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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:44 PM Original message |
Oh WTF now....is Harry Reid SERIOUSLY considering a deal W/ NO NEW REVENUE? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just Reid "keeping the powder dry" |
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no limit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. No surprise. This could have been seen from a mile away. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is the best deal that the Dems can get now. |
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nomb (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:59 PM Original message |
This three dimensional chess is a shitty game. What was wrong with the old-school kind? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. Election Results of 2010 put Right Wing Extremists in Control of The House. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. We did not, we do not and we will not have the votes. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Our problem before is we had the votes in the House, but we had a "fake majority" in the Senate |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Well then the wingers don't have those majorities now, right? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Rigid ideologues control the House now. They will not compromise. Any bill has to pass the house. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. And Obama called them out, by name, almost daily. He pointed this out in the same way you just did. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. He did do a fair amount of calling them out, especially at the town halls. Media did not like when |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I knew we would have a good excuse for him not calling them out by name. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. The "standing up" thing was a serious question. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Show us the Links where Obama called out, say, Max Baccus, by name. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Max Baucus is a Democrat. Obama called out Republicans. And don't put words in my mouth. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. In that case the party is finished |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Right now we have to protect SS, medicare and medicaid from cuts |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. I agree that is critical. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Pretty scary Reid is the great defender of these programs! He's not the most forceful fellow |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. do you even need to ask? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. How can you get this teabag house to pass a bill that includes revenue increases? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. Revenue increases=luxury loopholes for millionaires and oil execs |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Can you tell us what the cuts are comprised of? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. 1. Reid's plan does not touch entitlements 2. REALITY: Republican House will never pass Tax Increas |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Then we should never pass cuts in help for poor & elderly |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. How do we get past a House controlled by fanatics? They see the same polls we do that people want |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. By not giving in to them |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. What does "standing up" mean to you? (this is a serious question, I am struggling with this) |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. This: |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Wasn't the high ground on the Bush Tax Cuts lost when they were extended? (nt) |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. We did not, we do not and we will not have the votes to stop the extensions. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Also easily dispatched |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:06 PM Original message |
Never putting the big 3 on the table to start with? Insisting that ALL cuts be in war spending? |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Standing up is not worth a world-wide depression. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Neither is giving in to terrorists |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. So we give in to the terrorists, then run in 2012 on a "raise taxes" platform |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. You have a better plan? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Apparently, there are no entitlement cuts so atleast we have something to cheer about |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Hurray? Obama should never had agreed to the 2010 budget deal. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree with you 100%. This still sucks. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. It does suck. I gotta tell you I don't know what the endgame is going to be. And it scares the crap |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Even if teabaggers all vote no, I think it could still pass if everyone else votes "yes" |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I think you may be right |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. The problem with that is taxes would have gone up on everybody, not just the upper class. |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. That would have been OK with me. The ensuing deficit reduction would have weakened the Repubs. |
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Ship of Fools (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. With all due respect, I beg to differ -- |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. I think the political pressure of passing Unemployment would have forced GOp to cave |
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Ship of Fools (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Now that I think about it, actually ... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
17. As usual, the people get screwed by the rich and the politicians. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
18. but it's not cutting Medicare or Social Security that will be the talking point. |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Well it doesn't touch SS or Medicare. That's not a "talking point". That's what's in Reid's plan. |
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maxrandb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
19. Let's be honest here |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. And then they can re-introduce tax cuts for those below $250,000. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
34. This is the same kind of crap they shoved down our throats in California |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. We probably can, but it will require more than petitions and phone calls |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
39. 1) hands off SS. 2) no extension of Bush tax cuts. 3) end the wars. |
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blkmusclmachine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
41. Apparently so. It's Changelicious. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. Reid's proposal will do the least amount of damage out of everything in the realm of passable. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. You are absolutely right on all points. |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-26-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Least amount of damage to whom? |
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