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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:23 AM Original message |
U.S. Will Be Out Of Afghanistan By 2017: White House |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. 2017? That is ANOTHER eight years. |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
98. We don't have the money but we can borrow it from China.. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. The OP headline is misleading as it's a total guess on the reporter's part. Surprise, surprise. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I would bet any sum of money we will not be out by 2016. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Perhaps you & the reporter of this article have something in common... I'm not into hypotheticals |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Open your eyes to the reality. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I would be surprised if President Obama does not share your concerns, which is why... |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. AQ isn't mushrooming. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Heads of state and people in the region differ with you. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. None of those suggest AQ is mushrooming. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You offer only fact-free rhetoric and refuse to accept "reality" despite my credibly sourced links. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Sorry, I thought you had been paying attention. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Now you have 1 source who has no security clearance and hasn't been in the region since the 80's... |
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Garam_Masala (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:21 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. Sorry but president is 10 times smarter than Dr Sageman |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-27-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. We should trust our President, like Brittany Spears said, huh? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Exactly. Crap post. n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You really expect an escalatation will get us out in a shorter period? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The surge in Iraq worked by most analysts' reckoning & Pres. Obama is now beginning to w/d troops. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. It wasn't the surge. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. The Sunni Awakening would not have succeeded without the security provided by the surge. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. I really love this. Using Iraq as a model for success. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I'm refuting your earlier point. I'm not a rigid ideologue who can't give credit where it is due. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
88. The Sunni Awakening preceded Petraeus surge by months |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. Did I ever say that?! You like the OP have problems with reading posts and articles. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Ok. I ask now, do you think a surge will get us out quicker than |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. What is this talk about 8 or 9 years? |
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lazer47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Have you people not been listening,, THE WORLD WILL END IN 2012,, |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
5. How in the hell does this title relate to what Gibbs said? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. lol. It will take the majority of next year just for the Second Surge. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Are you not understanding my statement?! Is it that hard to grasp. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Once again vaberella, it's simple math! 2009 + 8 = 2017 |
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2tr4nqued (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Obama's goals in Afghanistan are naive and unrealistic. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. and he will get a lot of people killed for nothing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What are his "goals"? Since you are obviously privy to an advance copy of his speech next Tuesday. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Obama's goal is to tell the GOP he has cojones |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Then why did he REJECT all 4 plans presented to him? He wanted an exit strategy |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Obama's plans reeks of Nixon's Vietnamization |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. What IS his plan? Did he tell you before he told the rest of us? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. According to her, his only "goal is to tell the GOP he has cojones". |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I know. Some people just like to make Obama look bad DESPITE the facts. They're the Faux anchors |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. The goals are similar: 24/7 Obama Outrage serves their hateful need to demonize the President. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
89. A President about to embark on a course that will bankrupt our country |
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Baltoman991 (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Oh good!!! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. I prefer unbiased facts to the fact-free anti-Obama rhetoric that seems to be the norm for you. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. I will make it a point to post every civilian casualty and US troop deaths |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Go ahead. That doesn't mitigate the fact that you have offered no facts to back up your rhetoric. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. The facts will be the new graves at our national cemeteries caused by Obama's wars |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Tacky grandstanding on "new graves" doesn't prove "Obama's goal is to tell the GOP he has cojones". |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. It's also simple comprehension: Saying we WON'T be there another 8 or 9 years |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Don't patronize me. You are SPREADING misinformation!! |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. I'm just doing simple math. 2009 + 8 = 2017 |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I want to call you a liar but I don't think it's in the rules. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
23. Saying we will be out BY '17 does NOT mean we won't be out BEFORE '17. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. That's the thing as well. No where in the bloody article does Gibbs say well be out by 2017. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Exactly. Yet people are "doing the math" and concluding that Obama said we'll be there 'TIL |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
60. No they are definitely spinning on purpose. This is straight up nonsense. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Like we are going to get out early!!! When have the generals ever wanted to do that? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Since when were the generals the POTUS? Do you forget that Obama REJECTED the plan of the |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Yes, yes, yes.... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. "now Obama is committing our troops there for at least seven years" Really? What's your source? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. She also said we're in a double dip recession, "proving" it by posting links to |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. ROFL...she's got a recognizable MO, I see. She shares it w/many others desperate to demonize Obama. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. She sure does. Many posts to her have gone unanswered, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. ... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. ... |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Obama isn't a devil. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You haven't answered my question: what's your source for your "seven years" war claim? |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Read the article. Or just do the math. 2010 plus seven years equals 2017. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Once again---where in Gods name does Gibbs---who the author is quoting... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Nowhere does it say that "Obama is committing our troops there for at least seven years" |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
84. Yeah, it's all about Obama? Damn that's beyond conceited. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. Psst ... a future double dip recession that will start in 2010. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. We are NOT in a double dip recession and may very well not get INTO one! |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Thanks for American Perspectives of Hope complements of Disneyland. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. We're still coming out of the recession. Things are slowly improving. You and the poster who |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. You're a lost cause. You obviously are not living in the fact-based world. NOTHING |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
91. Well put. eom |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #47 |
90. Bush lied for 8 years, and on Tuesday, Obama will lie to us about Afghanistan |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. I'm so sick of your Obama hatred. You can continue to bash him without involving me. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. No, if the MIC had it's way ... and it HAS so far, we'll be there for 50 more years. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. I'm going by what Obama has said and what he WILL say on Tuesday night. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
81. Then you also must value Obama above numerous foreign service officers and CIA agents. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
96. I trust Obama to make an intelligent, informed decision after consulting with many experts, reading |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
92. Rick Warren sure did a lot for the trust issue, didn't it? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Obama never promised not to allow Rick Warren to speak at his inauguration. Get real. |
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marlakay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
57. My husband is right the military, corporations and banks |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. We both voted for Obama in my home |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
87. +1, you've learnt who the real boss is. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
93. Not to be snarkey, but why don't you tell us what you think rather than |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. That soon? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Did you read the bloody article?! Where does Gibbs say we're out in 2017? |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
73. Sheeettt....even Bush could have accomplished that much |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. You believe this post?! For bloody fuck's sake!! n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Gee, and I always wondered how Fox News viewers could be so dumb. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. 16 years is way too long to be in Afghanistan. Bring our troops home now! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Uh huh. Tell me, does your crystal ball give out lottery numbers too? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Tell me when you're either going to join the Contractors and/or the Military over in Afghanistan ... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Spare me the histrionics & the Christianist terminology. I'm disinterested in indulging either one. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No slight challenge. You think these two occupations are so GOOD and you BELIEVE in all things |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-26-09 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
94. You sort of turned Gibbs' quote inside out |
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mcablue (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-27-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
101. What if Palin wins (God forbid) in 2012? |
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BklnDem75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-27-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
103. Dumbest thread ever |
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