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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:50 PM Original message |
I think Scotland did an acceptable thing. You may now come and kick my ass. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. compassion uber alles |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Would you feel the same if we let every terminally ill person out of jail regardless of crimes |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I would. |
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Peregrine Took (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. Me, too. Seventy times seven. n/t |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. Indeed |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #87 |
117. And where do you draw the line? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Dichotomy |
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Mystayya (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 09:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
107. If they were within weeks of dying and had a family to go to. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. Agreed n/t |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree, and it is their justice system |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. Scotland is a very irreligious country |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. I'm sure there are those who would disagree with your observations |
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Rambis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
113. Tell that to the Rangers and Celtic fans (nm) |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. Would you feel the same about the 9/11 terrorists? |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Yeah that poster is not outraged enough |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Imagine being in a quiet Afghan village, and a missile fired from a remote controlled drone |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:14 PM Original message |
Point. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
68. Define "terrorist attack". |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
76. how do you know she hasn't? And what difference does that make? |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
55. You beat me to it , thought provoking post for those that are able to associate... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Thank you. (nt) |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 09:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
106. Just wondering... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
8. No ass-kicking from me.....just agreement. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. I don't feel in a position to judge Scotland on this |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Compassion probably wasn't the real reason |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The record is pretty clear .... this is not the first time and their record is ovrwhelmingly ....... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. but none of the others killed 250 people |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
78. does the life of a person killed by a person matter any less- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
93. See Catwoman's #60. The man's guilt was not transparent at all. n/t |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
12. 250 innocent people died. And this guy has shown not a SHRED of remorse |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. I don't think he is dying. |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. The Scottish government offered sufficient proof to the US government |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
60. check this out |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. sounds like reasonable doubt |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Ohh. They Leonard Peltiered him |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
81. Thank you! This is a very relevant point. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
89. Thank you. n/t |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
97. Indeed.nm |
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jasi2006 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm not sure this guy is guilty of the nasty deed. He was convicted |
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jasi2006 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'm not sure this guy is guilty of the nasty deed. He was convicted |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. I agree - I think if he had done it - he would have admitted it by now. nt |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. I'm cool with that. |
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Curtland1015 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. Certainly you have the right to feel that. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. As someone said upthread, campassion says more about the compassionate person than the ..... |
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Curtland1015 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Oh, I understand that. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
85. something to consider- |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
110. Well one thing I have to say is... |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
23. He went home to a hero's welcome and no doubt empowered others... |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Do you think I'm dancing a jig? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Finding it "acceptable" is only smaller by a matter of degree... not direction |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
72. No, you're not clever either... eom |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Thank you JuniperLea. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
57. He got a welcome because those people don't believe he was guilty. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
25. He should die in prison. |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. If he had served like 30 years already |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. "Compassion is the radicalism of our time." Dalai Lama K&R |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. There is a difference between compassion and plain weakness |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Compassion for a dying man is "weakness"? In what way? |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. It is a weakness politically |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
83. people called MLKjr weak- and Gandhi as well, but |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. And I'm the one who is always arguing compassion for |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
92. Our time? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
30. Ugh, can't believe it... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. We're a nation of barbarians. It's no surprise that DUers espouse barbaric values. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
62. with YOU, Lydia.... . . . .n/t |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. compassion is for those who deserve it. yours is an indefensible position. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I admit it ...... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. If you're a Buddhist, compassion is for all sentient beings. |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. I think in this case it's pretty obvious. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. I simply stated the Buddhist view of compassion. There are no exceptions. |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Actually, Manson demonstrates every time he faces a parole board that he is unrepentent |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Not only that, but I believe he's also said people should be very afraid of him |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
119. alright, ladies, if that's the game you wish to play... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Don't know whom you were addressing, but in case it was a reply to |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. No. Compassion should be offered freely regardless of whether it is deserved. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. where did that gem come from? |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #35 |
109. I lost a friend on that plane |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
37. Guess I am not a liberal then. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
99. Oh, but he will |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
39. 250 innocent people did not get to live until their natural death. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
91. and not one single thing will ever change their fate. We have NO CHOICE |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
40. I think Scotland did a CIVILIZED thing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Craig Ferguson. |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. I did say "amazing"... n/t |
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Ex Lurker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
86. I don't have compassion for murderers. Sorry. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. Their doubt about his innocence made them release him to die. |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. If they doubted his guilt, he should not have been there in the first place |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. The political nature of this would never have allowed a pardon |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. If there is reasonable doubt about his guilt |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. The Scots have been conflicted over this decision since it was handed down |
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Chemisse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #67 |
102. In that context, this all makes sense and I can't fault them - nt |
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Crooked Moon (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
45. i stand with obama on this. |
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tj2001 (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
47. The guy is practically dead. Who cares where he dies? Let Libya bear the expenses. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
48. Nothing is ever what it appears to be. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
100. his family has the chance to say good-bye to him. He asked to |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
49. Guilty or not, his homeland considers him a hero |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
108. no they are NOT- they are treating him like a citizen from their |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
50. The problem with Scotland... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. I'm fine with it, although I do think there are far better avenues for |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. Agreed |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:15 PM Response to Original message |
73. no kick from me- except |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
75. I won't kick your ass. |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
79. I ain't gonna kick your ass because I feel sort of the same way |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
80. me too |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
84. I listened to the reasons live this morning, then said, "Fuck it"- |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. Specific deterrence is not the only justification for punishment. nt. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
88. I'm conflicted. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
94. It's the Scottish legal system... |
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Mystayya (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
95. I am trying to look at it this way |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
96. did Scotland finally kick England off the island? |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #96 |
104. There is no border dispute between England and Scotland |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. funny, I was joking |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-20-09 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. Compassion? For this scum? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 06:47 AM Response to Reply #98 |
105. That's why I used the word "dichotomy". It fits. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #98 |
114. he is NOT receiving a 'hero's welcome' !! |
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WillieW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
101. Most European countries feel compassion for end of life criminals. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
103. The BBC has been reporting on the doubts in relation to Megrahi's conviction. |
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DarbyUSMC (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
111. Just posted this elsewhere in reply to "outrage". |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. beautifully said- |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
112. agree with you |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-21-09 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
116. This guy will die from Cancer soon. He already has a death sentence. |
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jimcarlton32 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
121. And what about compassion for the victims families? |
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John Kerry VonErich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
122. In some countries |
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