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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:29 PM Original message |
Why do cleaning/cooking product advertisers think women are the only |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. sexism sells |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Apparently not to me. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. me neither |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
114. I find stupid commercials of all kinds a real turn-off with respect to the products |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Dumb AND sexism sells bigtime. The more unreal, loveless and superficial = more cool in corp culture |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yep. Sexism sells. Women are NOT inherently tidier than men. Ugh! They ARE, however, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. advertising to men often involves appealing to their inner 8 year old. See- car commercials |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. lol |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. LMAO! |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
45. I think you could also substitute "penis" in there somewhere |
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Still Blue in PDX (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
122. Or enlarging their not-so-privates. eom |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Like I pointed out in that other thread |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Military men, clean, hug each other and say "I love you" to each other. Weird how |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. My hubby is a veteran: US Army. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. It's a function of the way we were socialized. Women and military men are forced to do so. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Yep. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. By the way, he sounds like a keeper. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. He is. |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. I'm not military, but I was raised by a single mom |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
91. Same here! |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
101. My husband is the same way. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It's all a product of socialization. Women and military men are socialized to be neat. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
50. But who gets to be the arbiter of what is "clean enough"? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I think the poster simply meant the basics of clean... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I dunno...her using the military's hygeine as an example doesn't really support that theory, imo. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Yes it does. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I agree that the standards aren't as clear and the expectation isn't overt. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. I think women should give up their perceived moral authority to set domestic standards... |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. You'd mop more frequently if you had a rescued doggie who |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
88. IMO many women even are socialized to be overly concerned about cleaning. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Well, they do get the treatment over baldness... |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Because women do the selection while shopping |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Not necessarily true. In my world retired military officers LOVE to do the hunting. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. How hard can it be to buy 99-cent bleach, a 29-cent box of baking soda, a |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Look at those prices - when's the last time you went shopping? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. I buy non-name brands. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
28. None of those things have cost that much for years! |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. I guess where you live, they cost more. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. Maybe more men than women are aware of that -- |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
77. And those are just as sexist as the current ads |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:25 PM Original message |
They're both fake ads. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
110. I know they're fake. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Dupe... :-( |
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Lochloosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
74. Sorry. I do ALL of the shopping. And I cook every night. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. Then you would be able to estimate how many grocery shoppers are males by themselves |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. Good for you. But most shopping is done by women. nt |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
97. You called it. nt |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Also, women buy a good chuck of these products |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. At least we're no longer worrying about waxy yellow buildup! |
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left coaster (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
7. Most marketing/advertising is well calculated.. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
65. Bingo |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. I do 99% of the cleaning in my house, and I'm male. |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. And, as an extention to your rant, why do |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I've never heard a United Statesian woman describe herself as a 'spinster' |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
72. No, but try to get to Britain as often as possible - |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
49. Trust me - I was a single Mom for five years and prayed for housecleaning elves! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
14. The only cleaning products sold to men are for keeping your car |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. Women still do most of the grocery shopping, so ads are aimed at them |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's a plot by the right wing... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. The ones that bug me most are where the "wise man" is condescendingly |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
23. i`ve always cleaned our homes..drives my wife nuts! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. Good for your sisters! And you! |
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liberal_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
24. My daughter hates that |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. Target Women's take on this is pretty good. I love Sarah Haskins. |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
60. Oh those were hilarious!!! |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
29. Here's another thing - |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Not to mention she's a nagging buzzkill. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. DON'T get me started on slobby/homely guys married to hot babes in ads....nt |
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left coaster (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. I admit this annoys me.. |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Yes, that's the reason why. Look at how many women post here about how useless men are. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. That's also very common in movies. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
64. First question: thousands. Second question: NOT thousands. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Haha... yes, NOT thousands. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. Good point. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
81. Oh yeah. The man always looks like a schlub, and |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
119. and younger. The wife usually looks younger, especially in Viagra commercials. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
31. I believe the reason is money. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. "Centrum for Men" -- |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. While there are lots of men who clean house, women do the majority of the shopping |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. It's Called Marketing. Ever Hear Of It? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I am in marketing (although not product commercials). |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. People think marketers are poring over scientific demographic research all day |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Agreed. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
56. Billy Mays ads are pretty gender neutral. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Vince the Shamwow guy is an annoying little shit, but... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. Most of the advertisers are men and men approve the ads |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
118. Oh, but it can't be. It must be due to research! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. I don't buy anything that's advertised, at least not here |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #129 |
132. I know, I'm big on Costco and no name brands myself. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
61. Brawny paper towels had a TV ad featuring a really hot guy |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
66. always hated that concept on commercials. |
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la_chupa (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
68. maybe you should swear off sitting around looking for some reason to get your knickers in a twist |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. This is not a helpful comment. Read a different thread. nt |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. I'm not wearing knickers. |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
69. Mama's Got the Magic of Clorox 2 |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
76. They probably did a study |
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bluetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
78. Thanks for pointing this out. The Stupak Amendment has made it apparent that we MUST call out ALL |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
79. I don't know, but I've been wondering the same for many years now |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
82. What used to piss me off to the max? |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Me, too - mainly because that particular product caused women |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
104. Yeah. And few women need to take iron supplements also. nt |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
120. Yes, where have the FDS and Massengil commercials disappeared to? |
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RFKHumphreyObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
83. Additionally mothers are always the ones getting meals for the kids |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
86. That BS drives me nuts. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. It's a stereotype most everyone accepts. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
102. I know. And, at least in my world, they're just not true. Insulting. nt |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #86 |
133. M$M's epic fail in the wake of the Inet makes me doubt that M$M stereotypes ever truly sold. nt |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
90. Why is it that men are usually driving the car when they are with a woman? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I'm guilty of that. I hate driving. |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I played a joke on wife one time. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
123. If you took those curb-seeking radials off the car, you'd have no problem at all. |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Because my wife is a crappy driver |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Yeah, I don't 'get' that. I think it's still a control thing. And men think they're |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. My wife prefers that I drive and I don't mind. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Yes, I know folks like that. But the pattern in advertising, and in life is so strong. nt |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. It took strength to control a team of horses |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. True! |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #111 |
126. I don't think so. My mom drove a stick back in the forties and she's a little |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #111 |
131. Haven't car been around for 100 years? |
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Gidney N Cloyd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. I've found women gravitate toward the 'passenger' side of the bed, too. |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
124. I don't know; my husband and I split it up pretty evenly. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
130. My husband drives his car, I drive mine |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
95. Did you have an imaginary set of pedals on your side when your wife drove? |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
99. The ad execs used to call commercials for cleaning products "Two C's in a K" |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
100. Amen, sister! Preach it! |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Think of TV shows |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-14-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
134. I marvel that more men don't get pissed off by this image. nt |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
107. Another advertising "truth" I hate: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
115. I agree. It drives me crazy, too. |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
116. Because stay at home Dads are "lazy bums, who can't hold a job" |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
117. The simple answer is... they are still selling |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
121. Because almost all advertising creative directors and art directors are MEN. |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
125. Wolfgang Puck's got his own line of cookware. |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
127. Next you'll be complaining "why are Men the only ones with penises? I'm so jealous." |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
128. dupe |
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