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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:12 PM Original message |
Poll question: Do American citizens deserve due process and a trial before being executed? |
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change_notfinetuning (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not if a professor of constitutional law says they do not, right? n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. You're not asking the right question. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. How anyone can make such a claim after the HUNDREDS of times |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Because it's a more accurate question |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's not more accurate. Your revision assumes exactly what can't be assumed, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. It is more accurate |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. If I told you Hugo Chavez "had knowledge" that required the assassination |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. That's funny |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. We are taking about extrajudiical executions. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. "you have to have faith in some stuff" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
92. When did we get so free with the very lives of other human beings? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #92 |
123. not reasonable at all |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
122. Right... |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
164. like Mr. Arar? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
167. what a bunch of hooey. if they have evidence, let them present it at trial. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Original message |
is it accurate to use the innocuous term "bad buy"? Making it sound like someone who just happens |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
53. What about you? Would you like to have a trial before you're shot? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
106. Exactly. Why not just let the executive branch of every level of government deal with |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
50. What do you mean "No One" agrees? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Sorry, no |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Yes it is the right question |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
75. If your answer to your replacement question is "yes," |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
108. The OP didn't qualify "American" with "innocent". It's a post about process, regardless of guilt. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. And the answer to that is yes, they do. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. The answer's still yes, of course. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. And the answer to that would be YES. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Article 3, Section 3 |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Fail. In order for it to be "treason", there has to be a TRIAL. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. And they don't. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. "If the US could prove that Awlaki is a “direct participant” in a conflict" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Not "would", we are. n/t |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
160. You can have a trial for someone not present - if you have evidence |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
124. Epic fail. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
154. Article 3, Section 3 refers to the judiciary NOT the executive. |
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zorahopkins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. "Known Terrorists?" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Or, have been lied to. This isn't even about Obama. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
113. It's not a problem only when an official is corrupt (e.g., lies). It's a problem |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. Yes, they do. Easy. n/t |
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underseasurveyor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. Then ask yourself this. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
102. That's not the right question at all. Determining who is and who is not a "known terrorist" is |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
112. So they are guilty with no chance to prove innocence? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
119. Amazingly for you, the answer is still yes. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
131. I dont think executed is the right word when the orders are capture or kill |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
153. "Known"? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
163. So, we only respect the law and due process, the Bill of Rights |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Wanted: Dead or Alive |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Smoke 'em out! |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. Unless they are enemy combatants who are actively fighting against the US. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. This rather misses all the important distinctions. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Especially since Obama gets the credit. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. You realize that it has yet to be proven that this individual |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
37. By what standards? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. It has not been shown that he has been involved in any act of war. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
89. If the government had determined that... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. Really? Like Maher Arar wasn't involved in making war against the United States? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Arar was detained for two weeks |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. I'm very sorry, j, but that's wrong. Arar was not "detained for two weeks". |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. By the US, yes he was |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. That's pretty disgusting. You have a good day. n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Thank you |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
88. It has yet to be "proven" in any instance of use of deadly force in police situations |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. There are those who fully endorse option #2 but won't say so for obvious reasons |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. An absolute YES. To say otherwise is to put every American citizen in the position of being |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Do you believe that cops should carry guns? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Who was he shooting at? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
48. It's the same concept. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. He was involved in a shootout? I didn't know that. n/t |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #48 |
117. Who was he shooting at? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. Gunman firing indiscriminately at the public? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. Yes, tell him to stop, and then begin jury selection immediately from any victims still standing |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
100. Sorry... Our System Does Not Allow For Victims Of A Crime To Be Jurors In That Same Crime... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. Push poll for the win. Put this on your resume when you apply for polling companies. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. This isn't a fucking Gallup poll. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. That's not true |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Yes it is. Is the "other side" allowed a voice in our polls? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. That isn't the definition of push poll. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. How would you word it to meet your standards? |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. He has already stated it |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Please point out where I even used the word Muslim in this thread. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
125. My bad... I was responding to the wrong perp. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Do you really want to know? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. I hear ya. |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
16. Due process for everyone |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
76. That is my view as well. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Only if it's convenient to the executors and those ordering the executions. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. When the day comes that we allow our government to execute citizens without due process |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. Exactly Lyric... Exactly !!! |
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neverforget (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
158. That and they fail to see how this can be abused under this or the next president. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
23. Remember Gettysburg? The Union soldiers would hold trials |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. THere is no war on our soil. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. Not all of us deserve it, but it is imperative that we get it. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
30. none of the above. No one should ever be executed imo. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. Depends, are they calling for my countries downfall through violent means? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Wouldn't that standard put most RW radio hosts on the list? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Yes, when we first started talking about this here on DU |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. We do it for us, not for them. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Well, one couldn't really answer your question |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I think I can tell the difference between Osama Bin Laden and |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. But in real life the distinctions |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
34. I like how you use "bad guy", thereby downplaying facts. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. Comment from a non-US citizen who doesn't live in the US |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
149. Some reading for you: |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
38. All humans deserve some sort of 'due process and a trial' |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Even Karl Rove? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
72. He was incubated in an egg chamber on a distant planet in another solar system |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
91. Yes, he should avail himself of one /nt |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
42. To the people answering "OTHER"--I admire your courage. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
61. Other: the situation is more complex than presented in the poll |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
65. Of course |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
68. jesus if this was Bush, this would have a hundred rec's.... |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Yep... |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
73. The poll doesn't have an answer that works for me. |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. As a non American, I am bothered by your attitude |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. So you believe him to be innocent? |
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protocol rv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. I didn't see the "jerk" on trial |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. You're wrong because you oppose the rule of law with the lives of people |
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Dr Morbius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. Ah. A pretty good answer. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. The thing is, we don't know if the jerk continues, more Americans die. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
134. "Historically inept" |
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mochajava666 (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
77. Absolutely. |
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Beacho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
82. When he surrenders peacably, he'll get his due process |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. There is no reason for this individual to surrender, he's not been CHARGED |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Neither was the Washington state cop killer |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. Yes, *formally* people are charged at their arraignment. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Then he would be best advised to get himself arraigned. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. I missed the part in your comparison where you point to a crime in progress. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #110 |
118. No, I'm not syaing that |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
84. If he can be apprehended he'll be brought to trial. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
87. Can Cops Shoot Bank Robbers? |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
93. the cleric is no longer a citizen |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Oh, well. Then it's all right to just kill the guy. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #93 |
127. Under what legal basis? |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
96. At first blush, my gut response is "of course they do." Then I get to thinking about real life... |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
115. The critical issue is the reason for the death. If a cop shoots a suspect only because she |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. How is this different? Seems that the concept of taking him alive isn't off the table, but |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
129. That's why FBI wanted posters say just wanted not dead or alive |
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Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. Isn't that essentially what the directive is? I haven't seen anything that |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Oh I was responding to your specific post, not the topic in general. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
114. not sure what you mean by "deserve"? |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
121. Absolutely, yes. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #121 |
135. do you believe that the Constitution "absolutely" bars the use of deadly force against someone |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
138. Of course not. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. the poster I was addressing used the word "absolutely" not me |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. The big difference being... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. why couldn't the estate of al-Alwaki bring an action claiming his due process rights were denied |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Who would his family sue? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #144 |
151. the use of sec 1983 suits is a common way of addressing the issue of whether |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #151 |
155. So his family would sue the person who shot him? |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Dupe. nt |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
126. WRONG FRAME: it's not about what citizens deserve; it's about what the GOVERNMENT deserves |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. Geezus, thank you. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:09 PM Response to Reply #126 |
156. Yep. That's it! |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 11:20 PM Response to Reply #156 |
162. nothing i wasn't taught in high school |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
128. The hilarious thing here are all the people on DU who assume guilt all the time |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. the distinction is usually obvious and stark, and with good reason |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #137 |
143. Were Bonnie & Clyde's Rights Violated |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:05 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. not familiar enough with the details |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. I agree with you |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #147 |
150. in the moment, yes, i'd permit the police to make that determination |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. there also is civil liability for denying someone their constitutional rights |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #150 |
168. Good points |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:40 AM Response to Reply #143 |
165. The killing of Bonnie & Clyde was a horrific act of vigilantism. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:11 PM Response to Reply #128 |
157. People will express an opinion but they are barred from exacting "justice"... |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
136. That's what "due" means. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
145. We Have These Laws Precisely BECAUSE We Might Be the Next "Bad Guy" |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
148. They should get a reasonable chance to turn themselves in first |
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deaniac21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
159. This is dumb. You don't give enough information to even know |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 02:49 AM Response to Reply #159 |
166. What other kind of information are you looking for? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
161. Yes and so do other people |
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