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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:16 PM Original message |
I have long held that we are better off with a majority that includes Blue Dogs than . . . . . . |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. If and when they get the house. They will lench the WH. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I dunno... |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Obama gives pretty speeches. Isn't that enough? |
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xultar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
110. If you knew how I felt about those pretty speeches... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. So how were things for 8 years under bush? It's not a hypothetical but a simple comparison |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm very sorry, but simply saying "We suck less" isn't going to cut it. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. +100000 |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Perfect. This can't be said enough. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #14 |
57. That's just a simple, meaningless platitude. It doesn't take much effort |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
70. That's just a simple, false dichotomy. Sucking less is not enough. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. I'm sorry, but "They will suck much more" if they win. |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Thats practically the campaign slogan |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #39 |
73. Pathetic, isn't it. n/t |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Sure is. I have said it before and i will say it again. I want Dean back nt |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. Yes |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
44. Well yes, it does cut it, it's the entire point |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
114. "means a whole lot of help to people who wouldn't be getting it otherwise" |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
56. How about, we could suck a whole lot more? Is that what you're advocating for? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
88. Sure it does. If you believe the worst of everyone and that all are evil |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
93. + 1 million..absolutely! eom |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
111. Very true. What kind of marketing is that anwyay? |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
116. Isnt going to cut what? |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Being less evil isn't good enough, when we should be pushing |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
58. It's easy to think like that when things are good. But now is not a time |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
103. Unfortunately, there are always reasons why it's "never the time" |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #29 |
66. And...whatever happened to the "Sternly Worded Letters" from Waxman & Conyers? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
49. That analogy doesn't work, due to the large number of conservative Dems who gave away the store. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Gave away the store? What the heck does that mean? The dems |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
94. yeah? how is it working our for the 15 million unemployed? I know how it is working out |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
115. Wall Street is NOT "The Economy". |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. The time to work to get real Dems elected is in the primary elections |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
96. that is unless your primary vote gets taken away the way ours was in Florida and Michigan! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well if the republicans get into office that is all they will do. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. At what point woud you advise Mr. Brown to stop attempting the kick when Ms. Van Pelt is holding? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
36. that's farking highlarious. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
8. We have to use our leverage on them as strongly as they use it against us |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I can **totally** get behind that. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. they are...and they wonder why we are not feeling it now |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
98. or wonder why they need the VP to fund raise for Blanche Lincoln in Massachusetts. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. I really like that. Beats the theory of "Where does the left have to go?" all to hell. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. We've been appeasing these assholes since |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. Advocating for Democrats to lose and for Republicans to get the majority |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. When you diddle with the famous coffee table of incremental discography . . . |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I understand......You are comfortable biting the bullet, |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Bleat statimus cranialitude fribeaticus homous. Trygerilt politentius dunkilty. Hektert . . . . . . |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Doofus thermidor et un vrai clown qui pue....... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. . |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. LOL! |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. IPOP |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. And they are trying to pick off our progressive committee |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Who is "they"? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. LOL! |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Hardy Har-Har! |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Yeah, people often don't explain themselves |
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TheIdiot (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. maybe all blue dogs... |
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Patriot 76 (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
27. "Real" Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives never stop fighting for what they believe in. |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
28. The Rethugs got rid of their RINO's in the last few elections |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. worked out? |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
84. The same people who identify with the tea party today |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. This is what compromise gets you |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. You may be about to get it your "real" change from the last 20 months..... |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Wrong - Bush "won" Florida due to suppressing the black vote |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. eggsactly. on both points. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I agree with your sentiments that we need Dems who act like Dems..... |
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kickysnana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
71. I was one of four people who showed up at Sen Wellstones |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #35 |
80. +1000 |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
100. It wasn't just black vote supressed..but it was mostly minority voters! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. 200,000 Dems in Florida voted for b*s* |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
99. wrong wrong wrong and wrong! From a Florida registered voter! |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
89. I'd hate to think what life would be like if no one ever compromised |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. There is legitimate compromise and then there is sell out, and shitting on those who brung you! |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
33. "The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-23-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. I understand. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. They were able to cause that harm because of Dems like the Blue Dogs. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:45 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. That's not true. It happened with them. It would have happened without them. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. I understand. I sympathize. I appreciate that you vote solid Dem all the time. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. I can't disagree with a thing you've said and honestly, |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
46. ..and not one damn thing done about media concentration. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. If you've read my posts for any length of time, you know that I see the media as our single ..... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
47. It's a very interesting thought, and I wonder if you're correct even if it's counterintuitive. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
48. It is the same as having spies in your camp.. |
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27inCali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
52. we could afford to lose the majority of blue dogs |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
54. We need to get rid of blue dogs in Democratic districts. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
55. Voters would not appreciate hearings on YOUR list of grievances.. |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
60. I agree Stinky. I'm tired of enabling them by their threats of |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. recommend |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
65. We are better off with true representation in my opinion. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. But in many cases, there is no other choice. Sad but true. n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You can't get true representation until the unwashed can tell a difference. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. No argument here. You're right but some have no choice! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
74. In order to agree with your assertion I have to completely ignore the events in the real world |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You have a very short view of the world, my friend. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Appreciating the real world events and properly prioritizing people |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
75. K & R nt |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
78. I have to agree with you. There were those that said we should tolerate the blue dogs and dinos... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
79. The Democrats lost the DixieCrats and survived. Time to lose the Blue Dogs. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
105. +1, great point. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
81. Blue dogs are from states that woud elect Repubs otherwise. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
101. Explain Amy Klobuchar to me n/t |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #101 |
118. what aspect? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-25-10 10:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. She was shoved down our throats by the DSCC, DNC and the |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
82. I don't want them to hold hearings on those things you list. I want them to focus on the economy. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. You and the vast majority of Americans. Can you imagine what would |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #82 |
106. It will never be over for the Million Iraqi's who lost loved ones..ever, or the soldiers families |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
85. Rec. Arturo Tuscannini said,"We are no good but the others are worse." |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
86. Blue Dogs weaken the entire Party. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
87. Why are those the essential matters? |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
90. That's where I'm at too. They are corroding the party from |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
91. we just can't get to a majority without some of the conservative states and districts |
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joe black (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
95. How about adding to the list |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
97. Oh you will get your wish |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
104. Well it's pretty easy to "compromise" when you know |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. you are 100% correct! and that complicity leads to other corrupt complicity ..or direct crimes |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
108. The Blue Dogs do the work of the pukes while giving the Dems the blame |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
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TheIdiot (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Yup... what's that they say about the devil you know...? n/f |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
113. in other words; you'd prefer Democrats be in the minority |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-24-10 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
117. Maybe Dems no longer want the majority. |
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