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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:53 PM Original message |
Poll question: Would you support a Balanced Budget Amendment and a cap on fed spending IF........ |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. I could never support a balanced budget amendment. In case |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The Balanced Budget Amendment proposals include an emergency override option |
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Cool Logic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. States do not have the luxury of being able to print their own money like the fedgov does. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. Any future crisis and social programs will be the first to go... |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. True, but if the budget were balanced and the debt started paying down |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. That would only be true if Republicans didn't exist. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. OK, suppose there were built in protections for Medicare, for example |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. If say the Amendment precluded social programs then I would agree... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. The largest defense expenditures are personnel costs. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Prove it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Here ya go, add it all up. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Operations and maintenance cost 33% more than personnel. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. You need to break down your O and M, though and weed out the "personnel" elements. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-25-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Double booking horseshit. |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. Constitutional Amendments are not tools to fix short term political problems |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. We've been in debt as a nation now for a very long time. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. OK - if you want a balanced budget ammendment then... |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. So, if I understand correctly, you'd support it if the balancing were mostly on the revenue side |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. And perhaps add FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. No. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I don't think that Keynes ever envisioned deficit spending becoming the norm |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
17. a balanced budget amendment |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Consistently spending more than you take in is smart? That's just nuts. |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
18. A balanced budget amendment is a very bad idea. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I agree that we need to collect more revenue. I don't see how balancing the books is bad |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Balancing the books is bad in times of private sector de-leveraging. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No, Cutting spending is bad in times of private sector de-leveraging. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Cutting spending and raising taxes are both bad moves in a downturn. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
19. I wouldn't support a balanced budget amendment AT ALL |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. In some states, where balanced budgeting is the law, the solution for this is a "rainy day" fund |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. State governments are actually constrained in spending. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. The Feds cannot endlessly accumulate debt nor can they simply print their way out |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The federal government doesn't need to borrow at all. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Your post reminds me of Jeff Foxworthy's reply to the repo man - "Oh, you'll take a check!?" |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Our borrowing is largely a gold standard relic.. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Your mistake is believing that there is any difference between any kind of debt |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No, all debt is not the same. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. But if Timmy printed up the bills, the money would be devalued, and we'd have inflation |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 02:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So we are in agreement that.. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I'll agree that it is one restraint |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. Idaho has a rainy day fund... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. I'm unsure and will continue to read the replies to your thread. It's interesting so far. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Thanks |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
33. The balancEd budget proposed is simply a cap on raising rich peoples taxes. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-23-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Not necessarily |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 12:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I meant the specific proposal they now have on the table. |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Fair enough |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-24-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. We would also need to do a few other things |
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