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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:48 PM Original message |
The Health Care Bill: As Wicked as the Mandates Are, This Is Even Worse. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. this bill is a gift to the insurance industry, plain and simple.... |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The best leglislation their money could buy. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
70. The best "democracy" $ can buy |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. No doubt about it... nt |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. kill this bill |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Yes. Everyone is focusing only on mandates. There's more wickedness in the bill than just mandates. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. But the mandates are what force us into it. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. The anti-trust provisions need to be removed, and Insurance companies... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. An interesting point - as it is now, insurance is regulated only by |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Wow. It really IS The Insurance and Pharmaceutical Profit Protection Act |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
60. or rather, The Insurance and Pharmaceutical Profit Escalation Act nt |
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LuvNewcastle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. The more I hear, the worse it gets. |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Yep, kill it and start over nt |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. That's why the GOP has been pushing the 'buy across state |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You beat me to this by 2 seconds. Unbelievable - especially because the GOP still won't vote for it |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yep. This bill is a Repuke's wet dream. And the Democrats are going to hand it to them. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. And in another win for the goops, get blamed for it. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yep, I've heard that over and over from Repubs. And since no actual Repub will |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yeah. And guess what? It already in the friggin' bill. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Yeah, I got that part of it when McCain was campaigning on it in the election nt |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well this should make the repigs happy - this is what THEY wanted. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. It's exaclty what they wanted. And it's in the friggin' bill. |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Repukes getting what they wanted...WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TO VOTE FOR IT!!! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. "Without even having to vote for it." |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
12. OK, but the Soylent Green thing is a bit over the top. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Is it? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
15. He promised a pony but all we got is horseshit. |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. UHHHHH! You said 'pony'.... |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
17. One of the 'inclusions' |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I'm a little fuzzy, here, but I swear this was supposed to be the tradeoff for getting rid of the |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
52. And the thing I am imagining about the anti trust situation is that |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. Remember how Repubs bitched and moaned about "unfunded mandates?" |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
22. K&R! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. You are not alone. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
23. Kill the bill. It's worse than doing nothing. n/t |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. First, that can be changed in conference, and second, if you want more competition in insurance |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
29. Looks like Dean was correct - again |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
32. My only hope in that is that the insurance co's instantly move from the |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. We've been had! KILL THE BILL!!! |
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postulater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
35. Imagine working in a doctor's office and trying to figure out |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. This was the Republican "idea" |
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. I own a clinic that is now cash only |
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postulater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Exactly. |
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aroach (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. My doctor is cash only... |
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Iowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Yep... I could pay out-of-pocket for a cash-only family doc's services. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. why all of the hurry? Paraphrasing Obama, if the American people and Senate only knew. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. Good point and I agree with killing the bill |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. grantcart, thanks for letting me know that NPR covered this story today. |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. Obama campaigned AGAINST selling insurance across state lines |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Great work, thesquanderer! We need more like you here at the DU! |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Important info. Will you please repost this to start a new thread, making sure more people see it? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. +1. It should be a new OP. |
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thesquanderer (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Done, and expanded, thanks |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. +1000 |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. +1 |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is crucial. Thank you for posting. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
41. K & R |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-17-09 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. Oh, but it doesn't matter what's in it, just pass it. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Plus it only provides that We the People cough up some |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
50. Kill the bill. nt |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
54. Corps don't want to have to wait for court decisions like the banks did with CC fee laws |
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zoff (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
55. Which just goes to show, there is only one party operating in DC, ... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
56. Wow! This whole thread is informative. Thank You. Kick |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #56 |
78. Thanks, Little Star. Please share this with all your friends who are Democrats. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
57. knr |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
58. K & R !!! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
59. posted this the other day from DK: all those reasons & more: |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
61. and they won't even bother to provide us vaseline |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
62. You end up with what i've got: |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
63. My girlfriend |
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kjones (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
64. knowing the way things go... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
67. One hour after the bill passes... |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
68. .. and yet most people here are acting as if this was a "mistake" |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
69. outstanding thread, David. |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
71. Of course, when R's innocently ask "what's wrong with allowing competition" |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
74. thank you David |
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Parker CA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
75. Wow. This is seriously bad news. Not a peep on this anywhere else as far as I know. Well done!! |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
76. And their claim of No annual benefit limits is a lie. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
77. Yup, soon Texas will be regulating your insurance carrier. |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
79. Unbelievable. nt |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
81. Thanks David..too late to K&R...but giving you an UP! |
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Scarsdale Vibe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
82. Bullshit as usual. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-18-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. They'll sign it before the fat lazy American middle wakes up. n/t |
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