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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 01:59 PM Original message |
Promising cancer treatments always seem to disappear |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
1. They don't want a cure. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. That's cause they don't have families and are immortal. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. that's because they make more money on chemo. Trust they have the cure for themselves. nt |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
100. You think that pharma companies have a super-secret cancer cure reserved for executives? |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. CORPORATIONS WILL KILL US. THEY ARE A CANCER |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. There are some here who want to believe scientists control |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
38. People are ignorant of science and believe anything they read |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Celebrex was tried on humans. It's not a "cure". It's a treatment. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. I thought I was the only one who believed that! Great minds think |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
2. I had never known that About Celebrex. good to know. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. DMSO is traditionally used on race horses as an anti-inflammatory. |
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vanboggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. I can buy it to put on my horse |
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ohheckyeah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. I buy it at the Health Food Store. |
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GaYellowDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
111. That's because... |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Drug companies don't make money off cures. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Demonstrably false. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. But if there is an inexpensive treatment no one is going to shout about it. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
59. Yes, money shapes decisions and often in bad ways |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
82. Good points. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
125. There is a conspiracy to block low cost cancer treatments |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
126. No, its true |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. That doesn't even pass the common sense test. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Just like antidepressants. After a chemical alternative to banned Tryptophan |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. It makes perfect sense to me. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Lucian, the 9-11 truther movement makes sense to you. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Well, yeah. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Right, the chemotherapy either cures the cancer, or the patient dies. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. We could argue this for hours... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Lucian, you already lost the argument,. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I didn't lose anything. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. LOL |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
90. Yes, they would be making money |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. That really would depend on whether the cure comes from a substance |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Well, first they'd have to prove that it cured cancer. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
73. once you cure someone's cancer... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. I understand the argument. It's just a ridiculously stupid argument. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
97. yet you can't explain why! nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
99. No, I already have. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Ricky Simpson says he has a cure.... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Rick Simpson's a fraud. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. and we know this because you say... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. Evidence? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. that does not make Simpson a fraud! nt |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Yeah, it pretty much does. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. no it pretty much does not! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Remind me not to ask you for any information on anything scientific |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. You think posster is out to mislead you intentionally? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I'm sure their intentions are good |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. I just think it's a conspiracy. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. I wonder the same things. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
57. Thank you. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
6. Usually it's because the initial promise didn't pan out |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The two cases I referred to did pan out. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Correction: Celebrex is goo-gable now. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. Google Lodamine- nothing since 2008. It was tweaked to avoid side-effects and to allow oral dosing. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. My first lesson came with something called thymosin |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Animal trials notwithstanding, funding is a major problem |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. Animal trials versus human trials (and $$$) |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Both cases I referenced were tried on humans. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. No, they weren't. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Which "recent" are you referring to? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Mostly Mark Levine's work. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Phase one trial back in 2009: |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Well then there you go. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Yup. |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
15. Ironically we know how to prevent cancer. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Considering genetics is a risk for many forms of cancer, I don't think we're anywhere near being |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. That's because cancer treatments are never as promising as their promoters claim. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The ascorbic acid treatment is highly promising. Not profitable though. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Sure it is, if you can find a new use for vitamin c, you can patent that use of it. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Interesting. |
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Archae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
24. There is no "conspiracy." |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. This OP and much of the thread is nearly useless and misleading |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. So you feel that we are putting enough money into promising treatments. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. From your OP, I couldn't find that complaint |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. There is an evolution in the thread. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. It another thread, you're just positing a straight forward tinfoil conspiracy. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. No I didn't. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #48 |
71. Vitamin C has done poorly in more controlled tests |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. No. Read this. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I my experiences researching cancer stuff for dying loved ones... |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Thank you. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. That's possible, but people don't quit smoking at random |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Is it possible that nicotine, or tobacco itself are anti-oxidants? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
29. Yep - they want EVERYONE to die of cancer. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Did you know about the two treatments in my op? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
87. Ten thousand people in on the coverup. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. lol. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
83. Big Pharma doesn't really care if you live or die and in fact, probably |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Please, tavalon - |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. I was not speaking of a vast conspiracy, I was saying that |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. OK... |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
32. Cancer survival rates continue to rise. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. That's good to hear. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Lack of funding. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Five. Pull another five from defense. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
74. I look forward to the day we can argue over where the military budget cuts |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. We can only dream about it. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
34. I treat my cancer using leeches. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. Uh, if we can't find the Celebrex "miracle" on Google, |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. googling "celebrex lung cancer" brings up a lot of stuff |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. It goes back to 2002. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. And here is what I am referring to: |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Fair enough. I thought it new for that reason. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Thank you. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
91. it was the first of a particular type of trial |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Hi |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
69. It's because most "promising cures" are shown not to work in the end. |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. And sometimes the drug does work, but presents other problems. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-25-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
80. here's some studies... |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 04:04 AM Response to Original message |
96. ain't no money in curing cancer . . . |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-26-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. precisely! nt |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
103. And why do they always vanish? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. What, do you suppose, causes AIDS? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. stay on topic! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. The topic is loony conspiracy theories. |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. the topic is... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Yes, and that's been debunked many times. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. REALLY!!!!??? |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. denial is not debunking! |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
119. Vitamin C didn't save my ex GF or my friend's GF, or my father |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
120. some studies.... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
121. There is no magic bullet for cancer |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. did you try the concentrated oil... |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I had Marinol |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-27-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. cool... |
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