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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:41 AM Original message |
RE: School Assault – PLEASE STOP putting the responsibility on the victims to defend themselves. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. of course. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. society wants us to believe that even if we get our ass kicked it builds 'character'. |
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Teaser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. seriously, all being bullied did for me |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Correct. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The one thing I never understood about it all is this: |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Many adults are F'en fools and many shouldn't even have anything to do with raising kids or |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Mine too . . . |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yup -- the stories we hear about victims standing up to bullies are great because they're so rare. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. It's kind of like another authoritarian fantasy - Horatio Alger. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. That's an excellent comparison, and one I hadn't thought of. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
7. Indeed--zero-tolerance policies include self-defense. It needs to be said--a lot, apparently. |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
53. and they often conveniently forget about that. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes, exactly! |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. Putting the responsibility on the victims is a school administration's |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
61. My younger |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 10:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. It's a pretty lame immature world in many ways. n/t |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. Brilliantly put |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. I say get that D1 Football player's name out. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
12. The hair-trigger fight-or-flight response I developed as a kid who was constantly bullied... |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
13. The powerlessness exhibited in your post is a perfect example |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Except the repercussions aren't often minimal. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. No matter what, the bullies will still be there - and the cavalry is NOT on the way. |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. To me |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. You are certainly entitled to your opinion however wrong it may be. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
62. I have to say |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. There's one where I work right now. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. so by your own words, you're creating your own victimhood here, and wallowing in it? |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Where did I say that? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. "he is still creating a hostile work environment for everyone and me in particular". OUCH |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Are you bullying? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. no, just quoting him. he;s the one who doesn;t think society should do anything about bullies |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. I've seen the same kind |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I hospitalize my tormentor and get arrested - HOW DOES THAT HELP ME? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. In real life you're less likely to be punished for self-defense, too |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Clarifying additions go here |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Look up Tracy Thurman. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. How do they respond to it? (nt) |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. An example would be from a couple of years back: |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. You do whatever works for you. Elective victimization isn't for me. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. this isn't just about you. schools shouldn't be daily reenactments of Lord of the Flies |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
54. stick up for yourself |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. Except that you can be persecuted and held responsible for standing up for yourself. |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
46. So, bullies act out in psychopathic ways, hurt and humiliate others |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
63. Who in the fuck would |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. Bullies and criminals will always be around |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
69. I guess this is why the US has been perpetually at war with someone or about |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
81. it's not that you should be expected to "take assbeatings" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Yes, minimal, like this example: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. The potential repercussions are minimal? You haven't been |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
51. OMG!!!! |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #51 |
71. IMO getting bullies under control should be a top priority at any school. As you say, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. As a Greek friend said a lot of years ago about these "advances" |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. Very well said!!! n/t |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 05:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
92. It does have an undercurrent of victimology to it |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
14. The only thing that will stop a bully is a bloody nose |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Handcuffs work in some situations too; pity schools never consider that |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Like one of the posts in that thread said about that - |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Yeah, tell me about it |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. I think that's a good take. The need to fight back is a given. The how is a bit more complicated. |
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whistler162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. A price list worked fine for me........ |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
17. You can insist on bullies being held accountable AND help those with poor social skills. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Wait . . . . what? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You are correct. I'm sorry. I went in the wrong direction. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
58. Your point is a good one. |
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mentalsolstice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I think I understand what Kitty is saying |
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Dash87 (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. I agree completely. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
37. big problem is, nobody around those being bullied do anything to defend the victims |
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mentalsolstice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. You are so right! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Quite right. From what I've read bullies largely do their torture for their audience. |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
40. It's ridiculous enough that admins often ignore bullying. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. In my house we have one rule - "no hitting" - |
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mrmpa (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
42. You got it so right |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Well, now, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-15-10 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. You know I finally had it and stood up |
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Swagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
48. I was bullied at school..never got over it. I'm 60. |
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Cid_B (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
49. This thread is full of whine.... |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. your post is a big whine |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Plus fucking one! nt |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. How's about I just shoot them like a REAL alpha? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
80. i hear you loud and clear |
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The Uncola (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
50. Bravo!!! |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
52. Something I've noticed, that I haven't seen mentioned, is that bullies rarely |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
59. K&R! Hey, without bullying |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
60. Yes - we need to defend the weak, and hopefully, by example, show them |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
66. K & R nt |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
78. Blaming The Victim has a stronger hold on our consciousness than we want to admit. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
79. you stop becoming a victim when you start kicking some ass |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
82. The victims SHOULD NOT have to defend themselves. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. An undersized kid who can't fight really has no legal options other than adult intervention. |
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ClintonGeo (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
87. School Assault |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-16-10 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
89. Parents, please call the police when your kids are assaulted! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-17-10 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
91. I still think self-defense should be promoted |
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