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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:49 AM Original message |
HBO/Hanks/Playtone JFK Assassination Series Set For 2013 Release |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks for posting. Should be good. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Having lived thru 11/22/63, it is difficult for me to imagine it being told without |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. sad...utter horseshit. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
22. Prosecutor's brief? Have you read the book to know this? |
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MrMickeysMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
130. Here's a link... |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #130 |
201. Useful post MrMickeysMom. 'Bugliosi's horseshit' is right! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
155. Nixon - of 'the Cuban thing' fame - was in Dallas on 11/22/63. |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
4. hey, Vince, what about this: |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Actually, this isn't true - Oswald's USMC range record book |
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ngant17 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. marksman is no expert |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I haven't seen that book - this is the first I have heard of it.....but |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Oswald scored as a sharpshooter on his first test, and only a few points under expert. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #16 |
154. Self delete |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #16 |
214. "This is all documented in the USMC records and is beyond dispute." |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
224. Methinks his book on Bush is designed to give him 'street-cred' regarding JFK's hit! n/t |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
77. There was a report |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. An absolute lie not supported by the evidence and testimony in the case. |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Geez, chill willya? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Posts like yours averring that tests were faked are akin to averring that |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #92 |
102. I averred no such thing. I was 'conversing.' |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. I don't consider conversation to include slandering people and accusing them |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #108 |
205. Earl Warren was a Republican |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #205 |
209. You are exactly right and I stand corrected on that point. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
156. Initial reports - usually the most telling - were that a Mauser was used. n/t |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
104. Too bad the paraffin test on Oswald's cheek came out negative |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Wrong. Paraffin tests came out positive on both of Oswald's hands. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #105 |
109. Oswald handled books, and printed ink can produce a positive paraffin test in the hands |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. What's the difference? Paraffin tests were unreliable. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. What do you mean "why make excuses"? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. You have no knowledge of the evidence in the case, so it's |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
120. The revolver misfired. And hey...what's up with that impostor in Mexico City eh? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. More CT nonsense. There's no end to it. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. The impostor, stopbush. The impostor. Don't pretend I didn't ask you about him, my LN friend n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Listen, nube, I can slap that one down just as easily as I have the other myths |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Uh oh, stop has no explanation as to why a man impersonated Oswald in Mexico City |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. Bwaaahhh! I can't believe you pulled THAT one out of your ass! |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. I didn't say Oswald wasn't in Mexico...and wat happened to the tapes and photo in Win Scott's safe? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #132 |
136. Let's see, you're batting 0 for 4 (or is it 5?) but you're back for more. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #136 |
143. Again, you pretend that I said Oswald didn't visit the embassies...but you know that's not the case |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #131 |
134. Don't refer to John M. Newman as ''wacko CTist.'' |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Thanks for schooling my friend on the background of John Newman |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #135 |
141. You are most welcome, Sweet and Spicy! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #134 |
139. Is "CT wacko" more to your tastes? n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:48 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Call me a ''wacko'' or ''CTist,'' I don't care which when it comes to my country. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Are you John Newman? No? Then stop implying I called you a name. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Wait...so you think he's a non-wacko CT even though he agrees with Newman? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. These attempts to pretend I've broken DU rules are silly. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #145 |
206. 'Old box-cutter silly theory' defense! n/t |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #128 |
133. And yes, it was a PHONE CALL between Hoover and LBJ on Nov. 23 |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #133 |
207. Hoover and Johnson benefited big time from JFK's demise! n/t |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:01 AM Response to Reply #133 |
210. You can't recommend your own thread... |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #128 |
159. J. Edgar Hoover was attending a party at Clint Murchison's place on 11/21/63. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #124 |
158. The Mexico City thing was part of the Oswald sheep dipping exercise. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #120 |
157. There were two different cartridge types found at the Tippet murder scene. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #105 |
203. He simply didn't wash his hands after taking a piss! The cheek result is the most informative! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
153. The sites had to be adjusted a fair bit before any testing on the rifle could be done. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
211. Oswald didn't go to the range, one - ONE - of his 'doubles' made a public display b4 the hit! n/t |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. I know it's a 911 site, but Salandria (quoted herein) is much more convincing than VB: |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. Reclaiming History from Reclaiming History: a thorough examination of a selective use of evidence |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Wow, you keep smearing Bugliosi |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
160. Whilst you seem to worship him! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #160 |
169. Thanks for your opinion. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. Amen! n/t |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. "Without an agenda?" Riiiight.... |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
204. If the JFK 'story' unravels, so too will the 911-box-cutter theory! n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
11. Perfect. Lone Nut meme will get all the media oxygen on the 50th anniversary. |
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TheUnspeakable (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I had no idea about this letter! |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Hey, if an important and attractive celebrity like Hanks says it, it must be true. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
78. Gee, for someone who takes the name of a rationalist like Thomas Paine |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. Yes, the truth will get most of the attention on the 50th anniversary, Octafish |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. That means Poppy Bush will have answered why he was in Dallas the day President Kennedy was killed. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. You don't have any evidence that he was there when Kennedy was killed. n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
90. Not the point. Poppy has a lot to answer for - such as his friendship with George deMohrenschildt. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Oh, your misleading statement about Poppy is my point. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Nothing misleading. Those are Poppy's own words -- recorded in an FBI memo from 22 Nov 1963. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Yes, it is. You imply he was there when the assassination happened. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Why’s he merit a pass? Mr. Out-of-the-Loop is the living heart of darkness. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I never said he merited a pass. Quit misrepresenting my posts. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:08 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. Feel free to go through my Journal. Let me know what ''crap conspiracy theories'' you find. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. If it's in your journal, it's probably a crap conspiracy theory. Thank you, no. n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
144. Really? Apart from volunteering for USN flight school, what has Bush Dynasty done for America? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Awww. Document dumps are so endearing. |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. So you haven't found in my posts even one example of ''crap conspiracy theories.'' |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:58 PM Original message |
Get down off the cross. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
193. Not another hypocritical gay republican witch hunt, please! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #149 |
194. The crappiest one of all involves box cutters! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
177. Poppy also had a fair amount to do with the Bay of Pigs fiasco? n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
175. Nixon said of Poppy, "He'll do anything for the cause". n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
161. Nixon was there! J. Edgar Hoover was there! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. Who wasn't there? n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Mac Wallace was there! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:53 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Bill Paxton was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #172 |
176. E. Howard Hunt was there! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. Jackie Kennedy was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. David Atlee Phillips was there! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Abraham Zapruder was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #181 |
185. H. L. Hunt was there! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Lee Harvey Oswald was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. THE CIA/FBI operative Lee Harvey Oswald? n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #187 |
188. No, the real Lee Harvey Oswald. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #188 |
191. Do you mean radar-operator Oswald who worked at Atsugi AFB + learned Russian on the govt's dime? n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #186 |
190. Frank Sturgis was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #190 |
232. James Braden was there! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #181 |
222. The Zapruder film was suppressed for ten years and manipulated before release. n/t |
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MagickMuffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
13. Bill Praxton got to see JFK in Fort Worth before Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
14. This would make a good scene in the production... |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Re: This would make a good scene in the production... |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-21-09 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. Too bad. Bugliosi might be right about Bush, but I don't buy his view of the JFK assassination. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Why not? Don't you like scientific evidence? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I like eyewitness accounts. I like scientific evidence, particularly when |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Eyewitness accounts are seldom as reliable as forensic evidence, no more so |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. To be fair to the doctors at Parkland |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'm for being fair to the Parkland doctors. It's the JFK CTists |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I'm sure there are many ER docs who could cite just how unreliable medical assessments are by |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Of course, the only "magic bullets" are those proposed by the CTists. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Nellie and John Connally were both there: in the car. Arlen Specter was not. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. You really are hung up on the magic bullet. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Occam's Razor, I say again. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. But you are misapplying it. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. No, I'm not. Read the link. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. So you agree that the trajectory is possible, then? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:10 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Well, there's at least that. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I don't know that Oswald shot anybody. Nobody does since Ruby killed Oswald. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Well, you can. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:20 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. How can you say the MC couldn't have got 3 shots off in 8.5 seconds |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
174. Oswald knew too much. Ruby fingered people in high positions in Washington. n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #86 |
106. Question: if the bullet that hit Connally was not the bullet that also hit JFK, then: |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #106 |
165. What about the windsheild on the limo? Replaced to cover up that a slug had hit it from the front.. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #86 |
164. Not possible at all! There were 3-4 teams on station for the shooting. n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. Boy, you're wrong on so much that it's impossible to know where to start. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #83 |
178. JFK also had a non-through and through wound to the neck! n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Which drawing accurately depicts how JFK & Connally were seated in the limo? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. One thing to add to that bottom picture |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Yes, you're right. The photographic evidence from that day |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #65 |
200. Oswald throwing box-cutters is more believable than the magic bullet! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
163. There was a wound to JFK's back which was not through and through! |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. The credentials of the Bethesda pathologists were fine. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. I just finished reading the testimony of Humes to the Warren Commission |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #81 |
101. Thanks for the link to Humes' testimony. I invite everyone to click on the link |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #81 |
116. Interesting how you question the ability of a board-certfied pathologist |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
117. "This is a career military guy being told what to do and what to say." |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
118. Here ya go: |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well, they have to, as you say. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
162. I don't like doctored scientific evidence! n/t |
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robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. "has anyone ever just told this story without bias, without an agenda" |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. "I'm Tom Hanks. The US Government has lost its credibility, so it's borrowing some of mine." |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Such devastating evidence you have against Hanks here. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. It's not presented as "evidence." It's a caricature. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. So it's a content-free smear of Tom Hanks because he disagrees with you. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. No, it's the script from "The Simpsons Movie." |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Glad to see you sticking with the normal ploy of the JFK CT crowd |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
166. Glad to see you treat the official version as a latter day Holy Bible! n/t |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. Will the anti-Castro pigeons be included? |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
173. Coup! Coup! That explains all the droppings found on James Brading's jacket! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
198. If there is a heaven, Bill Hicks is there (along with JFK)! n/t |
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
32. Lets check out this picture to see if it is Poppy |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
33. "I found out Vincent Bugliosi was just about to release a book which is unbelievable" |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You needn't hope, as there is no chance. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Silly stuff. IMO, your "hope" is that an evidence-based series won't run because |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. An "evidence based series"? Gee, why don't you just call it a documentary? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Why not read Bugliosi's book to gain a point of reference? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Have you read John Newman? David Talbott? PD Scott? Joan Mellon? Salandria? |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:19 PM Original message |
My reading list on JFK doesn't mirror yours exactly, |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Why do I need to? Am I offering one-off silly characterizations of them? |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
213. Riddle me this... NSM-263 and 'The Gulf of Tonkin'... DO NOT EQUATE! n/t |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Good on you. Hubby got seriously into researching the JFK assassination |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. My GOD! Will the JFK cover-up crew stop at NOTHING to keep the |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. So you think that mnhtnbb’s house burning down is cause for mockery and stupid jokes? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Deleted message |
mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Thanks. Some people are so insensitive. Talked to hubby at dinner |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #84 |
119. That would be this, |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
182. Well said. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
167. The truth is out there. It was regecide pure and simple! n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. That greater-than-zero chance, with which I agree with you on |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I'll take John Newman over Posner... |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
183. Oswald was also an FBI informant. He warned Agent James Hosty of the plot well beforehand. n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Just wondering, do you wish that Oliver Stone's JFK had never been released? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. No, because it was a good movie, whereas Tom Hanks is the King of Suck. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. ROFL |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. I agree that JFK was a good movie, maybe even a great movie. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
184. Oliver Stone got a lot right. Even today though the coverup is still being perpetuated. n/t |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Still sticking with your limited hangout, huh? |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
199. Here! Here! Although LBJ - the major benefactor - had records sealed until 2027! n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Did you read it, or are you talking through your hat, as do 99% of the |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. I read about 1/2 to 3/5 of it before finding it too annoying to go on |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Well, at least you're admitting that you didn't read the whole thing, |
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Big Orange Jeff (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. "Both Bugliosi and the Warren Commission never set out to prove who..." |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Au contraire, the WCR specifically stated that it could NOT rule out |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #61 |
197. The FBI and the CIA - amongst others, e.g. James Greer & Roy Kellerman - misled the WC often. n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
62. You should walk through his summary of the evidence against Oswald shooting Kennedy. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I don't doubt that Oswald was involved |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. If Oswald was a patsy, why did he tell so many provable lies under questioning? |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #70 |
111. I would love to have heard an audio-tape of Oswald's testimony. Of course, there is no audio tape |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. There are written transcripts, though, which was common practice at the time. |
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Sweet and Spicy (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
121. If Oswald wasn't a patsy? What was an impostor doing in Mexico City pretending to be Oswald? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #121 |
140. There wasn't. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
202. Indeed there was. The CIA released the photo. There was another imposter in NO and Dallas!!! n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
195. Since when do trained intelligence operatives tell the truth? n/t |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. JFK was only hit by two bullets, both fired by Oswald - that's seen in Bugliosi's summary |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Yes, the evidence in the case is much more riveting than |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. The military routinely gives the "sharpshooter" grade |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Oswald's score book showed him hitting the target 48 out of 50 shots at 200 yards. |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. I don't remember my score because I didn't give a fuck. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Oswald shot at a target whose outline represented the head and shoulders. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
122. BTW - the motorcade route was not changed from the map |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. If Oswald was going to shoot the best shot would have been head on |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Totally wrong. How would it have been a better shot at JFK head on |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #129 |
137. A true believer |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Funny how the evidence and the actual events of the day are convoluted to you, |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #137 |
148. BTW, do you still stand by the "facts" you relayed above when you said, |
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chicago legal pro (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. I don't care if you wait or not. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. Remind me never to hire you as a legal pro. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #152 |
192. You'd probably prefer a 'mobbed-up' lawyer to improve your chances? n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #150 |
196. True believers don't require facts. Believe hard enough and your prayers will be answered! |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #129 |
223. Totally right (in more ways than one!). Why did the Secret Service all but step down? n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #72 |
189. Bugliosi has simply not done enough research. Only two bullets... laughable. n/t |
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Faygo Kid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
123. I was in Mrs. Burgoyne's 7th grade history class. Don't screw this up, people.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:31 AM Response to Reply #208 |
215. GLD's? How about... 'Born-again-believers in box-cutters-and-lone-nuts'.! n/t |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
212. If they're gonna do a JFK assassination film, they should base it on John Davis' book: |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #212 |
216. Marcello - 'the Mafia' - was a player in the hit. The mob went on to hijack 'Wall Street. n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #212 |
217. A fantasy film on the assassination has already been made - Stone's JFK. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. stopbush, it's been a few years since I read the Davis book, but I am absolutely positive |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. You may be right. My recollection is that Davis does shoot down much of the craziness, |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. I believe you're correct that some of the ideas in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" were part |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #221 |
228. The doctors at Parkland didn't even see the entracnce wound on JFK's back, |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #217 |
225. Tell me about Division Five of the FBI (Guy Bannister etc.). n/t |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
218. Yawn..... will the boomer brigade (led by Hanks and Spielberg) please get over |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:15 AM Response to Reply #218 |
226. Their eagerness for fact or fiction? n/t |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. Fact or fiction is irrelevant -- it is the focus on their own generation's mania |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. I'll agree with you that this thread is in need of a magic bullet! |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #229 |
233. Here it is.... bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! and possibly bang! and bang! n/t |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #227 |
231. Yep. Who needs historians at all? It's all past history. All water under the bridge. |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #231 |
235. See my other posts to understand my point-- I'm a big fan of history... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #218 |
230. That wouldn't be anything like a person of your generation (whatever that is) |
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Malikshah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. Having suffered my adult life, starting with the self-congratulatory Big Chill |
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