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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:41 PM Original message |
baby girl dies after being left in car overnight |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. Och. 7 months old. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. IMHO. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
95. Quite possible is the right answer. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. i know when our babies where little, we had such a routine. if the unusual |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. I can't imagine ever just "thinking" my husband had my baby. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'd think one would have to be really really sleepy to not realize a family |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Both parents work two jobs and they had a baby. That's an awful lot to juggle. n/t |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. 4 jobs between them and two kids... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. No excuse. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Prison is nothing compared to having a baby die. n/t |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Then it should be easy for them. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Fortunately the people on the jury won't have already made up their minds |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. No, they'll hear "left in the car for 12 hours" and make up their minds. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
115. Unlike you, I believe that jurors should not make up their minds |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
188. Just wondering if you have children. I would guess you don't. n/t |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #188 |
223. How long do you leave yours in the car? |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #223 |
236. I will just assume i was correct in my assumption. n/t |
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StarlightGold (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
81. Agree completely |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #81 |
218. +1 |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. No matter how careful you are, there are risks of mistakes... |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:22 PM Original message |
Why prison? Do you honestly think people will go around thinking |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
53. proteus babysat his or her nephew once |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Try for a year straight. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
142. It is so easy to feel smug and superior. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. yup |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Smug? Superior? |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
202. Well I'm an expert, laugh at me. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
58. The only victim is the dead child. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
105. If the child was deliberately left in the car, then that would be child neglect. |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #105 |
118. This is so sad and sleep deprivation *is* real... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
139. Excuses. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
167. Wow. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
121. Hedgehog...You should be commended for speaking out in this forum. Let me tell you a story.. |
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Daemonaquila (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. There's even a better safety method - |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:57 PM Response to Reply #125 |
144. Birth control sometimes fails. Or are you suggesting they should have had an |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #125 |
157. That is a non-response and non-solution to a very real problem.. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. That would be a GREAT shower gift. I'll have to remember that next time. |
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BobbyBoring (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #121 |
174. I'll vouch for that! |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
193. I have heard it suggested that car seats should have a weight sensor to prevent these incidents. |
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tinymontgomery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
65. Prison |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
110. "the state" won't take "care" of them, a rapist will |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #22 |
92. If they're white, it'll be determined that they've "suffered enough" |
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unabelladonna (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. it has nothing to do with being white.. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Check outcomes of baby-left-car stories |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
108. yeah it's america we burn witches here |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #108 |
128. No excuses |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #108 |
138. Guess what honey. It already happened. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
155. Right... because they just haven't suffered enough. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
178. Yeah, that would be great for the other child. Plus, what would they learn? |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
112. If Daddy can afford a gym membership |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. These cases almost always make me think someone got tired of being parents |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. Dupe delete oops |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:49 PM Response to Reply #112 |
141. Some jobs give employees gym memberships as a benefit. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:21 AM Response to Reply #9 |
231. And yet they still find the time (and money) to go to "the gym" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I remember that my husband and I went slightly nuts during the 1st six months |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Could 12 hours have passed with you not knowing where the baby was? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. In 12 hours, most babies that age need to eat at least once. |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
79. try three or four times |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. At seven months, most babies can go 4-6 hours, so I was estimating |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
164. And what about their 2 year old screaming for breakfast, too? nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #164 |
172. Seriously. The older child has been put in protective care |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
169. Not a 7 month old. An infant? Yes, but a 7 month old |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. Can you imagine a 7 month old in the same diaper for 12 hours? I can't. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. My 19 month old slept til 8:45 Saturday morning. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #177 |
182. Wow! You must have been in heaven! |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. 8:45 used to be early!! lol! |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
163. Agreed. I don't buy this story simply for that reason. NO way that 2 babies |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. My thought too. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yeah, Even with my darn cats, if I don't see them for a few hours I check |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. Wait...you don't have kids? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Well, maybe you can get those two in the OP to babysit yours. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #64 |
170. Because someone disagrees with you about the punishment, that |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Maybe there is more to this story than is being reported right now, but I can't understand |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
101. sounds like perhaps each thought the other had the baby. |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
66. There was a similar story on DU 4-5 years ago... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
133. there is a story like this on DU every year because it happens every year. it will happen again |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. IIRC, people need memory prompts for babes/toddlers in the back seat. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. On what planet. |
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Daemonaquila (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
127. Only if they're unfit parents. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #127 |
179. That's like saying we wouldn't need cops if everyone just followed the law. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
165. That's not the part of the story that gets me. It's that their 2 babies let them sleep |
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Love Bug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Every time I hear about this kind of thing I wonder if there |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. And when I hear about this sort of thing |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. There are a number of them on the market. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Sounds like a great idea for an invention, but could the time be |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
124. There are such devices. See my post, upthread, and others here... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. I do not know how you can "forget" a baby... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Also...how could the father swing off to the gym, mom's still asleep, without peeking in on |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. That's the detail that seems off to me |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
200. Honestly, |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #200 |
227. then why would the Mom think Dad was taking care of the baby? |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
82. Dad works two jobs |
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unabelladonna (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
93. well, he had to go to the f--king gym |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. On the other hand, if he sat on his ass all day at his two jobs |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. It's possible, but the workplace is brutal as we know...so I just gave up... |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:38 PM Response to Reply #106 |
134. a lot of parents of babies work out by taking a walk with their baby |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #106 |
140. "Aren't parents encouraged to make time for themselves?" |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
195. Exactly. That's what really gets me. People here are defending |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
208. because, he sounds like a DINA |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. It's possible--I did it once. |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
196. Yeah, but that was only for a few minutes. This was |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Jesus H. Christ... |
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Soulis (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Yeah, me too! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. What a strange story. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. it is very strange. It's the 14 hour time lapse that's weird. 14 hours with neither parent |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Yes, I'm trying to think back to our kids' baby days, and I just can't |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Baby was already 7 mos old. I can see forgetting a really new baby |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. At that age a few minutes of quiet would have left me wondering what was being destroyed. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. LOL--have two boys. Silence meant something truly bad was happening. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. yep. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Seriously! |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:10 PM Response to Reply #32 |
98. Same here...had two kids, and silence, unless during the night... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
180. That is true. My kids are 4 and 5 and silence means they are tearing apart the house. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. #2 son started walking at that age. I was twitchy until he turned 14. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Mine did too. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Nick is 32 now. He is my nice thing. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
171. No, quiet means something is up FOR SURE. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. I suppose the baby was sleeping in her car seat at 11:30...but yeah, a |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. Both parents work two jobs each. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. To each other, maybe But the mom/baby bond should have kicked in |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. it kicked in, for this mom, after 12 plus hours |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Working two jobs, dead tired, thinks daddy has the kid and trusts daddy... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I didn't say it was unusual but that I couldn't imagine it |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Which simply shows she has absolute trust in her husband, who she |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I think I was too neurotic to absolutely trust anyone with my kids until |
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NotThisTime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
77. I trusted my husband with my little babies, trusted him implicitly. If I knew he had them he had |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I know my husband, no matter how I felt or thought |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:30 PM Response to Reply #29 |
103. The father in the story had time in his schedule (and budget) to go to a gym and work out |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
11. We accidently left our dog in the car overnight once (in the driveway) |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's too bad people don't forget to go to work instead. There's no excuse for forgetting a baby. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. Prison, both of them. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Or maybe subpar mentally? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Most young working couples have to make those decisions. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
25. If they have one car--they can't remember who was the last to drive it? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. When my son was that age I got a little edgy if I didn't hear him for a few minutes. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
42. Why the hell are both parents working two jobs apiece? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I agree with you up to a point, Warpy. But isn't it an adult's job |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Unfortunately, business doesn't give a shit |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Sure. I was overtired from July 31, 1974 until sometime in the mid 80s. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. Yes, but it's also an adults job... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Right. And one I made for years so the situation isn't unfamiliar. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
90. what is unbelievable to me is that the time lapse that they didn't see their own baby intheir own |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
137. And you know this is the case here HOW? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #137 |
158. Common sense. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
213. Sorry, but nope. They weren't too exhausted to stay up til 3:00 a.m. or to go to the gym |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Societal expectation - |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. You don't know about that gym membership |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. That's a hell of a health plan - |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. The gym I belong to costs $10/month |
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xynthee (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
119. Or they could have signed a contract back when times were better. |
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Still Blue in PDX (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
86. The work/life balance benefit my employer gives covers gym membership. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. It's not that it's so much easier to blame the parents.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. I think there must be a kind of numbness that descends on parents |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Yeah, and it's a good thing kids are so cute when they're little |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. You got that right! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. You're right |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. I don't feel smug. Mostly I wonder how I managed never to do anything like this. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. No kidding, but they'll still get punished |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #91 |
148. They lost their child and it was their fault. Nothing worse can ever happen to them. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
147. It is much more comforting to think we ourselves could never make such a ghastly mistake. |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
104. To pay for his gym membership? |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
113. Good point. n/t |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
135. considering the dad had time to go to a gym maybe they weren't that tired |
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greenbird (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. Something in this article jumped out at me. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I work one job and I don't have time for the gym. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. To be fair, for some people the gym is a stress-reliever and sanctuary of sorts. |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. I just don't get how he didn't see a baby in the back seat |
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Still Blue in PDX (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
83. I work 2 jobs and 65 hours a week and was told by my doc to carve out time for exercise. |
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unabelladonna (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
84. i don't understand how this happens |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
97. and i can totally understand. and i was hyperaware, overprotective. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
107. four jobs for two parents |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
111. Parental Exhaustion Is Often the Case When Something Like This Happens |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:00 AM Response to Reply #111 |
146. I remember once I babysat for a baby when both parents were home |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #146 |
159. I Believe It |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
114. overly tired one day I was driving on my way to work |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
117. What would cause a baby to die in a car overnight in Antioch, CA? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. more than overnight... didn't find her till about 2pm the next day. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
161. I think the autopsy will discover the real cause... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #161 |
183. But it won't reveal the state of the parents that night. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. I think what I was driving at was that if foul play was involved it would |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #187 |
203. Both of them and both children? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #203 |
209. Of course, that is it right there! |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
120. more from the article: "Avoiding tragedy" |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Seems to be a lot of these kinds of situations... |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:34 AM Response to Reply #126 |
153. Airbags on the front passenger side are a fatality risk (nt) |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #126 |
199. Too dangerous with airbags. An airbag could kill an infant easily. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
123. Really, REALLY stupid parents. |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
131. WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT? |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:35 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. "video game enthusiast". They can blot out the world for hours |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #132 |
152. I think you just hit the nail on the head. |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-19-10 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
136. Gene Weingarten's 2010 Pulitzer Prize |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:04 AM Response to Reply #136 |
151. Heartfelt thanks for posting this... |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #136 |
194. powerful story. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
149. OMG |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
154. Clearly there are many on DU who can't fathom making such a mistake |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #154 |
162. It's not the mistake I can't fathom. It's that 2 babies would let their parents sleep |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #154 |
205. This wasn't one mistake. This was more than 12 hours |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
156. Awful. It's hard for me to have any sympathy for these people. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #156 |
166. Neither do I. My babies certainly never let me sleep until 2:00 p.m. I smell a rat. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #166 |
184. drugs or video gaming or posting on DU...that will keep U up late |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #184 |
206. When I had two kids under three, NOTHING could have kept me up til 3am |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
160. I don't buy it. The dad of a 2 year old and a 7 month old doesn't wake up til NOON??? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #160 |
185. Your point is well taken. We've mostly been talking about this story |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. Yep. And we've mostly been talking about it just in terms of the first "mistake" |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
168. both parents work two jobs |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. No matter how many jobs the parents work, those babies would NOT let them sleep til noon and 2:00. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #176 |
198. That IS the weirdest part of the story. Even going to bed late, they should |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. Exactly. Another thing. If the parents were so exhausted how the hell did they stay up til 3:00 |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #176 |
232. each parent thought the other parent had the baby |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #232 |
233. Seems like YOU"RE the holier-than-thou one here. Those parents stayed up until 3:00 a.m. |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. welcome to ignore "buddy" |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. Well bless your heart. You accuse folks of being holier-than-thou and then run away |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
173. This is beyond awful. Poor child. I think we need more details though. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #173 |
181. Besides that, the babies themselves wouldn't let the parents sleep that late. |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #173 |
190. It does seem strange especially with a baby, they didn't check on her |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Now I just wonder about what those final moments for the baby were like. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #190 |
192. More details on the timeline, baby was 'light sleeper', so wasn't parent's practice to check on her |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #192 |
197. On what planet do parents of 2 babies, 2 and under, stay up until 3:00 a.m.? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Antioch is the meth capital of the SF Bay Area. n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #204 |
214. That could certainly explain it. nt |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #197 |
217. And how did they forget they had a baby for the 3.5 hours they were still up? |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. I agree. There are WAY too many "mistakes" here. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #192 |
211. WAY too much assuming going on with those parents |
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Boudica the Lyoness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
207. Sleep deprivation is real BUT |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
210. This article says they didn't get to bed till 3 am |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. Apparently they forgot about the baby until 2:00 p.m. the next day. |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #215 |
220. What I meant is, they didn't go to bed till 3 am. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #220 |
222. You would think so, wouldn't you? Normal parents would have. nt |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
212. OMG the poor baby |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #212 |
229. Exactly. While so many are focused on parental blame, or not, |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
216. don't babies left in the car for long die of heat ? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #216 |
221. The baby was left in that car from 11:30 pm to 2pm the next afternoon. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. but how about before that time ? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Imo, it was the heat of the morning. It wasn't cold overnight. n/t |
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wysingm (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
226. Drugs? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. Weed doesn't knock you out for 12 hours. |
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mamaleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:12 AM Response to Original message |
230. Something is not right with these parents. |
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athenasatanjesus (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
237. Human beings that live like machines end up making glitches like machines. |
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