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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:52 PM Original message |
The New York Times' Muslim problem |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. My question is.... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Why does it have to be a "major world religion" before they get immunity from mockery? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It was pertinent to the topic. But defamation for its own sake is stupid in any case. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. "An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Who benefits if we all tiptoe around in fear of upsetting religious fanatics? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Who benefits by inciting an entire group just to get at a few? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If you can drive someone into the "terror camp" by making fun of a religious figure.. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It's easier than you think. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. No, it's not so easy when you don't have a lot of irrational beliefs.. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Islam is not on trial here. Bigotry and defamation are. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. So executing someone due to their religious beliefs is not bigotry? |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Thats what extremists do. You are advocating defaming the rest. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. It's the Saudi government that's executing the man.. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Muslims carry a wealth of diverse opinions. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. You don't need to get personal.. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And this moral discretion should be used to make sure no one is threatened with death? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. "Moral"??! Threatening people with death and you want to talk about free speech |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I never said it was moral to threaten someone's life. Not sure where you got that. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. You are equating moral discretion with "free speech" |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You couldn't be more wrong. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Uhm, you said that critique was somehow a lack of "moral discretion" nt |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Uhm, I certainly did not. Please don't mischaracterize my posts. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Exactly the point of the OP and exactly what we are debating. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. That's your opinion. You should be more discerning about your intent. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Apparently you do need to get personal.. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Well, actually we have gotten other major world religions that way |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Free speech is great. Defamation and slur for their own sakes, is not. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Drawing a picture of a man who died 1400 years ago is not a slur or defamation. |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. It is if the believers say it is, What's so hard about understanding that? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #28 |
40. No, it's not. Believers don't get to set behavior standards for non-believers. |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. another historical figure |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. What Billy Graham has to do with the topic is anyone's guess |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. No doubt you're anybody, let's have a guess?! (n/t) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Not sure I get your meaning here. |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. well I was hoping to be somewhat subtle |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
42. Who gets to decide whether it is defamation and slur? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Failing to point out stupidity is immoral. |
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Snazzy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. yea LeftyMom (nt) |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:21 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. You're trying to put Islam on trial again. A non starter, and outside of the OP |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Defamation would involve falsehood deliberately intended to malign. |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. does invading and occupying one of their holiest cities fall under the category of... |
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