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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:42 PM
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Dean Baker: FactCheck Gets It Wrong on Social Security and the Deficit

FactCheck Gets It Wrong on Social Security and the Deficit

Written by Dean Baker

FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenburg Public Policy Center, wrongly attacked a number of prominent Democrats for correctly pointing out that Social Security does not contribute to the deficit. The people attacked, included New York Senator Charles Schumer, Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin, and President Obama’s Budget Director Jacob Lew, who had all correctly pointed out that Social Security does not contribute to the budget deficit.

This point should be pretty straightforward. Under the law, Social Security is financed by a designated tax, the 12.4 percent payroll that workers pay on their first $107,000 of income each year. The money raised through this tax is used to pay benefits. Any surplus is used to buy U.S. government bonds. All funding for the program comes either from this tax or from the bonds held by the program’s trust fund. (It also is credited with a portion of the income tax paid on Social Security benefits.)

Social Security is prohibited from spending any money beyond what it has in its trust fund. This means that it cannot lawfully contribute to the federal budget deficit, since every penny that it pays out must have come from taxes raised through the program or the interest garnered from the bonds held by the trust fund.

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Obviously Senators Schumer and Durbin and Mr. Lew were referring to the on-budget budget. It is hard to believe that Factcheck did not understand this basic fact about the U.S. budget. They were right and FactCheck is wrong.

Social Security does not contribute to the budget deficit. That is the law.


What is with Factcheck.org and Social Security? They seem to go out of their way to protect the Republican frame.

Here is Factcheck.org covering for Bush in 2004: Kerry Falsely Claims Bush Plans To Cut Social Security Benefits


Less than four months after the 2004 election, Factcheck.org: Bush's State of the Union: Social Security "Bankruptcy?"

In his State of the Union Address, President Bush said again that the Social Security system is headed for "bankruptcy," a term that could give the wrong idea. Actually, even if it goes "bankrupt" a few decades from now, the system would still be able to pay about three-quarters of the benefits now promised.

Bush also made his proposed private Social Security accounts sound like a sure thing, which they are not. He said they "will" grow fast enough to provide a better return than the present system. History suggests that will be so, but nobody can predict what stock and bond markets will do in the future.

Bush left out any mention of what workers would have to give up to get those private acounts -- a proportional reduction or offset in guaranteed Social Security retirement benefits. He also glossed over the fact that money in private accounts would be "owned" by workers only in a very limited sense -- under strict conditions which the President referred to as "guidelines." Many retirees, and possibly the vast majority, wouldn't be able to touch their Social Security nest egg directly, even after retirement, because the government would take some or all of it back and convert it to a stream of payments guaranteed for life.

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Still, Factcheck.org kept on trying to defend Bush's privatization scheme by claiming Bush's plan wasn't technically a cut in benefits.


MSNBC, 2005: Undaunted, Bush pushes Social Security reform

WESTFIELD, N.J. — President Bush kept pitching his Social Security overhaul Friday, undaunted by Democratic opposition, frayed Republican support and less than enthusiastic backing from the public.

“I’m going to keep telling people we’ve got a problem until it sinks in, because we’ve got one,” Bush said, underscoring estimates that say Social Security will begin paying out more than it collects in taxes as early as 2018.

Bush’s visits to New Jersey and South Bend, Ind., began a two-month blitz in which he and other administration officials are visiting 29 states. The road trip ended a week in which the administration lost momentum on the president’s call to revamp the government’s 70-year-old retirement system.

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Bush envisions no change for current retirees or workers age 55 and older. Under his plan, however, younger Americans could divert up to 4 percent of their income subject to Social Security taxes into personal accounts in exchange for a reduction in their guaranteed benefit.

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Democrats successful beat back Bush's attempts to privatize Social Security. WaPo (2005):

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Democrats responded with their own "Fix It, Don't Nix It" swing while other Bush opponents staged news conferences, placed newspaper ads and commentaries, and aired radio commercials targeting the two House Republicans who hosted the president Friday. Outside Joyce Center at the University of Notre Dame, about 100 protesters greeted Bush's motorcade with signs such as "Social Security Another Big Fat Lie."

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Pelosi: Bush is bragging about failed Social Security privatization efforts because he failed elsewhere. (2009)

Nancy Pelosi Responds To President Bush On Social Security: We're Very 'Pleased' He Is Disappointed (2010)

Destroying Social Security is the Republican wet dream. Yet Factcheck.org seems determined to mischaracterize these attempts as credible and attacking legitimate Democratic positions.


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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:47 PM
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1. Annenburg Public Policy Center...
...leans right?

Is anyone surprised?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 01:55 PM
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2. If controlling the message is a top priority
Theres no better means to that goal than to subvert an organization that had a reputation for impartiality.

I've noticed a right leaning bent to several FactCheck reports, but they were more subtle about it until now.

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:02 PM
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3. So many others have it wrong.......
Excellent post.

The problem is that by law there is only one government checkbook - the US Treasury. And laws have been passed to assure that ALL monies coming into and leaving the US Treasury go through that checkbook.

Does it look like the biggest checks are going to Social Security recipients? Sure. But the biggest deposits to that checking account have come from individual Social Security payments by workers and employers.

Will it ever happen that the payments for Social Security recipients surpass the payroll contributions by them? It could. But that shortage will be covered by the surplus as explained in the Dean Baker article and by Social Security.gov.

Take heed. This is not just about us old geezers worrying about our monthly checks. It's about you future geezers who will be there sooner than you think.

Great post. Thanks ProSense.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:11 PM
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4. So why did Obama appoint a commission to call for slashing it?
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 02:19 PM by MannyGoldstein
N-dimensional chess?

The commissioners he appointed called for cutting the average recipient's benefits by more than $50,000 over their lifetime.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:31 PM
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6. Dems do seem to be complicit in selling lies about S.S...
Why choose Simpson and Bowles as co-chairs if you're not interesting in selling that lie?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:00 PM
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7. No, they're not
complicit.

Senate Dems take Social Security out of budget consideration, revive 'lockbox' talk

Is there a reason you want to project criticism of Factcheck onto Democrats?

Seriously, I'm damn glad Baker called them out. No one else seems to have noticed, and this is likely to get no exposure.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:03 PM
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8. Sure it's great Baker called out Factcheck - now explain why...
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 05:06 PM by polichick
...there wasn't a cochair on the debt commission who didn't already buy into the right-wing S.S. lie?

Dems ARE complicit, like it or not - and I don't.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:14 PM
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9. Who cares?
The commission and its report are both dead. Democrats are not attacking Social Security. Republicans and the media are, and people need to keep up with the times.



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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:16 PM
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10. No. Obama recently praised the 11 commisioners that voted for cutting SS
Saying that it was encouraging.

It ain't going away.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:20 PM
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12. No,
the President recently said: Social Security does not add to the deficit.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:27 PM
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15. "The truth is Social Security is not the huge contributor to the deficit that the...
...other two entitlements are."

It's not a contributor at all - and it's not an entitlement. Republican bullshit!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:32 PM
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18. "It's not a contributor at all - and it's not an entitlement. Republican bullshit!" Oh
really?

His is Russ Feingold in 2008.

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Walker rightly notes that entitlements, too, should be addressed, but a one-size-fits-all solution to those programs will not work. The problems underlying entitlement programs vary greatly. Social Security, for example, is in relatively good shape, needing only modest changes to put it on a sound long-term fiscal footing. Medicare and Medicaid, by contrast, are a much greater challenge. Those two entitlements are health care programs, and they face the same pressures driving the growth of overall health care costs. The only sustainable way to reduce federal expenditures on Medicare and Medicaid is through comprehensive health care reform, where preventive care is valued, necessary care is accessible, and long-term care is affordable. The numerous inefficiencies in the current system have led to a record-setting rise in both the cost of health care and the cost of obtaining health care. Health care costs have become so excessive that more and more Americans forgo necessary health care, only to end up in emergency rooms with compounded medical conditions and compounded medical bills. Reforming our health care system is the key to getting Medicare and Medicaid under control.

link



Robert Reich in 2011:

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Framed this way, the debate invites deficit hawks on both sides of the aisle to criticize Democrats and Republicans alike for failing to take on Social Security and Medicare entitlements. Expect Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, co-chairs of Obama’s deficit commission, to say the President needs to do more. Expect Alice Rivlin and Paul Ryan, respectively former Clinton hawk and current Republican budget hawk, to tout their plan for chopping Medicare.

http://robertreich.org/post/3277360050">more



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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:35 PM
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19. Doesn't matter who uses the term incorrectly, it's NOT an entitlement program...
...because the money going to people is theirs to begin with.

So what was your excuse for the prez filling his administration and commissions with corporate hacks instead of public servants??????
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:39 PM
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20. You need to learn the definition of entitlement, and
then join Democrats in the present.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:42 PM
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:18 PM
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26. I know the definition - and I know spin and excuses when I see them. nt
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 06:20 PM by polichick
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:19 PM
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27. "then join Democrats in the present."
How about just join Democrats?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:08 PM
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24. First, your link disagrees with your assertion
Your link does not quote Obama as saying SS does not add to the deficit.

Second, your post has nothing to do with the post it is in response to.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:16 PM
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11. Who cares? Anyone who cares about fighting for Democratic principles...
...anyone who isn't fooled by lies, anyone who isn't interested in kissing Republican ass.

I also care that the prez packed his administration with corporate hacks when he could have picked public servants. He's absolutely complicit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:22 PM
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13. Hmmm?
Advancing spin is not "fighting for Democratic principles."

Fact: Democrats are not attacking Social Security.

Run with that.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:25 PM
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14. So why did the prez choose cochairs for the commission who buy the lies??
You seem to forget that this prez is responsible for choosing corporate hacks when he could choose those who would work for the people.

Don't change the subject - chew on that very ugly fact.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:28 PM
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16. I don't care
The commission is dead, but you seem to want to live and argue in the time before it died.

It's dead. Democrats have moved on to defending Social Security. Will you join them?

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 05:29 PM
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17. Your spinning does nothing to change the sad facts.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:04 PM
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23. Depends. Which Democrats are you referring to? Those that support the lower class
or those of the Ruling Class that support the corporations? Whose side are you on?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:11 PM
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25. Better tell Obama that his commission is dead
He's still praising the fact that a majority of the commission voted for the co-chair's proposal. Which calls for more than $50,000 in lifetime cuts to the average Social Security recipient's benefits.
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great white snark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:40 PM
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28. Not calling it CATFOOD COMMISSION any more?
Was it all you had hoped for?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:14 PM
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30. It was the opposite of what I hoped for
But, unfortunately, it was all that anyone could expect, given that it was chaired by the two most accomplished attackers of Social Security in the country.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:38 PM
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31. Given the choice of those two, the idea that Dems aren't complicit is absurd. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:40 PM
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:40 PM
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33. At least the person who appointed them was complicit.
It was a full-throated attack on Social Security. And it ain't over, not at all.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:42 PM
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34. Sad, but true. That's the next big people's fight! nt
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 08:56 PM
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35. Wow. Kent Conrad. That is, actually, amazing.
He's probably the second-most accomplished Democratic attacker of Social Security.

Something's up.

Thanks for that.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:26 PM
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5. I wondered about Factcheck.org when I heard
Republicans telling people to check facts there. I figured there must be a spin there somewhere. Who finances Factcheck?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 06:02 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:05 PM
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29. "Havent seen much of you on those threads."
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 07:05 PM by ProSense
Havent seen you at all on these threads: here, here, here, here, here, here or here.

Yet somehow you found this thread to ask a question completely unrelated to unions.

Why is that? Did you decide to question my motives in order to distract from the point of this OP?

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36. kick
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