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Are_grits_groceries
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:49 AM Original message |
ACLU Lobbyist Larry Frankel Found Dead in Washington |
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Mari333
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. pro choice, gay rights activist |
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BREMPRO
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. I'll put money on murder related to his work. |
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BrklynLiberal
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Assassination was the word that popped into my mind as well. |
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BREMPRO
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. In honor of his service and because we WON'T be intimidated, I just donated and joined the ACLU |
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BrklynLiberal
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Great. I have been a member for decades. |
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varelse
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
93. you just inspired me to do the same |
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onenote
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
125. how much? |
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malaise
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
2. WTF?? |
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omega minimo
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
74. +120 |
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Lerkfish
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. sounds like he was "suicided" against his will. |
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H2O Man
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I think it |
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onenote
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. what in the article makes it sound like that is what happened? |
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Lerkfish
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. "ACLU lobbyist" |
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TheWraith
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Sun Aug-30-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And I'm sick and tired of people going off paranoid without cause. |
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Liberation Angel
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. "sick and tired" How About We on the Left are RESIGNED to assassinations? |
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cui bono
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. I recommend this post. |
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The Hope Mobile
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #39 |
106. me too - now we need to get the American people sick and tired |
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pleah
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. ...... |
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defendandprotect
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Ah, truth -- !!! |
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leftstreet
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. +1 |
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HughBeaumont
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. K und R. It's the unspeakable truism: |
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mirrera
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
58. K&R to you... |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
61. But none of that is actual EVIDENCE for the claim that this guy was suicuded. |
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Liberation Angel
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #61 |
120. You are right - no evidence of suicide. Hence possibility of murder |
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Mystayya
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #120 |
140. Or maybe even an accidental or natural cause. |
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Why Syzygy
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
151. "MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES" |
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OwnedByFerrets
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
71. Fantastic Post |
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NBachers
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
92. Yeah! What LiberationAngel said! |
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DKRC
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
101. Well said |
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inna
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
107. i rec this post too! |
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lib_wit_it
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
113. Correct. The have earned the suspicion. |
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Lerkfish
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. I see you have proven me correct. |
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Liberation Angel
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Frankly |
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druidity33
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Sun Aug-30-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. um... |
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onenote
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
126. umm, the homicide division typically shows up when a body is found in circumstances |
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defendandprotect
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. One of the last things the right wing wants is anyone connecting dots . . . |
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EOTE
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. If you're not paranoid, you're not paying attention. |
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Bucky
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. Ignore the chatterbugs. |
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peacetalksforall
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
100. I'm tired of people not allowing a gut reaction to touch the body and head, And I'm ticked |
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BlueJazz
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. I agree with you Lerkfish. The Republicans have done so many... |
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havocmom
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
82. +1 |
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Why Syzygy
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
149. +1! |
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Why Syzygy
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
148. "mysterious circumstances" |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #3 |
60. Got any proof of that? |
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Occulus
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Do you feel the same about the motives behind Dr. Tiller's murder? n/t |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. The two are not comparable. |
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anigbrowl
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #77 |
105. Hello? It hasn't even been established whether this case is a homicide. |
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DCKit
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Before the conspiracy theories get too prevalent.... |
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Bucky
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. No, that's just what they WANT you to think. Wheels withing wheels, man. |
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DCKit
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. Thanks for clearing that up for me Bucky. |
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anigbrowl
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
104. Sounds like you need to get your feet back on the ground |
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Sancho
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. Two dangerous locations: small planes and public parks! |
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Are_grits_groceries
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Rock Creek Park especially. |
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wtmusic
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. And Chandra Levy. nt |
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ensho
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. agree, Rock Creek Park is a favorite |
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FarCenter
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Vince Foster was found in Fort Marcy Park |
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SidDithers
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
122. Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory... |
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Beacho
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Don't forget unsolicited invitations |
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mod mom
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. K & R A loss for all. |
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PCIntern
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
9. Virtually no press in Philly on this story... |
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Cha
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Thanks..like the poster wrote up thread.. |
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alfredo
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. I just received an anti ACLU e-mail this morning. I sent a reply with |
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nc4bo
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
13. Sorry to hear this. He sounded like he was a wonderful man doing great things |
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Are_grits_groceries
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. If anybody finds out anything about this, |
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Vidar
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
15. More murder by Republican, in all probability. |
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704wipes
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Tue Sep-01-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
166. Xe under contract |
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dgibby
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
16. Just went to the link provided. |
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Are_grits_groceries
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I can't find doodly anywhere. |
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progressoid
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Sun Aug-30-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. The media will ignore it |
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kenny blankenship
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. I could not find a thing on DC area papers' sites but there is a ACLU of PA statement: |
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AuntPatsy
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
19. How horrific...he needed protection..where were we? He was out there fighting for us... |
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Mystayya
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
131. huh? |
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glinda
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
24. Without knowing the facts, my guess is that he was a "target" to offer up because of |
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Liberation Angel
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. We know FOUR facts: He's DEAD, he was against fascism, death was suspicious and a |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. And here, everyone, is a perfect example of confirmation bias. |
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Occulus
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. I guarantee you police are asking who this man's enemies were. |
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comicus1980
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. Another strike for the "family values" crowd... |
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Strong Atheist
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
72. Welcome to DU! |
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Liberation Angel
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
27. If I were lead investigator in DC I'd "like" and interrogate Blackwater for this |
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AuntPatsy
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Not a bad idea.. |
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Hubert Flottz
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Mon Aug-31-09 04:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
115. Same thing I was thinking Blackwater or CIA... |
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Liberal_in_LA
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Sun Aug-30-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. OMG! |
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ShortnFiery
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
35. I hope KO or Rachel Maddow get a hold of this story: Those two are the only Large Media |
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. recent notes about how he was found |
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Are_grits_groceries
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Sun Aug-30-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. "The Raw Story" has picked it up. |
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
40. I smell a big fat rat |
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pleah
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
42. K&R |
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Raine
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Sun Aug-30-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
45. Very convenient death |
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rucognizant
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Liberation Angel |
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onenote
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #45 |
128. why him? there are any number of people above him in the ACLU hierarchy |
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Liberation Angel
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:18 AM Response to Reply #128 |
169. My only supposition is that failure to fully explore the possibility of murder is betrayal |
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Liberation Angel
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
46. If you are not paranoid you are not paying attention. Rest in Peace good warrior |
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. "Murder for political reasons strikes terror into the heart of those who also may become victims. |
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and-justice-for-all
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Sun Aug-30-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
47. Random act of violence or "other" |
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
50. Message sent. Message received. eom |
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PAMod
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Sun Aug-30-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
52. That is terrible news. |
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G_j
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
56. kick |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
62. Wow, the conspiracy nuts have jumped on this like flies on shit. |
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BlueJac
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. It is their opinion, get over it..... |
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troubledamerican
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Odin2005's own confirmation bias: "There are no political conspiracies in the U.S." |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. A conspiracy is one thing, thinking society is micromanaged by shadowy forces is another. |
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troubledamerican
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:51 AM Response to Reply #90 |
103. CTers & Odin2005, both rationalizing their generalizations & confirmation biases |
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Odin2005
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Mon Aug-31-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. I don't believe there was some conspiracy involved in the deaths of JFK, RFK, and MLK. |
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Liberation Angel
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #117 |
133. Your total failure to get it is clear: murder is policy |
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Odin2005
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #133 |
155. "Poppers rejected and opposed empiricism." |
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Liberation Angel
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #155 |
168. From the Popper wiki entry which is pretty definite on this point |
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Odin2005
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Tue Sep-01-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #168 |
173. "Rejecting CLASSICAL Empiricism" does not mean "Rejecting Empiricism" |
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troubledamerican
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
164. Still generalizing about CT, missing the point (& a peculiarly American conceit) |
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omega minimo
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Grow up, Odin. How blatant are these bastards now? |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. You misunderstood me. |
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omega minimo
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. Well put but that's not at all what you said. |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I was just exasperated by the conclusion-jumping. |
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omega minimo
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. So? |
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peacetalksforall
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Mon Aug-31-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #84 |
102. You don't live for 46 years since the assassination of JFK and NOT think conspiracy. |
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Occulus
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. These are *suspicions*, Odin. Healthy ones. |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. I was just amused by how people suddenly jumped to conclusions. |
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omega minimo
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. and your "flies on shit" remark seemed less than neutral, didn't it? |
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anigbrowl
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #62 |
109. Of course. They love an evidence-free zone. |
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Odin2005
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Mon Aug-31-09 07:55 AM Response to Reply #109 |
116. It's a kind of self-induced neurosis created by one's own cognitive biases. |
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Liberation Angel
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Baloney - calling it neurosis is BS |
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Mystayya
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #124 |
143. The death was not suspicious- he died of natural causes. |
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SidDithers
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
123. +1... |
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Mystayya
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #62 |
132. I agree with you- this is nuts. |
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laughingliberal
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. And don't forget-just cause you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you |
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BREMPRO
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Sun Aug-30-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
68. kick |
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flyarm
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
69. How about murder/intimidation and trying to shut up the rest at the ACLU? |
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BREMPRO
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. a timing coincidence that has to be considered. |
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inna
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
111. +1, nt |
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Monk06
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
76. Maybe the folks at www.stoptheaclu.com have some information they would like to share n/t |
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glinda
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
91. That is an interesting thought. That site is disgusting. |
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Odin2005
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Sun Aug-30-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. Ugh, what a disgusting site. |
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
79. While we are distracted by |
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
86. I'm going to wait and see what the police report says before I go off. nt |
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Stephanie
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Sun Aug-30-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Me too n/t |
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anigbrowl
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
110. Frankel's relatives part of murder conspiracy!!!! |
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BREMPRO
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:40 AM Response to Reply #110 |
112. "natural causes"? at 54 years old? |
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onenote
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #112 |
130. yes, a heart attack is considered natural causes |
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Mystayya
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #112 |
144. Men of that age group dying of heart attacks is not an uncommon event. |
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anigbrowl
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Mon Aug-31-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #112 |
145. Sure, it happens all the time |
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Are_grits_groceries
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
114. Oh, I have just jumped to conclusions again. |
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Mon Aug-31-09 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
118. The Nazis frequently said it was "natural causes" when they sent the remains home |
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
119. This needs to be said: The OP says "mysterious circumstances" |
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Mon Aug-31-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
121. FDR: In Politics nothing happens by accident |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #121 |
134. If you follow that logic, you could blame Ted Kennedy's brain cancer on Karl Rove |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. sure I could |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
138. is that why the repubs gave FDR polio? |
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:22 AM Response to Reply #138 |
170. Who knows? But I suspect foul play in his death |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
127. giving a quick kick up |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
129. I think alot of people are jumping to conclusions |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #129 |
135. How can you jump to those conclusions? |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #135 |
137. the claim that Frankel's death was "mysterious" came from the original blog post |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. people are stating it is assasination before even knowing how he died |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #139 |
141. In fact, the family has come out and said that it was "natural causes"... |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #141 |
142. I know, right? n/t |
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Mon Aug-31-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #135 |
147. You don't have a theory |
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #147 |
172. There is plenty of evidence to suggest foul play and even murder |
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Mon Aug-31-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
146. Doctors See Natural Causes & Exertion As Likely Death Causes |
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Yes, but we know that most doctors are Republicans |
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #146 |
154. I hope the autopsy is thorough and given he felt sick and complained about "food poisoning" |
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #146 |
156. See, I knew people were jumping to unjustified conclusions. |
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #146 |
157. Kick for reason and sanity...nt |
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Mon Aug-31-09 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
152. Our undeclared Civil War continues... |
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Mon Aug-31-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. on one side of the war: death by natural causes |
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Mon Aug-31-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #152 |
160. No its not |
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Mon Aug-31-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #152 |
161. No its not |
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
158. Obituary |
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Mon Aug-31-09 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
159. Jeez! "Poisoning" |
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Mon Aug-31-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. i once saw a jogger dying from a heart attack |
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #162 |
167. Did that jogger complain of being poisoned the day BEFORE? |
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Tue Sep-01-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #167 |
174. heart attack in a public park in the middle of the day |
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Mon Aug-31-09 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
163. ANY updates/POGRESS with the investigation?? |
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Mon Aug-31-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
165. I wonder if he knew something about the Cheney administration. |
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Tue Sep-01-09 01:24 AM Response to Reply #165 |
171. Of course he did |
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