is "best" for women is ridiculous. Leave them alone-we see no such discusion about men's reproductive lives anywhere--We should not even have to be discussing this at all

It is obviously political on the part of Senator Clinton

The people who have successfully convinced women that a blob of cells is a "baby" and all women should not "kill" their baby are NOT going to give up trying to kill Roe vs Wade. Moving toward the middle seems like such a good way to get elected, except when you read the history and recognize how much womena have lost so far since RVW It was such a noble victory for women and their health. Now those same women are being bandied about, victims of religion and politics. Leave them and their lives alone. Trust me, they know how to live their life without your help.