Environmentalists protest at NASCAR race

[taterguy]

Did anyone watch yesterday's race? When the car sponsored by Dupont won people started throwing stuff on the track.

I guess green NASCAR fans didn't like seeing a win by a company associated with polluting the Earth.

I just don't know if littering is the most effective way to protest pollution.

What do you guys think?

[iconoclastic cat]

1. Somehow, I doubt that it's an effective tactic. nt

[taterguy]

3. Well it does prove a point

I just don't know how well it plays in Peoria

[iconoclastic cat]

41. How many of those protesters drive to work five days a week, all year? nt

[Bluzmann57]

2. I thought it was because NASCAR fans don't like Gordon

But maybe I'm wrong. I know they threw cans and stuff at him two weeks ago when he flew an Earnhardt flag after winning a race.

[Buzz Clik]

4. (come on!)

[BlackVelvet04]

36. You're correct. n/t

[jayfish]

86. That's Part Of It.

That coupled with the way the race ended and a very similar incident that happened after last weeks race. This kind of crap is classless and dangerous to the drivers. Whether it was protesters or haters.

Jay

[SeattleGirl]

116. Fans throw stuff on the track whenever Jeff Gordon wins.

It's mostly Earnhard Jr. fans, who all seem to think he should win every race.

[SpiralHawk]

119. Correctomundo. Not litterbugs. Envious republicon motorhead slobs.

They resent a great driver who beats butt and refuses to think like a republicon True Believing Kool Aid Drinker.

Jealousy --

[DainBramaged]

131. I'D throw shit at Jeffie puke puke if I could get close enough

[taterguy]

132. There's nothing slobby about Motorhead

Sheesh, people accuse me of not knowing what the hell I'm talking about

[Rosemary2205]

5. You goofball - Jeff Gordon won again UNDER CAUTION

Everybody freakin' hates Jeff Gordon and fans are sick to death of the race ending under caution. How anyone could think it had anything to do with "environmental protesters" is beyond me.

Sheesh.

[DainBramaged]

9. 2/3 of the fans WANTED Junior to win on his Dad's birthday

Jeff Gordon is a whiney little brat

[Rosemary2205]

12. You have just insulted whiney little brats everywhere.

And yeah I agree, the mood was all Jr.

I will say something needs to be done about throwing shit out on the track. Eventually someone is going to tag someone in the back of the head with a full beer can at full velocity. That ain't going to be pretty.

[Dawgs]

13. Someone jealous of Gordon winning two races in a row,...

And kicking ass in points?

;-)

[SteveM]

28. Jeeez, don't they remember Foyt? (nt)

[greenbriar]

77. you got it!!! GORDON kicks ass

wish he were mine

[jayfish]

88. The "Race For The Chase" BS Makes It All A Moot Point Though.

I'm kinda feeling what Tony Stewart was talking about last week. That being said, I'm not a Jeff Gordon fan but man he and the Hendrick team are definitely the bomb. I'd be kinda nice to see Jr. bale from DEI and join them.

Jay

[taterguy]

15. I know what I saw

I saw a car with a Dupont paint job being pelted with cans and other debris.

I know that Dupont is associated with environmental attrocities but I don't remember the specific details.

[Buzz Clik]

16. "...but I don't remember the specific details." Thanks, Gonzo.

;)

[taterguy]

18. What does a Muppet show character have to do with this discussion?

Now I'm confused

[Rosemary2205]

17. PLEASE tell me you are being sarcastic and

I'm just too dang stupid to catch it. :)

[DainBramaged]

20. Junior had asked that they throw toilet paper

He said that tp never hurt anybody, until the camera focused on the industrial sized roll on the track. The tp is to mean Gordon is shit.


However, the PoLelice man arrested many of the Gorso protesters for expressing their freedom to protest shit.

[MH1]

23. So you assume the pelters are "environmentalists"???

Whoa. Either I missed something important in this discussion, or....

well I'll leave that blank because I *MUST* have missed something...

[Rosemary2205]

25. I think tater's playing with us

you know, just a little flap on the water to see what fishes come by and take a look. :) :)

[Buzz Clik]

46. Ya think?

[taterguy]

60. I'd be cautious if people were throwing things at me

[Little Wing]

6. *L*

Good one

[MousePlayingDaffodil]

7. Uh, I think you'll find . . .

. . . that the trash-throwing fans weren't protesting against Dupont but expressing their distaste for driver Jeff Gordon who, in winning yesterday's race at Talladega, passed the late Dale Earnhardt on NASCAR's career wins list (yesterday's victory was Gordon's 77th, I believe). Earnhardt had something like 10 victories at Talladega during the course of his career, and Gordon's winning number 77 at that track, on that particular day (yesterday would have been Earnhardt's 56th birthday), wasn't too terribly well received by long-time fans of #3.

So, no, no "environmentalist" protest here.

[Little Wing]

10. What a bunch of troglodytes

Really. Is it Gordon's fault it was on Dale's birthday? Dale's gone, kaput. He made one last right-turn. Time to get over it.

[DainBramaged]

14. NEVER

[DainBramaged]

8. WRONG, Jeff Gordon sucks, are you kidding?

[Buzz Clik]

11. NASCAR fans never miss an opportunity to express their environmental activism.

This guy, for instance, is the president of the Beaudine County (South Carolina) chapter of the Sierra Club. He and his constituents regularly conduct "Save the Forbs" missions by thinning the predators of endangered plant species. (The local Fish and Wildlife commission calls their activity "poaching", but that's because these government appointees hate endangered plant species.)

[madinmaryland]

19. It had NOTHING to do with Dupont.

Jeff Gordon won the race and passed Dale Earnhardt in career wins. DE who died several years ago, was (and still is) one of the most popular drivers in Nascar.

[taterguy]

21. How do you know?

Have you talked to anyone who was throwing things yesterday and aaked them why they were throwing stuff?

[MH1]

24. More to the point - HAVE YOU?

Sheesh.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

26. It's still early

Let 'em get over their hangovers first, then ask 'em. Maybe this afternoon.

Chances are, they threw stuff because they were drunk and saw someone else throw stuff.

[Clark2008]

34. That is probably the best explanation.

:hi:

BTW, my 7-year-old son and NASCAR aficionado says it's because folks don't like Gordon and wanted Jr. to win. He didn't seem to think that too many environmentalists would be at a NASCAR race. :7

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Yeah, we know all NASCAR fans are drunks, eh? n/t

[Buzz Clik]

49. When tater finally confesses that this is a big joke, will you be willing to laugh at yourself?

[Rosemary2205]

52. What I'm wantin' to know is

did tater expect a bunch of Nascar loving yeahooos to come by and look or did he expect all the Nascar hating greenies to come by and look or was he just hoping to get us all in one pond and sit back and watch the fun. :) :)

[Buzz Clik]

56. I'm not sure what he expected...

... but I saw this thread early and thought it was a hoot.

My local Indiana paper had the picture on the front page of their sports section (we get two car races per weekend on radio, and no baseball on radio EVER). I'll confess I don't fully appreciate the dynamics of the reaction to Gordon, but the idea that the fans were throwing TRASH because they were GREEN was a riot.

I was more than amused to see a) the multiple corrections to tater's "interpretation" of the incident and b) the level of frustration that some of the posters were showing.

As far as I can tell, no Greens have checked in to show their support for this civil unrest concerning DuPont.

[BlackVelvet04]

76. Because I responded to an obviously

bigoted comment? Whether or not the OP was a joke, which it probably was, doesn't justify the stereotyping.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. No, of course not. And not all NASCAR fans trash the track.

But I'd bet the fans throwing trash are not among the most sober NASCAR fans.

I suspect a correlation, though I've only been to a few NASCAR races and a handful or two of other motor races.

Great fun, great noise, great scenery. And maybe a bit of food and beer.

[unhappycamper]

30. I make the April Talladega race every year with my son.

As a general rule, the fans are pissed if Junior doesn't win.

They are really pissed if Gordon wins.

All bets are off when Gordon wins under caution at Talladega - I've seen it twice, and it ain't pretty.


Had Gordon skipped the post-race burnout, most of this could have been avoided.

[Monk06]

42. When I get up in the morning I shit excellence.

[taterguy]

45. I'm not interested in your digestive system

And I'm not sure how many other people on this site care what comes out of the morning but thanks for sharing that overly intimate detail of your life.

[Monk06]

48. You obviously have not seen Talladega Nights starring Will Ferrel and John C Reilly.

[taterguy]

57. Wasn't that movie inspired by a Husker Du lyric?

They took the throwaway line "Heroes are living on Wonderbread" and wrote a screenplay based on a hero that lives on Wonderbread.

ps: Did you know that all Talladega races are in the daytime? The title doesn't really make sense.

[Monk06]

62. Ricky Bobby's race sponsor was Wonderbread

[taterguy]

63. Exactly

And he undergoes a journey / spiritual transformation just like the protagonist in Zen Arcade.

And he falls in love with Amy Adams, whose big break was in a movie directed by a big fan of Husker Du.

[Monk06]

66. Hey taterguy you know more about the movie than me. Why the lack of Ha Ha about shitting excellence

[taterguy]

67. Because excellant shit is no laughing matter

Although if more people did that then wastewater treatment would be a lot less expensive and complex.

[Monk06]

68. Well take it up with Ricky Bobby. I'm just the messenger.

[Monk06]

65. The title doesn't really make sense.

It makes sense if your the copyright lawyer
working for Will Ferrel's producer.

[Buzz Clik]

50. I think you've captured the spirit of this thread.

[name not needed]

78. Greatest Generation my ass. Tom Brokaw's a punk!

[jayfish]

92. I Actually Would Have Liked To See Montoya Win.

I little gift for the Alabama faithful. He looked pretty damn good out there too.

On Edit: Were you there when Rusty took his wild ride? My buddy was at that race and said it was one of the craziest things he ever witnessed.

Jay

[SteveM]

You need to prove your affirmative argument and see more NASCAR!

[BeFree]

89. Experiment

To see how your un-numbered post would respond to a reply.

But while I am here let me say this: Those damn in-varmint-alists don't have a clue how fun it is to litter. Hey, it must be fun... there are so very many people who do throw litter.

[SteveM]

31. You need to prove your affirmative argument and see more NASCAR!

[ellenfl]

22. that has nothing to do with the environment. many of the

fans do not like jeff gordon. they are always throwing stuff at him.

ellen fl

[SteveM]

27. Enviros getting in the face of NASCAR fans? Hardly. It's Gordon.

[leftchick]

29. no "green" person would ever be a NASCAR fan

ever. I can not think of a bigger waste of fuel, carbon emmissions and energy.

[SteveM]

33. Not true. I go to NASCAR and probably use less fuel than you. No?

[BlackVelvet04]

38. Bullshit. n/t

[Rosemary2205]

40. I can (think of a bigger waste)

Iraq.

BTW - 2 cup races a year at Atlanta motor speedway brings more money to the metro Atlanta economy (aka jobs and tax revenues) than all of Braves, Falcons, Hawks and Thrashers combined. Do you really think the total energy expended by all those sports games combined is less than 2 races at AMS?

It's going to be damn interesting to see greenies destroy all sports in America because they are a "waste".

[Guitarman]

51. How Much Fossil Fuel is used...

to tote your favorite sports team around from game to game. If we are going to jump all over auto racing for wasting fuel, then we need to be fair about it and get on all sports for the same thing.

[DainBramaged]

129. Private jets waste more fuel than NASCAR

Get your information straight before you make absurd comments.

The garbage truck that picks up your crap wastes more fuel in a month than a NASCAR racer does in a season.

And if you ever sailed on a cruise ship, no bigger waste of energy for "entertainment" exists.

[jmowreader]

32. I had to recommend this one. It's justtoo precious.

Jeff Gordon could drive a car sponsored by a company that made fuel cell membranes, solar panels, energy-conserving housewraps and sewage treatment products, and people would throw things on the track when he won.

Errr...well, DuPont makes all that stuff, so it would have to be ANOTHER megalomaniacal multinational behemoth that had its logo on Jeff Gordon's hood.

[BlackVelvet04]

35. They just don't like Jeff Gordon....

it happens at every race Gordon wins but more so the last two races because of him tying and surpassing Dale Earnhardt, Sr.'s record.

[Patsy Stone]

39. It's a protest against Jeff Gordon.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6733136?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=167
http://nascar.about.com/cs/latestnews/a/tallytrash04.htm

Also, they are beginning to think about running on E85:
http://www.e85safety.com/index.php?/archives/37-Pushing-NASCAR-towards-e85-ethanol.html

And the IRL is already on E85: http://ezinearticles.com/?Fire-Up-The-Still---Lets-Go-Racing-With-NASCAR-and-e85?&id=256745 "The Indy Racing League is already switching to ethanol for the 2007 season with 100% of the cars being powered by ethanol."

Please check The Google next time.

[jmowreader]

44. Boy, THAT's a stretch for the IRL

Indy cars have run on methanol for decades, so they're already set up for alcohol.

The thing is, methanol has 75 percent of the energy of ethanol, so the IRL now has to get Honda (who makes all the IRL's engines) to reduce the fuel flow so as to give the same horsepower.

[Patsy Stone]

58. Every little helps

especially when some are under the impression that this whole sport exists just to piss them off and, of course, to make billions for Halliburton and the "military industrial complex". :eyes:

[cupcake]

43. How many Halliburton cars are out there?

I don't know much about racing (it's too loud and I don't want to think what that noise and smoke does to the wildlife around the tracks)

What I have seen shows the capitalistic greed of the military industrial complex using these cars as a way to indoctrinate impressionable youth into a culture of consumption and destruction.

It's just wrong wrong wrong.

I'll bet that Halliburton has its greedy hooks into these race "teams" but am not sure how.

Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents? I can just see all those evil Republicans running amok in their SUVs and pickup trucks, and they are everywhere. And not just the ones working in auto dealerships. IT specialists, mortgage bankers, restaurant owners, the kind of people who really take advantage of the proletariat.

It makes me sad. :(

[Scout]

59. oh please, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about...

"backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents"

yeah, right, that's Jeff Gordon, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Elliot Sadler, Tony Stewart, Casey Kahne, etc...

maybe you SHOULD learn a little about racing before you post on the subject again...

:eyes:

[cupcake]

69. Maybe you should read the post first.

The question, "Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?" was referring to the people throwing their garbage after the race. It is hardly surprising to see a bunch of intoxicated neandertals behave as such, perhaps you have personal knowledge thereof!

I still find it depressing that in this day and age that killing the planet for the sake of entertainment is so celebrated. :(

[Scout]

72. I did read the post first, duh

""Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?"

Your broad brush insult still does not apply. There are many women fans, and some "minority" fans.

"It is hardly surprising to see a bunch of intoxicated neandertals behave as such, perhaps you have personal knowledge thereof!"

Keep trying, cupcake. You keep proving you haven't got a clue. I'm not going to bite at your veiled insult.

[Oglethorpe]

70. Are you serious?

Do you really believe the military industrial complex is behind NASCAR? Young men (and some women) like to drive fast. Many others like to watch them drive fast. Its really not that complicated.

As for women and minorities, Theresa Earnhardt is one of the most powerful owners in NASCAR. There is not yet a full time minority driver (unless you would consider Juan Pablo Montoya), but an African-American gentleman named Bill Lester ran a few races last year, and NASCAR is working hard to find more minority drivers.

I have been to several NASCAR races, and have been very impressed by the diversity of the crowds.

[Scout]

73. but, but, cupcake told ME that comment applied to the fans, not the drivers

"The question, "Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?" was referring to the people throwing their garbage after the race."

I'm with you, Oglethorpe.

[cupcake]

79. Your comprehension issues are not my problem.

"but, but, cupcake told ME that comment applied to the fans, not the drivers"

Of course YOU know more about what people mean than those who post the questions themselves.

How arrogant. Perhaps this is another characteristic of the standard race fan, hmmm? (although at least Oglethorpe is civil)

The subject of this thread was people throwing garbage on a racetrack (for whatever reason), not the drivers or owners.

Back on topic, the negative impact on the environment of this "sport" is not inconsequential. I have no idea how many people go to these things, but I can imagine that tens of thousands of SUV's and even worse, RV's, clogging the highways leave a significant carbon footprint. And the planes that fly overhead? Are they burning ethanol? No, it is oil from the Middle East. Have you seen "An Inconvenient Truth"?

[taterguy]

80. What mode of transport did you use to go see An Inconv. Truth?

Just curious

[cupcake]

83. Touche

We all piled in my old Subaru. Theatre is about a mile away. But point taken.

[taterguy]

95. I was gonna cut you some slack but just one mile?

Hell, NASCAR fans walk further than that just to get from the parking lot to the track.

[cupcake]

97. Well, arbiter of slack

We went into the city after the movie. That's another 8 miles. I have no doubt that you walk further than that to your beloved races. Uphill. Both ways.

I think instead of a serious discussion of things we can do to help the planet (like going for a hike instead of cramming into a toxic arena to watch cars crash at 200 MPH) this is just making a mockery of things.

Frankly, it's tough for me to put into words how ticked off I am about all of this. I usually lurk instead of post and this is a good example why. Enjoy your motorized carnage and alcoholic binges.

And that's all I have to say about that.

x(

[Scout]

99. good, take your ball and go home with it then...

"I usually lurk instead of post and this is a good example why. Enjoy your motorized carnage and alcoholic binges."

:puke:

[cupcake]

101. Nice way to ignore a direct question.

I will repost message #79, since you chose to ignore it the first time around:

"but, but, cupcake told ME that comment applied to the fans, not the drivers"

Of course YOU know more about what people mean than those who post the questions themselves.

How arrogant. Perhaps this is another characteristic of the standard race fan, hmmm? (although at least Oglethorpe is civil)

The subject of this thread was people throwing garbage on a racetrack (for whatever reason), not the drivers or owners.

Back on topic, the negative impact on the environment of this "sport" is not inconsequential. I have no idea how many people go to these things, but I can imagine that tens of thousands of SUV's and even worse, RV's, clogging the highways leave a significant carbon footprint. And the planes that fly overhead? Are they burning ethanol? No, it is oil from the Middle East. Have you seen "An Inconvenient Truth"?

[Scout]

104. You're the one who asked the question, and YOU'RE the one who told

edit: html error

me you were talking about the fans not the drivers. So I did ASK the person who posted the question, you, duh.

And here is where you called me uncivil.

No, I have not seen An Incovenient Truth yet, was that the question you made such a fuss over? Are you going to tell me now that I'm not a liberal, and I'm responsible for destroying the environment?

Here's how the sequence of posts went, since you can't seem to figure it out.


cupcake post 43
I don't know much about racing (it's too loud and I don't want to think what that noise and smoke does to the wildlife around the tracks)
<snip>
Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents? I can just see all those evil Republicans running amok in their SUVs and pickup trucks, and they are everywhere. And not just the ones working in auto dealerships. IT specialists, mortgage bankers, restaurant owners, the kind of people who really take advantage of the proletariat.


Scout post 59
"backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents"

yeah, right, that's Jeff Gordon, Dale Earnhardt Jr, Elliot Sadler, Tony Stewart, Casey Kahne, etc...

maybe you SHOULD learn a little about racing before you post on the subject again...


cupcake post 69 emphasis mine
The question, "Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?" was referring to the people throwing their garbage after the race. It is hardly surprising to see a bunch of intoxicated neandertals behave as such, perhaps you have personal knowledge thereof!

Scout post 72
"Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?"

Your broad brush insult still does not apply. There are many women fans, and some "minority" fans.

"It is hardly surprising to see a bunch of intoxicated neandertals behave as such, perhaps you have personal knowledge thereof!"

Keep trying, cupcake. You keep proving you haven't got a clue. I'm not going to bite at your veiled insult.


Oglethorpe post 70
Do you really believe the military industrial complex is behind NASCAR? Young men (and some women) like to drive fast. Many others like to watch them drive fast. Its really not that complicated.

As for women and minorities, Theresa Earnhardt is one of the most powerful owners in NASCAR. There is not yet a full time minority driver (unless you would consider Juan Pablo Montoya), but an African-American gentleman named Bill Lester ran a few races last year, and NASCAR is working hard to find more minority drivers.

I have been to several NASCAR races, and have been very impressed by the diversity of the crowds.


Scout post 73 (replying to 70 by Oglethorpe)
"The question, "Are there women or minorities involved in this sport, or is this a haven for backwoods, toothless, unshaven, misogynist malcontents?" was referring to the people throwing their garbage after the race."

I'm with you, Oglethorpe.


Then you accuse me of having comprehension problems, of being arrogant, of not asking the person who posted the question (you), which I did do.


I'm done with you now ... since you apparently have nothing to contribute except veiled insults and broad brush stereotypes.

[cupcake]

108. I'm done with you now ... yes yes, of course you are

Well you should go and see it and maybe think twice before celebrating the consumption of fossil fuels for your entertainment.

There! Is that simple enough for you! Good! :)

Oh, you want to have the last word? Well please then, I don't want to upset you. :)

[taterguy]

Are hikes more environmentally friendly than alcoholic binges?

Here's a pic of me hiking. I had to drive a car 100 miles to an airport, hop on a jet plane to Phoenix, get in another car and drive to the Grand Canyon. God knows how many toxic fumes spewed out as a result of that indulgence



Here's a pic of me drinking. I rode my bicycle to a convenience store and bought beer.

[cupcake]

105. And you started a pollution thread?

Is that a cigarette you are smoking?

Physician, heal thyself. Taking care of the environment starts at home.

[taterguy]

106. And you complain about people not answering direct questions?

Me thinks I'm not the only one with so-called hypocracy issues

[cupcake]

109. Oh

I am sorry if you are sensitive about being called on smoking.

Such is hypocrisy.

[taterguy]

110. And my original question is still unanswered

Hmmmmmmm

[A HERETIC I AM]

107. Dammit! You owe me a keyboard.

Holy shit, that's a funny post.


"Here's a pic of me drinking. I rode my bicycle to a convenience store and bought beer."
:spray: :rofl: :spray: :spray: :spray:

You unbelievably environmentally unconscious beer drinker, you! Don't you know that you could have WALKED to the store to get your beer (and then drank one or two on the walk home and burped a bunch, making room for more) AND SAVED THE PLANET ?!?!


Jesus..."LOL" is such a cliche anymore but i really did laugh out loud at that.

Too fucking funny.

[taterguy]

111. So I'm here to amuse you?

Just who in the fuck do you think you're talking to?

[A HERETIC I AM]

112. Well, since you asked.....

I'm talking to a guy that drinks beer, smokes, rides a bike and hikes at the grand canyon.
As far as being here to amuse me...

Yes, you and every other human on the planet ARE HERE TO AMUSE ME!

Now.....take the fucking compliment, and go have another beer.

By the way, nice goose.

[DrunkenMaster]

113. that's ad hominem, buddy

his mode of transportation has absolutely SQUAT to do with the science of global warming. NOTHING. NADA. ZERO.

STOP ATTACKING THE MESSENGER AND LEARN SOME SCIENCE.

[taterguy]

133. One mile driven equals one pound of CO2

Every little bit adds up.

Individual actions do matter.

Didn't we learn anything from the 2000 Election?

[Oglethorpe]

87. NASCAR vs. Football

Okay, i'll play. Lets say 200,000 people show up for a NASCAR race. Do you have any idea how many people attend football games during a fall weekend? Between pro (15-16 games, 80,000 per game), and college (multiply that by about 5), you've got perhaps a few MILLION people in SUV's, RV's, etc. etc. It appears the negative impact on the environment from football is considerably worse.

As a NASCAR fan, i don't mind the jabs. Its part of the territory. However, NASCAR is only a small part of the entertainment industry, and by no means the worst offender. It might be worthwhile considering the impact of other entertainment also.

[cupcake]

90. That's a good point

Although I don't think people have to drive as far to see football games, they do contribute their share to damaging the ecosystem. But aside from Cleveland fans who hurl milk-bones on the turf, I am not aware of other exhibitions of loutish behavior such as what was witnessed this weekend in Alabama. Perhaps you would know better than I, do football games all have warplanes of death flying overhead in celebration of global hegemony as does Nascar?

[Oglethorpe]

93. Loutish Behavior

No doubt about it...some NASCAR fans are louts. But based on my experience they're no more loutish than fans in any other major sport. Yep, some fans threw beer at the number 24 car. I've seen beer, snowballs, baseball bats (one of the reasons they got rid of "bat day" in Philadelphia) at other sporting events.

As for the flyovers, again, sometimes in other sports. Football games, maybe an occasional All-star game. And sorry, as a liberal democrat yet former Air Force member, I'll refrain from calling them "warplanes of death". I'm not too pleased at how they're being used at the moment, and I think we waste too much money on them, but in the overall scheme of things i'm still glad we have them.

[Buzz Clik]

47. Damn people. If today were April 1 you might have been suspicious.

[Rosemary2205]

54. Yeah but Jeff Gordon sucks on April 1 too. LOL :)

[meldroc]

53. You heard how NASCAR got its name?

It came from when one of the locals came up to one of the stock cars and said "Nahs car!"

[Raskolnik]

55. I don't for one second believe you're serious. n/t

[LSK]

64. I think that had nothing to do with it, I think it was Earnhardt fans who dont like Gordon

Jeff just passed Earnhardt on the all time win list.

[Oglethorpe]

71. It wasn't the green crowd, it was the temperance crowd

I think it was actually a protest against alcohol companies sponsoring NASCAR, and the negative impact of alcohol on our society. Hence, the dumping of alcoholic beverages on the track. It was really a pro-temperance demonstration.

[taterguy]

81. Where did they get the cans?

If they bought them they'd be financially supporting the industry they're protesting

If they stole them then they're just common thiefs.

[Oglethorpe]

85. They're reformed

They are apparently reformed drunks who, after they saw the light, instead of taking all those cases of bud that they kept in the garage and throwing them away, instead decided to bring them down to the track to protest. (I can play this game too............ :) )

[sandnsea]

74. Talladega is Earnhardt country

That's all. Nothing wrong with Jeff, certainly not the environment. He broke Dale Sr's record at Talladega. End of story.

[Individualist]

75. Earnhardt fans environmentalists?

:rofl:

You don't know much about NASCAR, do you?

[jayfish]

91. You Bastard! I'm An Earnhardt Fan and...

well... ah... Oh, come to think of it, I'm not much of an environmentalist either. :hi:

Jay

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. It finished on Yellow

that is what people did not appreciate

You don't follow NASCAR do you?

Even our feathered fan was not amused... yes our cocktail watches NASCAR

[taterguy]

94. Your cocktail has feathers?

I wanna go drinking with you sometime.

I might learn something.

[KamaAina]

84. Gordon is one of those creepy "Promise Keepers"

you know, the all-male fundie group.

I'd probably throw stuff at him, too.

[bullwinkle428]

96. Jeff Gordon is a Promise Keeper?

I wonder how he explains the promises he failed to keep with his first wife?

Edit: I'm not finding a link on the Google search...this may require some more research.

[KamaAina]

98. Prepare to hurl: "Christian Auto Racing Evangelism"

:puke:

http://www.500miles.com/care

"In a race, there is only one winner. But when you bring Christ into your life, you're all winners."

Jeff Gordon - Promise Keepers Conference, Charlotte Motor Speedway, June 22, 1996

Boooooooooooooooooooo!

[Scout]

103. another reason to dislike him n/t

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[AZBlue]

102. Oh geez. It has nothing to do with Dupont. Check out the harm of just one race:

- 6,000 to 55,500 gallons of gas wasted (variance comes from listening to NASCAR's version or an environmentalist's version)
- cars are unregulated and have no mufflers, catalytic converters or other emissions control devices
- about 4,500 tires are used and discarded
- for one team 3-5 big rig trucks are used to haul the cars and their equipment and team members - no data specifically on this aspect were searchable
- no statistics available on the carbon footprint of NASCAR fans through the use of fuel-wasting RV's, etc. at the races

Consider that there are at least 36 races in one season and it's a pretty stupid sport to encourage during our global warming crisis.

(AND...let's not forget that NASCAR is just now being dragged, kicking and screaming wildly, into using unleaded fuel)

[RL3AO]

117. NASCAR is one of the few remaining racing leagues that use octane.

Most use pure ethonal now. Also, how many millions of gallons of fuel are used every year by the private jets of football, baseball, hockey, basketball and other sports leagues to fly the teams across country every day?

[AZBlue]

118. Actually I was going to include all that, but figured it would make others' heads explode.

Seriously, what a waste of money they all are, IMO.

[DainBramaged]

126. and compared to all sports?

So we should be a sports-less society (according to you)?

[lonestarnot]

114. And what do nasty car races do? Pollute the earth and waste fuel!

[DrunkenMaster]

115. WHAT A RIDICULOUS POST

How exactly did you get the idea they were "environmentalists"? Why did you post this thread without any f**king evidence?

[taterguy]

120. It's as clear as a day with no smog

Dupont has a bad environmental reputation

People threw things at a car sponsored by Dupont

Therefore, they were upset about Dupont's environtal record

I hate repeating myself but you asked

[A HERETIC I AM]

121. Yup, that settles it. You clearly are here for my amusement.

Because no one...and i mean NO ONE with any knowledge of NASCAR racing and its fan loyalties could surmise the trash throwing incident was anything but what it was - displeasure with the winner, one "Jeff, everyone loves to hate me Gordon"

Taterguy, you are either very clever for pulling everyones leg or you are clueless.

Either way, it's funny as hell.

[taterguy]

130. It's such a fine line between clever and clueless

Maybe I swing both ways

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

122. Ummmmm, It Was Because Of Gordon And Earnhardt Jr. And The Caution Flag.

Gordon passed SR for all times wins or whatever.

May God rest Dale Earnhardt's. Miss ya Dale!

[Little Wing]

123. This is one of the best threads ever

:applause:

[Buzz Clik]

124. I couldn't agree more.

I read this in the morning, didn't drop by again until late tonight, and -- OMG -- it had grown exponentially.

Tomorrow morning I hope to see even more posts explaining that it wasn't about DuPont or environmentalism.

[DainBramaged]

125. Jeffie boy gonna be lookin over his shoulder real soon now

And this will be the image he sees

[taterguy]

127. The Rainbow Warrior has nothing to worry about

He's named after that Greenpeace ship that the French attacked ya know.

If he can take them on then he doesn't have anything fear from the pissant bastard child of Martha Stewart.

[DainBramaged]

128. Pissed bastard boy be a threat to Jeffie puke puke everyday

Pissed bastard boy kick his ass on or off the race track, without any "gosh darn's or gollie gees".

That orange car be #1 by June 1st, and Jeffie puke puke be kicking his car.