Ridiculous FBI list: You might be a domestic terrorist if . . .

[n2doc]

Do you pay with cash? Do you try to be prepared for disasters like a good Boy Scout? According to an FBI brochure, then you are suspicious and might be a domestic terrorist. Sadly, this is NOT a joke.
By Ms. Smith on Sun, 08/21/11 - 2:13pm.

You might be a domestic terrorist if you pay cash or if you "insist" on privacy when, for no reason, you are asked to show your identification. Sadly this is part two and not a You-Might-Be-a-Redneck-If-type joke as there is more proof that you might be a domestic terrorist if you actually believe your Constitutional Rights, or if you express concerns about Big Brother, or even if you have ever discussed the apocalypse online and your 'radical' Christian beliefs. When it comes to disasters, if your plan is to "be prepared" like the Boy Scout motto, then guess what? Be prepared to be suspicious and end up on a watchlist as a domestic terrorist. Prepared Girl Scouts are not safe either.

Oath Keepers posted a "communities against terrorism" brochure that the Colorado FBI handed out as a potential indicator of terrorist activities to military surplus stores. The alarming list suggests that suspicious activities includes insisting to pay with cash or if the "suspect" demands "identity privacy." If you went into a military surplus store previously, don't alter your appearance such as by shaving, changing your hair color, or your style of dressing because that too may make you a domestic terrorist. Don't go buying items there as an intended gift because possessing "little knowledge of intended purchase items" makes you a potential extremist to be reported. Better shower well or use cologne/perfume because if you smell strange? You guessed it, you potential terrorist you.



That's not nearly all the "suspicious activity" that might get you labeled as a domestic terrorist. What if you are trying to follow disaster preparedness guidelines as suggested by other government agencies like DHS or the CDC? Not too long ago, the CDC compiled a "Zombie Apocalypse" disaster preparedness list that was such a viral social media hit that it crashed the servers. Well you might be suspicious and a domestic terrorist if you purchase meals ready to eat, weatherproofed ammunition or match containers, night vision devices, night flashlights or gas masks. Examiner journalist Kurt Hofmann pointed out that purchasing such items makes you a "suspected terrorist" but not purchasing the CDC's survival preparedness items means you will be devoured by zombies? Hofmann also says that ironically Homeland Security suggests that citizens have disaster preparedness supplies on hand.



http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ridiculous-fbi-list-you-might-be-domestic-ter

[n2doc]

1. Of course, the 5th item on that list applies to Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and

most of the republican presidential field. Maybe this is a good thing after all.

[dtexdem]

11. Oh, no no! This is a "might be a terrorist" list --

Rush and the Faux News crowd ARE terrorists. No "might be" to it. ;-)

[MineralMan]

2. Sounds like the description of most of the customers I've

seen in military surplus stores. The employees and owners, too.

[dmallind]

3. Which ones are false?

Nothing here claims ONLY extremists do these things. Complaining about this demonstrates a classic logical fallacy. If A then B does not mean the same thing as if B then A. Extremists planning Oklahoma City style insurrection would engage in this behavior (which is directed at sellers of military surplus goods - not the most universal of shopping venues). It doesn't mean everyone who drops $100 in greenbacks on an arctic parka is the next McVeigh, but somebody who comes in weekly with chemical burns and rotating disguises who spends thousands on MREs and gas masks while muttering about Armageddon and the purge of the faithless is probably worth a quick call to the local field office.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Well bipods and tripods and night vision equipment

are not in my list of things to have for a quake... just saying.

And gas masks are not on my list either.

[Drale]

10. I have a pair a surplus night vision goggles

Apparently I might be a terrorist, I just thought they where cool.:rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. That they are... but I can understand why

they are in the list.

Also there are several wickets to hit. I know of a COLLECTOR who buys some of these things... I also know of the LOCAL RW militia that frequents those stores and buys all kinds of stuff that should worry the rest of us.

[intheflow]

5. "Related to Military Surplus Stores"

In other words, these guidelines are aimed at retailers who supply survivalists, not society at large. That would be the profile of people like the Unibomber and Timothy McVeigh, known domestic terrorists. They aren't saying everyone who buys this stuff in bulk is a terrorist, just to be on the lookout for patterns of behavior with repeat customers.

[snagglepuss]

14. Exactly. There is much in the world to be concerned about but this list

intended for military surplus stores isn't one of them.

[Webster Green]

6. The FBI are fucking terrorists.

They want to harass people who are into buying survival goods? We are becoming a full-fledged fascist police state. The FBI can kiss my fucking ass. That goes for the DEA and the ATF too. Nothing more than a bunch of thugs. Fucking wussies are wasting time and money raiding the homes of peace activists. Now they want to know if someone buys an ammo box from a surplus store. Gimme a break.

[pipi_k]

7. I think "Ms Smith" is going a little overboard here

The list isn't meant to be used as "Pick one and you've got a terrorist".

And we're not just looking for people who smell funny because they haven't showered. Or someone who got a haircut since last month. Or even people who insist on paying in cash.

But if you have a person come in who is matching more than just a few of those things on the "be suspicious" side, then it IS prudent to be suspicious.

I think people are allowed to do that without feeling like they're depriving Americans of their rights.

[WinkyDink]

8. OMG, my 87-yr-old mother who has a crooked finger, stocks up on paper towels, and always PAYS CASH

IS A TERRORIST!

[pipi_k]

18. Oh FGS

That's NOT what the list is saying.

[Cleita]

9. I got on the FBI subversive list 40 years ago for subscribing to

a Russian magazine when it was the Soviet Union because I wanted to learn Russian. Funny, I wonder if Condoleezza Rice had the same problem?

[tpsbmam]

13. Had to unrec -- you're posting a list from the OATH KEEPERS!!!!

Do you have any idea who they are?

The FBI list makes perfect sense when you learn who the OKs are.

The OKs are a part of the "Patriot movement." Here is a partial list of the people associated with the patriot movement (from the SPLC patriot movement timeline):

White supremacist theorist Louis Beam
Terry Nichols
Timothy McVeigh
James "Bo" Gritz (ran for pres....called for civilian militias)
Anti-Semitic Christian Identity pastor Pete Peters
David Koresh & Branch Davidian
Randy Weaver
"In a speech to the antigovernment U.S. Taxpayers Party, a militant abortion opponent calls on churches to form their own militias, reflecting the increasing convergence of Patriot and anti-abortion activists."
"April 5, 1996: Patriot activists mix with neo-Nazis and Klansmen at Jubilation '96, a Lake Tahoe, Nev., gathering of more than 500 people hosted by adherents of the racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity religion."

And more.

Here's a little on the Oath Keepers from the NAACP tea party report:

After Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer signed SB1070, which required local and state officials to enforce federal immigration law, the statute faced immediate challenges in court; and as of the time this report went to press, key provisions have been blocked by a temporary injunction. A boycott campaign and other protests have been underway to oppose the law. In response, ResistNet started a “We Stand With Arizona” project to support the law. Nearly one hundred sponsors, including numerous local Tea Party and 9-12 groups have signed on, along with celebrities like Sarah Palin, John Voight, Ted Nugent, and Lou Ferigno. Other nativist groups are also supporting this campaign, including NumbersUSA, North Carolinians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement, and Kentuckians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement. In addition, OathKeepers and a group called Well Regulated American Militias are on the We Stand With Arizona list.

And in a different part of the NAACP report:

Notable among the workshops were presentations by Pam Geller, an anti-Islam agitator; and a set by the Oath Keepers, a quasi-militia group that focuses on recruiting law enforcement officers and military personnel, and defending their version of the Constitution. A similar workshop with Spike Constitution Defenders, mixed a bit of Posse Comitatus-style rhetoric into their propaganda. Another workshop presenter, Samuel Duck, conducted a workshop advocating repeal of both the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Amendment. The Sixteenth Amendment, which gave congress power to levy the income tax, has long been a target of the far right. Making a target of the Seventeenth Amendment, which provides for the direct election of United States Senators, however, is less widely discussed. Among proponents of its repeal are Rep. Ron Paul (R. Tex.) and Tony Blankley, a conservative columnist. They consider repeal an extension of states’ rights. By any other measure, repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment has to be one of the most anti-democratic proposals floating around inside the Tea Party milieu.

And yet another part of the report:

Other signs of the militia impulse include the omnipresence of Richard Mack at Tea Party-related events--not just those of the Tea Party Patriots mentioned earlier.

A former Graham County, Arizona sheriff (1987-1997), Mack first became prominent in 1995, after he sued the federal government over enforcement of the Brady Bill. During the mid-1990s, he became a popular speaker on the militia circuit. Indeed, he spent so much time outside his own county, that he was defeated in a primary election in 1996 and lost his office. Mack wrote, or co-authored, two books during that period, arguing militia-style that, “proponents of the New World Order are entrenched and moving forward aggressively with their plan.” In Mack’s view, Satan is acting through conspiracies every day. And like other Christian nationalists, he wrote, “The court-imposed separation of church and state is a folly, a myth, a lie.” Further, in language reminiscent of segregationists in the 1950s and former Tea Party Express boss Mark Williams when he wrote about the NAACP: “The Reverend Jesse Jackson types and the NAACP have done more to enslave Afro-Americans than all the southern plantation owners put together.”<228>

(Mods: each report part is a separate article -- no copyright violations here.)


Here is what the SPLC has to say:

Oath Keepers, the military and police organization that was formed earlier this year and held its April muster on Lexington Green, may be a particularly worrisome example of the Patriot revival. Members vow to fulfill the oaths to the Constitution that they swore while in the military or law enforcement. "Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and we will not obey unconstitutional (and thus illegal) and immoral orders," the group says. Oath Keepers lists 10 orders its members won't obey, including two that reference U.S. concentration camps.

t's not known how large Oath Keepers is. But there is some evidence beyond the group's mere existence to suggest that today's Patriots are again making inroads into law enforcement — the leak of the DHS report, along with those of a couple of similar law enforcement reports, was likely the work of a sworn officer. Rhodes claims to know a federal officer leaked the DHS report, and says Oath Keepers is "hearing from more and more federal officers all the time."

The group does seem to be on the radar of federal law enforcement officers. In May, a member complained on the group's website of a visit to his farm by FBI agents who asked him, he said, about training he provides in firearms, survival skills and the like.

One Oath Keeper is longtime militia hero Richard Mack, a former sheriff of a rural Arizona county who collaborated with white supremacist Randy Weaver on a book and who, along with others, won a U.S. Supreme Court decision that weakened the Brady Bill gun control law in the 1990s. "The greatest threat we face today is not terrorists; it is our federal government," Mack says on his website. "One of the best and easiest solutions is to depend on local officials, especially the sheriff, to stand against federal intervention and federal criminality." Mack's views echo those of the Posse Comitatus, which believed that sheriffs are the highest law enforcement authorities in America. "I pray for the day that a sheriff in this country will arrest an IRS agent for trespassing or attempting to victimize citizens in that particular sheriff's county," Mack said in a video he made for Oath Keepers.

And, finally, again from the SPLC:

Oath Keepers Group Battered by Members' Arrests

Oath Keepers, a two-year-old organization that encourages police officers and soldiers to disobey orders that may be unconstitutional, has long contended that it is about nothing more than protecting Americans' freedoms. Its leader has angrily denounced suggestions that the group is animated by radical beliefs, and accused critics of working to smear an upstanding, patriotic group.

But several recent developments have created problems for Stewart Rhodes, the Oath Keepers leader who says he merely wants to defend the Constitution.

This April, a suburban Cleveland, Ohio, man described by a prosecutor as the president of a local Oath Keepers chapter was jailed on 54 criminal counts related to his alleged storing of a live napalm bomb at his home, along with other explosives kept at a friend's home. The man, Matthew Fairfield, already had been sentenced in February to two years' probation for carrying concealed weapons.

During the same month in Tennessee, an armed man driving a pickup truck emblazoned with an Oath Keepers logo was arrested in a bizarre scheme to place two dozen officials in a town under arrest.

(more at links)

I, for one, am glad that the FBI is on top of this and is looking out for DOMESTIC TERRORISTS in the guise of PATRIOTS!! The oath keepers and their ilk don't like it because the FBI list is targeting THEM, and I'm glad they are! ETA: target "patriots", hate groups, militias, etc. They're doing exactly the right thing here.

And eta the Minutemen border patrol were mostly comprised of "patriot" and hate militia group members -- again, these are the kinds of groups that the FBI watch is targeting.



:applause:

[The Magistrate]

15. Indeed, Sir: Every Member Of That Body Ought To Be In Jail, Without Bond, Facing Sedition Charges

[Dawson Leery]

16. "Oath Keepers" purpose of recruiting police and military

is to acquire their training and weaponry.

This groups is dangerous indeed. Their "model" of what law enforcement should be is non other than Joe Arpaio.

[Coyote_Bandit]

17. I'm just an old woman

who likes to go camping and hiking. And I need to buy some weatherproof match containers. I also need to by some water purification supplies.

I'm a glass artist and jewelry hobbyist. Chemicals and stains are routine as are injuries to my hands. And a mask to protect from various chemicals and silica is mandatory.

I've been known to insist on paying with cash. I was sent to a Christian school that I consider extremist. And I find it convenient to buy sehydrated vegetables.

Geeezzzzzzzzz.

[8 track mind]

19. Oh boy where to begin.....

1. MRE's: if I'm going camping on the motorcycle, I take a couple of these with me. They ain't half bad, and they can keep you going if you break down out in the middle of nowhere.

2. Waterproof match containers: Duh, campfire boil water, make MRE.....

3. Paying cash: I FUCKING hate debit cards. With cash I know what my balance is, much less ever incur overdraft charges.

4. I'm a gearhead. I allways have cuts, dings, bruises, and I smell like gasoline/parts cleaner.

5. Using items for their non- intended purpose. Absolutely! I once made a dandy optical audio level limiter using a "Slurpee" soda straw, a light emiting diode, a light sensitive resistor, and a black magic marker. Still working well to this day I might add!

6. I DO happen to frequent military surplus stores. Empty .50 cal ammo boxes happen to make some of the best tool boxes/ water proof storage boxes around. Dad still uses the same one after 50 years.

So guys, how about doing some real investigative work insted of pulling facts out of your ass.

On edit: ok, so this is from oath keepers. Dammit, got my hackles raised for nothing. Fuck you "Bo" Gritz.......

[pitohui]

20. what's so ridiculous about this list? seems common sense to me

if you don't understand the difference between normal, healthy disaster/hurricane preparedness and a fucking racist weirdo who keeps buying "bulk" supplies of night vision equipment and enough ammo/MRE's to start world war 3 while i guess you are suffering a total lack of normal healthy common sense

i don't sell military supplies but if i did and the person described in this flyer shows up talking race hate/extreme fundy "end of world" whackjobbery, keeps changing his name and appearance, and has a bag of cash and credit cards in fake names...yah, i'm calling the fucking fbi on his happy ass

if you object to this, honestly, i think you're just being silly

i buy to get ready for hurricane preparedness EVERY year and i never need a bag of cash, false ID, or to shave my head, nor did i need to make "bulk" purchases of night vision equipment, sorry!!!