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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:15 PM Original message |
Eugene McCarthy's Heir: Who Has The Courage To Challenge Obama In The Party? |
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frazzled
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. And give us another Richard M. Nixon |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Nixon was to the left of our current government. |
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brentspeak
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Beat me to it |
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Peacetrain
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yeah if you like what the Nixon Whitehouse was going to do with its enemies list |
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Pirate Smile
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. The Republican that would win now sure as hell wouldn't be. |
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TheWraith
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. And if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. |
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ProSense
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Oh bullshit |
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RC
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. OK then, Obama is to the Right of Nixon |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Nixon embraced Keynesian economics; Obama has embraced neoliberalism. |
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ProSense
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Throwing cliches around |
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Ken Burch
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Sun Aug-14-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
115. It goes without saying that he'd have beaten a renominated LBJ as well |
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Hart2008
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Fri Sep-09-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
160. Agreed. NT |
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Starbucks Anarchist
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Sun Aug-07-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. Yes, that $700 billion stimulus package wasn't Keynesian at all. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No, because it didn't spur demand for domestic production. It ultimately went to China. NT |
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tweeternik
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Mon Aug-08-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Not nearly big enough AND $300 billion were for tax cuts ..... |
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Sun Aug-07-11 10:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
40. Nixon wasn't pro-choice (he staunchly opposed Roe vs. Wade) |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
67. Almost half of the Supreme Court Justices who gave us Roe were Nixon appointees! |
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Wed Aug-10-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
97. And Nixon had nothing to do with their positions on that, but nice try. n/t |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. A ridiculous myth at that. I can't believe so-called Democrats |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. Hear hear- Nixon to the right of any Democrat ? Hahahahahaha |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. You think so. Do you know what Nixon's Southern strategy was about? Ever hear of the enemies |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I lived the history. I was there. |
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still_one
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. So was I. So what. Nixon was no liberal, and he was a crook /nt |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Crook and Liberal are not contradictory terms. |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Nixon was not a liberal - he was a conservative working in a |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The people Nixon called the crazies started our right wing turn. |
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ProSense
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Hmmm? |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-23-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
145. You put your finger on it. The political environment has a lot to |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. So was I. And I was a Democrat not a Republican |
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dbonds
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. Congrats, so was I. |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. He can be both corrupt and sort of liberal. |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
81. They are not conflicting ideas once you are in politics ? |
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Ken Burch
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Sun Aug-14-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
116. And Nixon was certain to beat LBJ |
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Ikonoklast
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. Prove it. |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I don't usually do people's homework for them... |
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Ikonoklast
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yeah, "Yahoo Answers" is the ultimate source. |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. put your hands over your ears and cover your eyes all you want. |
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Ikonoklast
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Sun Aug-07-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. He was a racist bigot and anti-Semite. |
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Sun Aug-07-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. So you are going against the grain of consensus history opinion to say he wasn't more liberal... |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. Re-evaluating Richard Nixon: His Domestic Achievements |
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dbonds
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
90. Thanks, for the list, well said. |
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bornskeptic
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Fri Aug-12-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
109. Nixon's healthcare plan was far from single-payer. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-15-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
125. When Kennedy Nearly Achieved The "Cause Of His Life": Health Care Reform With Nixon |
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truedelphi
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Fri Aug-26-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
152. Thank you for posting that record. |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. And Tried To Put Two Arch Segregationists On The Supreme Court |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. He appointed four Supreme Court Justices. Three of them voted with the majority in Roe v. Wade. |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. After The Democratic Senate Rejected Haynesworth And Carswell |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, and the Burger Court was far to the left of the present SCOTUS reactionaries. |
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dbonds
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. You are thinking in black and white. |
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Arkana
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. And the Republican that another 1968 would put in place would be |
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dbonds
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Would rather jam the polls for a liberal democrat. |
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bornskeptic
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Mon Aug-08-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
45. He was far to the right of Lyndon Johnson and Hubert Humphrey. |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #45 |
82. Humphrey was rather hawkish about the war. I tend to disagree. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. But he was also to the right of LBJ |
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dbonds
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Nixon was to the left of our current government. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Did you ever think that we would have a Dem president who would make us nostalgic for Nixon? NT |
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SidDithers
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Sun Aug-14-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #65 |
113. You're nostalgic for Nixon?... |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-15-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #113 |
124. Nostalgic for Nixon's liberal domestic economic policy which was to the right of Obama's. |
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Hart2008
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Fri Aug-26-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #124 |
155. Nixon's liberal domestic economic policy which was to the LEFT of Obama's. |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Tue Aug-09-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Are there any Republicans who have a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination that are |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Anyone with half a grain of sense has figured out where the |
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dbonds
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. If only Obama was so easy to figure out. |
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Fri Aug-12-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
108. No, hardly. The Nixon Administration was the beginning of the end. |
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Raksha
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Sun Aug-14-11 09:32 AM Response to Reply #108 |
119. That's true about Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-14-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
120. Regardless, In the USA Nixon was implementing Keynesian economic policies. |
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truedelphi
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Fri Aug-19-11 02:07 AM Response to Reply #120 |
137. Thank you for not letting them rewrite history. |
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Hart2008
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Sat Aug-20-11 08:07 AM Response to Reply #137 |
139. You are very welcome! |
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Mon Aug-15-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
126. Good lord... |
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Sat Aug-20-11 08:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
140. Today's Republican would not be |
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Tue Aug-23-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
146. Too funny. Yes, a racist, homophobic, anti-choice, anti-woman, |
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Fri Aug-26-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
151. what utter nonsense |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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ProSense
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Well, progressively speaking |
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Sun Aug-07-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. No, the assination of RFK gave us Nixon. n/t |
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Fri Aug-19-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
136. Yes!! |
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. McCarthy did not give us Nixon. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Amen. Nixon promised he had a secret plan to end the war in Vietnam. |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
84. That is so right. Humphfrey was hawkish on the war. |
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Ken Burch
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Sun Aug-14-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #84 |
117. in public. Privately, he was fairly dovish |
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Hart2008
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Tue Aug-16-11 05:13 AM Response to Reply #117 |
128. LBJ sabotaged the Dems in '68 to benefit Nixon. It supports Madeliene Brown's claims |
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Mon Aug-08-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. If Bobby had lived, he would have crushed Nixon. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Hear! Hear! NT |
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Sun Aug-14-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #1 |
114. It couldn't have been progressive to renomninate LBJ |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-22-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. The fact is that LBJ's war in Vietnam cost us the gold standard, and the devaluation of the dollar. |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
4. That led to Nixon winning. |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Only after they killed RFK! NT |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. Who would have thought that after RFK was murdered that the country would elect NIXON??? |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The same people who killed JFK to promote LBJ. |
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Sun Aug-07-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
85. I guess we have all had those thoughts. |
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. At that time people felt the Democratic party had betrayed them... |
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Mimosa
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Mon Aug-08-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
49. You described late 1960s history in a nutshell. |
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TexasProgresive
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
24. Tell me when that has ever worked? |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-07-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. When the leading candidate in that party doesn't get killed. NT |
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TexasProgresive
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Sun Aug-07-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. When has it ever been sucessful? |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Franklin Pierce denied renomination at the Dem. convention. Dem nominee Buchanan wins gen. elect |
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Sun Aug-07-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
36. Yay for Richard Nixon. |
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Hart2008
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Tue Aug-09-11 02:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
68. Obama isn't even Nixon. Nixon promised to end a war, and eventually did. NT |
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JoePhilly
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Mon Aug-08-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
47. In response, I'm making an inappropriate hand gesture. |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Is that your age or your IQ? |
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JoePhilly
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Sat Aug-13-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
111. Don't get me wrong .... I get a kick ... |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-15-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Remember what Smokin' Joe Frazier did to Ali's jaw for talking so much? |
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tweeternik
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Mon Aug-08-11 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
48. sorry, I might have missed it ..... but did anyone come up with |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. More information to come next week. The question is not IF but WHO! nt |
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CakeGrrl
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Mon Aug-08-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. This should be interesting. |
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tweeternik
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Tue Aug-09-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
72. oh, good !! i hope it's gary hart !! |
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Hart2008
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Mon Aug-29-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
156. Gary Hart was an early supporter of Obama's. Should he run, it is significant. |
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CakeGrrl
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Sat Sep-03-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Yay, Mr. "Monkey Business" could enter the fray! |
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Hart2008
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Tue Sep-06-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Sorry, Groucho Marx has been dead for some time now. |
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Mon Aug-08-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
58. Because we really want a GOP president in 2012, right? |
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Peacetrain
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Tue Aug-09-11 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
70. You have got to be kidding me... and that worked out how? |
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BklnDem75
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Tue Aug-09-11 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
71. More like: how can the left help the right, again. |
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Hart2008
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Tue Aug-09-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. No, it's how the left helps the left by nominating someone who is truly left of Obama |
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dbonds
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Tue Aug-09-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. +1 |
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BklnDem75
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Tue Aug-09-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Hardly... |
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Hart2008
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. The right's secret weapon in 1968 was assassination. MLK, Jr. and RFK gunned down in their prime. |
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BklnDem75
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Tue Aug-09-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. And the trashing of the same President... |
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Hart2008
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Wed Aug-10-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Sorry, no one here is praising Nixon, only noting the reality of his liberal economic policies |
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Wed Aug-10-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I was talking about LBJ |
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Hart2008
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Thu Aug-11-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
100. LBJ was a warmonger who lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to escalate US involvement w the war. |
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BklnDem75
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Fri Aug-12-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. And your ideology will be praised once again... |
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Hart2008
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Fri Aug-12-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. The country is shifting left on foreign intervention and military occupations from the 2008 election |
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BklnDem75
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Fri Aug-12-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Ron Paul? |
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Hart2008
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Sun Aug-14-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
121. Ron Paul finished second in the Iowa straw poll, and he can raise money from his base. |
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lumpy
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Probably you are right. |
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craigmatic
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Tue Aug-09-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
87. I think Feingold is available. |
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Hart2008
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Sat Aug-13-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
110. Isn't he running for Wisconsin governor in the Walker recall? |
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Hart2008
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Fri Aug-19-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #87 |
138. Feingold is not running. We need a candidate! |
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Hart2008
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Wed Aug-10-11 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
92. If he can raise $1 Million, Gravel would challenge Obama |
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woo me with science
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Tue Aug-23-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #92 |
143. That's the problem. |
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Hart2008
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Thu Aug-25-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. If there is only one challenger, then the message will be important, and money less so. |
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SanchoPanza
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Wed Aug-10-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
94. You mean the guy who endorsed Ronald Reagan in 1980? |
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Hart2008
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Wed Aug-10-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I mean the Democratic Senator from Minnesota eulogized by Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy |
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northoftheborder
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Wed Aug-10-11 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
96. Back to the history of that election>>>>> |
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Hart2008
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Thu Aug-11-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. The only reasonable interpretation of why RFK was assassinated. NT |
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Sat Aug-13-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #96 |
112. Yes indeed! |
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truedelphi
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Fri Aug-26-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
153. Thank you for that reminder. |
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Wed Aug-10-11 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
98. Promoting someone who parrots your views but can't win is political masturbation at best. |
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Wed Aug-10-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Are you seriously denying that FDR's 2nd New Deal was so he could steal Huey Long's "thunder"? |
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Thu Aug-11-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. This isn't 1934. n/t |
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Hart2008
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Fri Aug-12-11 07:46 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. It isn't even 1933. Where is the Home Owner's Loan Corp.? |
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Phx_Dem
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Fri Aug-12-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
107. Why, so he can end up being like your dad? |
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Tue Aug-16-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #107 |
129. Read David McCullough's Bio of Truman to learn how a president confronts GOPers in Congress |
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mdmc
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Sun Aug-14-11 05:07 AM Response to Original message |
118. Nixon was left of the DLC |
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Mon Aug-15-11 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
123. No one. n/t |
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KOfan
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Mon Aug-15-11 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
127. Oh please |
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AtomicKitten
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Tue Aug-16-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. You catch on pretty quick, grasshopper. |
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KOfan
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Wed Aug-17-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. I've been here for a while |
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Hart2008
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Wed Aug-17-11 01:23 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Obama can't win with a 39% approval rating and a 53% disapproval rating |
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KOfan
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Wed Aug-17-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Long way to November 2012 |
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Sat Sep-03-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #133 |
157. With the unemployment rate over 9% it may be too late for him now. |
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BlueIris
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Wed Aug-17-11 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
132. Lots of people. |
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Thu Aug-18-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. Very true, but we need a candidate with the courage to buck the party leadership! NT |
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dionysus
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Mon Aug-22-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
142. lol, thanks for the chucks... |
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IcyMedic
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Tue Aug-23-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
144. I don't see why a primary would be bad.. |
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Hart2008
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Fri Aug-26-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. Isn't the racial issue really about MLK, Jr.'s dream. Shouldn't Obama be judged on his results? |
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NYC Liberal
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Tue Aug-23-11 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
147. Who do you have in mind? I want to know so I can fight my ass off against them. |
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Fri Aug-26-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. No he doesn't |
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Fri Aug-26-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
154. The 'publicans would like that. nt |
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Mon Sep-12-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
161. CIA backed Eugene McCarthy in '68 v. RFK |
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Mon Sep-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Doh! |
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