Reply #12: I completely disagree with your conclusions...

[Sugarbleus]

I live in Calif. My family and I spent YEARS AND YEARS camping and enjoying the forest. My sister lives in the high sierras NOW.

I am a granny, I've lived a long time. ALL of this hysteria is completely over done. I believe in conservation but NOT all anti-interaction with our land. That is just ludicrous. Sorry any one is pissed BUT SO AM I.

I'm SICK TO DEATH of the radical enviromemtalists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are two disabled adults. Do you realizine how fucking difficult it is to even get into the parks these days????????? IN my state, there are so many god damned stupid laws that prevent us from purchasing the simplest of things BECAUSE OF RADICAL EPA SHIT. My husband has the use OF ONE ARM. Guess what? NOW we have to buy little things like GAS CANS, for example that only a person with strength and the use of TWO hands can get into. SHIT LIKE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGESOUS. It's insipid.

IN terms of the forest, I have spent huge portions of my life enjoying them. I love the forest. I love the wild life. We loved fishing and camping. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND that the forests were mismanaged EONS ago. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE LEAVE THEM ALONE NOW SO THEY CAN ALL BURN THE FUCK TO THE GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We HAVE to continue to manage them NOW.

I'm not talking about cutting Sequoias or Redwoods OR CLEAR CUTTING.

I used to drive over to Neveda along the old road, now I80, as a youth...it was lush with trees, we could pull off the roads and have an impromptu picnic in the forest, along the rivers et al. Now, it's NAKED. CONSTANT FIRES ALL OVER THE PLACE..dead wood lying on the ground, dead and diseased trees left to become the NEXT years KINDLING. It's STUPID! I haven't seen any replanting yet either..

I finally got to go visit YellowStone Park a few years ago. Unfortunately it was right after the idiot Eco nuts LET IT BURN. My experience there was utter sadness...trees and landscape compeletly wiped out. I will NEVER live long enough to see a lush forest there again.

What the hell is the difference between taking non specific burned, dead, dying or diseased tress.........and letting the forest fires take them? Animal habitate is destroyed either way, along with the tree.

I've NEVER seen as many or as HORRENDOUS conflagrations in the forest as I've seen in the last 15 years. One after the other after the other. Life and plants destroyed, save the forest? Are you kidding me!?........then come the slides and floods, if not reseeded. Those wash away nutrients and "habitat" as well.

Then you have the asshole econuts who won't approve of OTHER people visiting, or building in a certain area BUT THEY HAVE THEIR CABINS/dwellings in those areas...No one else can go into those areas but they can trip the light fantastic--and call it "work"...fuck that.

I know the Sierra Club and others wish to close down Yosemite to so much traffic. ON that issue I rather agree; it's become too crowded, smoggy, and less pleasurable. However, they should never disallow people completely (which seems to be the mantra of the MOST radical of Enviros)The back side of Yosemite is barren from massive fires also. Very ugly.

In my own community we have a sizable wilderness area/park. For years it was open to hikers and trail bikes. Guess what? NO MORE TRAIL BIKES...even if they stay on the paths THAT WERE BUILT FOR THEM. WTF!

Don't forget the idiots that put MTBEs into our gas here. LOL.. Some science that was! Didn't bother to find out that MTBE's is TOXIC as hell!

Oh, Oh, "Clubbing Salmon"???????? WTF geez, I could go on. I know that the leader of the original Green Peace movement QUIT because of the FRAUD. I can produce bits of the early environmentalist "Manefesto"......it's VERY DISTURBING.

I'm for protecting larger endangered species: wolves, whales, African specimens, arctic wildlife et al... but I'm NOT on board with saving a bug or a small weedy flower that grows like..well, a weed, in order to PREVENT any building. Growth should be controlled but not STOPPED. I'm for curbing pollution; clean air and clean water and helping with natures global warming in a sane and sensible way--which includes saving the forests by MANAGING THEM, keeping them growing and clean..the rest of the eco movement is LARGELY nonsense.

I'm sorry if you don't like my position; guess what? most people feel like I do..those that can reason, that is. The green movement has turned from a genuine conservation movement into a political movement with hatred for industry (which employs people)and hatred for human beings. "Humans are killing the planet" :crazy: