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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 08:59 AM Original message |
Kerry: Three Big Oil Companies Likely to Back Climate Bill (Strips EPA's authority to regulate CO2) |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. I'd like to see a straight carbon tax rather than the creation of yet another market... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The problem is that a straight carbon tax can not get 60 votes |
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maxsolomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. can it get 51? i doubt it. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Reconcilliation is not possible here - there was no enabling language for it |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Agriculture would be entirely exempt from the cap on carbon emissions. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Just a guess - this bill has a phased employment of caps in different sectors |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Good take on "the civics" |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well, seems that the immigration bill has already won from the latest rumor. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. What saddens me is that so many Dems opposed Kerry's stricter, original bill, forcing a compromise |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I had the same feelings on the original letter as well, but a subsequent letter |
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asphalt.jungle (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. that's what happens when people try to find national heroes in state politicians |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I expect a Senator to be able to balance their concern for the state |
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asphalt.jungle (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. of course the senators who do what's best for the country as a whole |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I hink that the various boards sometimes pick a hero based on a vote or two or personality |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I get what you mean completely. There've been times I've been against Kerry's position on an issue |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Kerry can do no wrong in your world, can he? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. this bill is nowhere near enough, imo. Did you condemn those Dem senators who put the climate bill |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. If not for Senator Kerry, this issue wouldn't even be at the forefront |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Probably mad that their favorite liberal/progressive is not leading on this issue, |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I don't think so here It's far more complicated |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. This is all new to |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. It is silly to suggest that there be a nuclear plant in Beacon Hill |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It was a poster in the Environmental/Energy forum that asked that |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. If you want a climate bill that passes, you need to get 60 votes |
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asphalt.jungle (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. great post |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Yep. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. That's the same line of bullshit used to sell us the pro-corporate HCR |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. what an obvious hitpiece! at least Kate could try to present a truthful description. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I don't see it as a hit piece - It is actually pretty neutral, listing the support |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. every bullet point is a negative claim, there are no positives = Distorted Hit Piece |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You're actually right |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
14. not sure on the upsides/downsides of this yet |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I agree with you |
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damonm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
16. so WTF does it do that's GOOD?!? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It brings carbon emissions down by 17% from 2005 levels by 2020 |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
26. Wish you the best Senator. Cause you are going to get slammed and called |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-23-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. If this bill is given a chance this year, I will support it. It is a beginning and yes it is a |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. It's a start, but very definitely a compromise--many compromises. Also, may well be dead this year. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I remain optimistic that Climate Change, then immigration can be accomplished this year. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
34. How ironic that Nixon was the greatest environmentalists of all time! |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It's the times. And, if this effort fails you will get your wish and the EPA will take it up. n/t |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. We are being played for suckers by the political elites and their phony 2-party system! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Please list all the "corporate Democrats" or if easier, those that aren't |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. The EPA will continue to do everything it is currently doing |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Welcome to DU |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. "liberalism is a direct threat to my family" |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-24-10 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
41. As a country we're doing entirely too little, too late to change the tracks we're on |
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