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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:17 AM Original message |
If a college instructor doesn't get tenure, does the committee or department |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not the janitor, but yes the committee and department have to defend the untenureable performance |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. ditto |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. Instructors aren't usually eligible for tenure |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The question was whether someone at the school had to give the person a reason. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes, they do, but "instructor" is typically not a title associated with |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It depends on the school - |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. They're ones that expect a lot of publications, plus quality teaching, |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. In general, yes. All T&P decisions are supposed to follow policy and most policies have |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. At state universities and colleges, tenure rules may be expressed |
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exboyfil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. I don't know |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yes, but a lot of it comes before the decision - there is a series of assessments |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
8. Some years ago, I read a book, THE CLIFF WALK, by a man who didn’t get tenure. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. When I worked at the University of Chicago there was a male scientist |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
10. Depends on the university but actual reasons given are usually fairly minimal. |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
13. What exactly is the goal of tenure? Why is tenure required for higher education? |
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libodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Security |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Seems like to me that if you are a good professor, the college will want to keep you |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. A " normal working person" doesn't voluntarily give up 6-8 years of |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. While it certainly happens that tenured professors "quit" working |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. the fearlessness to think outside the box. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. The original idea was to create "a community of scholars" |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well since colleges are forced to consider tenure, then they might choose alternative solutions |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. In state universities in particular, professors come under threat from |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. That makes sense. i was working for a private college anyway |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I'm glad things worked out well for you. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. Depends on the institution |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
18. Also denial of tenure |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. It always results in being fired |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I would say that they're synomous |
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