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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:09 AM Original message |
Question: Did the left treat Carter the same way it's treating Obama? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. "The left" tried to end the Carter administration during the 1980 primary. nt |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:13 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. ...dang, more to read...how did this happen?! Why would ANYONE want RayGun as president?! |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. They didn't want Reagan. They wanted Ted Kennedy. nt |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So the left voted for RayGun in the general cause they wanted Kennedy? This is gettin weirder by.. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. What makes you think the left voted for Reagan? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. It seems like a person left of Carter got 7% of the liberal vote and that could've been |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
50. Actually many Kennedy supporters voted for John Anderson. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. ...k, I'm convinced that liberals went to candidates further left of Carter. Was Carter THAT bad? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
93. Carter was pretty awful as president. He dragged the party and country to the right. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
115. Too many Dems both left and center just didn't vote in 1980. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. No they didn't. If you want to believe that go ahead though. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. You never heard the term "RayGun democrats"? |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. The Reagan Dems were conservative blue-collar dems usually men--not the left. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:00 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Gottcha, just because they were dem doesn't mean they were liberal...kinda like blue dogs now. Times |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #58 |
106. +1 nt |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
125. Yes. nt |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:35 AM Response to Reply #56 |
86. No true scotsman...blah blah blah |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
68. The only thing I hold against Teddy |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
83. No, the Senatorial "left" did. Others of us in "the left" supported him. eom |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. And how. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
9. ....are you talking about TED Kennedy?! WOW!! Talking about cutting off your nose to spite your face |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. let's make up history to fit a political view shall we? |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
102. Well, I was there. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
108. True |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
73. And its liable to happen with Obama too |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #73 |
91. Maybe Obama should have thought of that before he fucked us on: |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #91 |
113. Sorry you're so disillusioned |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. The Left was very hard on Carter. I was mad at him because he seemed like such a breathe of fresh |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:14 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. So expectations were set high for him also? ...jus seems to be samething different decade |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
4. Carter was done in by the Iranian Hostage Crisis |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Unnn, the left isn't stupid...why would they vote for someone as HORRIBLE as RayGun because of Iran? |
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The_Commonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. The left voted for Reagan? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Or didn't show up to vote, RayGun didn't loose by 5000 votes like Bush did... |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
32. I voted for Kennedy in the primary. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
112. 500,000 votes, not 5000! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. This Lefty voted for John Anderson |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Ahhhh, so there's where that 7% went.... |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. If you say it often enough it will become true for you LOL |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I like facts, ...John Anderson pull 7% of the left vote that year and another pulled aroud 2 but th |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. the left didn't vote for Reagan - the wealthy centrists did |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. It looks like they voted for Anderson by more than 5% |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
98. which still was not enough to tip the election |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. bitter racists voted for Reagan |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
99. that may account for Reagan's narrow victories in Alabama and Arkansas |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
121. Yep.. they set Carter up. Back door deals with Iran |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
127. There was also a daily editorial in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, I believe, |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
11. It was an interesting year, 1980. Dem county chairs knew that trouble |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. If the left showed up for Carter he would've won, I just don't see why ANYONE would want RayGun as.. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. The breakdown for that race gave John Anderson c. 6 or 7 percent, |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. "Carter administration's refusal to align with traditional liberal constituencies"...Hmmm, I've read |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Carter lost the electoral college in a massive landslide, although he |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Tax wise RayGuns regressive tax policies hurt the middle class to this day. I susspect folk didn't.. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. It's hard to say if they gave Reagan's political posture any thought at all, |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Ah...thank you so much for your insite. It also looks like Carters ground game was missing where as. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I could be wrong, but it seems to me the GOP these days has their |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Pawlenty might be an option for them nationaly if he keeps his mouth shut but he would NEVER win the |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
103. Carter was too honest...and it made him seem like a downer |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Reagan = Palin doesn't work |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
60. Your right, Palin is enept were RayGun could at least learn his lines. What about Rand Paul? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
66. Why don't you find one narrative and stick with it? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. My replies in conelogical order have been consistent and as I stated in OP I was too young to know.. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
109. What are you talking about? We have people right here everyday spouting Reagan philosophies. nt |
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wial (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. no, Carter was deeply annoying |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. ...so the left voted for RayGun instead?! WTF!? RayGun was HORRIBLE!! His policies affect ME |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Where do you get this horseshit? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. You never heard the term "RayGun democrats"? I have but again I was too young to remember |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:02 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Those would be people we call "Centrist Democrats"... DUH! |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. ...I said as much in my post, the left voted 7% & 2% for candidates further left of Carter. It seems |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Revisionist history on a political forum. Who'd of thought? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
41. Ronnie campaigned in code |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
81. ...damn, do you know of a book to describe that time? So interesting to read some details about... |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. Book? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
70. The "far left" as people like to call them, will vote for Obama in the end |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #70 |
79. kew, ...another RayGun or Bush seems scary to say the least. |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
16. The establishment |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Unnn, I never said the left wanted trouble at all...I just asked if they treated Carter this way and |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. The left voted for Carter |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
84. right, someone mentioned up top that there were "blue-collar" or blue dog dems at that time |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
126. It's an old song |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
61. deleted |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
18. When Carter was in office the dems were still firmly in charge of the house & the senate |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
21. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Inflation did him in n/t |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. UE rate got WORSE with RayGun |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
96. Unless you were a mind-reader in 1980... |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
23. Carter |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
25. Ted Kennedy 1980 nt. |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
30. President Carter was the first President I can remember clearly, so here's my take... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:30 AM Response to Reply #30 |
85. Yes, people wanted to "feel good" about the nation ... that ushered in Reagan. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
31. You're blaming Reagan on the left? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
72. No, I only asked if the left treated Carter this way...I didn't define "this way" I'm letting ... |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. ...But it's quite clear what you were talking about |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Unnn, I might have but I don't recall of the top of my head...perhaps it's been another poster? TIA |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
33. Barry Commoner was 1980's Ralph Nader |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Commoner ran a focused, issues-directed campaign but got |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #33 |
95. What states went to Reagan instead of Carter due to Commoner being on the ballot? |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #95 |
118. OK, I was wrong |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. WOW...A DUer admitting they made a mistake. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
114. Reagan 50.7%, Carter 41%, Anderson 6.6%, Clark 1%, Commoner .27% |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. so the 2 people I know who voted for him |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
37. My father, a die hard Democrat, grew to abstolutely detest Carter |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Why was he seen as weak an ineffectual? RayGun was such...he double SS tax to pay for military |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. This was before anybody had Reagan to compare Carter against |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
82. gottcha |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
47. Worse. Actually among Dems even on the so-called left--Obama is quite popular |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
76. Yeap, that's a common theme in replys that Carter never throw the left enough bones to fend off... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
64. Did Carter treat the Left the same shitty way Obama has? |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. ....so don't vote or vote against Carter and get RayGun....Nose meet knife no? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:17 AM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Obama is basically a Reagan Democrat. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:21 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. I disagree with most of your characterization of Obama but regardless of how you feel IF... |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Kinda a silly choice |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Stop with this simple-minded characterization...gee, it could be WORSE... |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. Carter was and still remains *A Man Of The People.* |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
90. The centrist Democrats voted for raygun over Carter. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
94. The left shoots itself in the foot refusing to admit the right wing exists |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
97. LOL. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. And about 6 years ago they returned to the Democratic Party |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #97 |
110. Exactly! nt |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
101. My take and I was there too |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. That's how I remember it. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #101 |
111. Carter was the FIRST Democrat.... |
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116. Dynamics of 1976 vs 1980 were interesting |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-27-10 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
104. Not just the left |
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107. the left is very supportive of Obama |
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119. "The Left" supported Ted Kennedy! |
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120. The left is notorious for eating its own. |
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123. The fact that Carter was primaried is what led to his loss. |
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124. You should read Robert Parry's articles on the October Surprise |
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