Anthrax, Bruce Ivins Case Research-Resource Thread - Update & Rate Please

[autorank]

This is an incomplete listing of the posting on DU about the anthrax - Bruce Ivins case. I apologize if I left your thread out but just ad it below.

If you post or see a post on this case, why not just post a reply to this thread with the title and link?

If you see a news story on this case, just post that if you want.

Now the story is changing and I think a lot of that was anticipated here by posters and those who replied with such incisive comments.

The Incomplete Story So Far

Suspect in 2001 anthrax attacks kills himself, rainbow4321, 8/1

My two cents on the Anthrax Suicide - from a former spook -- NightWatcher, 8/2

Anthrax killer: Who is Jean C. Duley? -- Screembloodymurder, 8/2

2 good NPR reports on anthrax - clearance, colleagues, family harassment -- JoeIsOneOfUs, 8/2

FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials -- dminks, 8/3

Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax -- cal04, 8/3

MORE from Dr. Nass on the Duley testimony regarding Ivins! This blog SMOKES!!! -- BeHereNow, 8/3

Anthrax/ABC and Bentonite -- Just figured this one out -- defendandprotect, 8/3

Scientists Question FBI Probe On Anthrax (WAPO) -- kpete, 8/3

More Greenwald: Journalists, their lying sources, and the anthrax investigation deminks, 8/3

THE BIOWAR STORY NOT TOLD IN THE AFTERMATH OF A SCIENTIST'S "SUICIDE" -- kpete 8/3

Ivins Therapist Duley in Articles on Overdoses - One called "The Legal Killers" -- autorank, 8/3

So the guy threatening her is dead but now she's hiding out. -- autorank, 8/3

Daschlel criticizes anthrax investigation -- struggleforprogress, 8/3

NPR: Media reports indicating Anthrax scientist Ivins was going to be indicted imminently are False -- Sabra, 8/4

[BeHereNow]

1. Excellent Compilation autorank! Thanks for putting it all on one thread!

Strange thing though- glitch in the machine or something~
I just tried to recommend it, but I go a message telling me
I already had?
I just now saw it, so I'm not sure how I could have already recommended it!

BHN

[autorank]

3. Psychic tech abounds;)

Some good stuff out there, yours in particular. The press will catch up hopefully and, hey, they can lurk for free;)

[orleans]

38. that's ok--i recommended it twice (for both of us)

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on edit: and i tried posting this to you two times and it was telling me i had already posted to you--i kept refreshing but it wasn't helping.

[Vanje]

2. Who will make the movie?

I'd like to see David Chase (The Sopranos) do it.
He has a way with complex story involving lots of characters, He makes each character unforgettable.
His casting is great. No. Better than great. His casting is omnipotent.

His music selections are sublime.
Also, some of the story happened in New Jersey.

Also : Steve Buscemi as Dr Ivins.

OMG! What a movie this would make!

DUers are surprisingly connected.

Does anyone actually have any connection with anyone involved with production of the Sopranos?

[autorank]

5. Buscemi as Ivins - prefect

Chase would be excellent too. Or maybe the guy who did "Twin Peaks" - David Lynch.

[EFerrari]

4. Most of reporting uncritically based on Duley's restraining order - suffragette

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3724189

[sabra]

6. 10-15-2001:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3725877&mesg_id=3726162

[MinM]

16. Here's an addition to that...

thanks and :kick:'n R

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x374080#374679

[MinM]

111. Emptywheel: Anthrax Timeline

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/04/anthrax-timeline/

[EFerrari]

7. Today Show this morning: Anthrax suspect’s colleague blames FBI (8/04) --- OmmSweetOmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3727796

[peacetalksforall]

8. Thanks for this. I'm glad you care. K n R

[autorank]

9. Most welcome. Glad to do it. There's much more and it's showing up. n/t

[DeepModem Mom]

10. NOT A JOKE: Ivins obsessed with Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority

AP: Officials: Sorority obsession seen in anthrax case
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92BLCVG0&show_article=1

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. Completely ridiculous

"U.S. officials said e-mails or other documents detail Ivins' long-standing fixation on the sorority."

Let's see them immediately. I can't imagine why such documents would have any national security implications, so there is ZERO reason for the FBI NOT to release these documents right fucking now, and let the public see what their tax dollars are paying for.

[Truth2Tell]

19. Sorry...

the dog ate them. But trust us... he was friggin' OBSESSED with those girls in Princeton! That's why he mailed the letters from there... naturally.

[Wizard777]

39. I wonder if his obsession was owning all the Girls Gone Wild tapes?

[Wizard777]

37. Wouldn't his coworkers have known of this obsession?

Why would he have mailed from a location that could be connected to him? Unless someone wanted it to be connected to him. They've already got the wrong guy once. So why not again? Sure lightning never strikes the same place twice. But as they said on the TV show That's Incredible. Lightning never strikes the same place twice. Unless it's the top of this guys head. Then it strikes the same place 11 times.

[BeHereNow]

45. Apparently, what his co-workers knew doesn't mean squat.

What REALLY matters is what the anonymous US officials know.
Uh-huh.

BHN

[NightWatcher]

51. wow, what's next. has he been seen eating babies or burning flags?

this is pretty deseperate.

Ivins' whereabouts unknown during the kidnapping of the Lindburgh Baby.....hmmmm. Another case closed

[HCE SuiGeneris]

11. Great resource!

Kicked and recommended

[seemslikeadream]

12. Thanks so much autorank

I just got out of the hospital, so much to catch up on, you made this one very easy. :hi:

[autorank]

22. Glad your back. Take care and watch for ducks;) :hi:

[hootinholler]

50. HAWAT? Missus Hawiggins, hawhy hawere you in the hospital der?

Insert Tim Conway photo here.

:o



-Hoot

[Truth2Tell]

14. Sorority obsession seen in anthrax case

From the AP:

What a strange tale...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3423430

The top suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks was obsessed with a sorority that sat less than 100 yards away from a New Jersey mailbox where the toxin-laced letters were sent, authorities said Monday. Multiple U.S. officials told The Associated Press that former Army scientist Bruce Ivins was long obsessed with the sorority Kappa Kappa Gamma, going back as far as his own college days at the University of Cincinnati.

The officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The bizarre link to the sorority may indirectly explain one of the biggest mysteries in the case: why the anthrax was mailed from Princeton, N.J., 195 miles from the Army biological weapons lab the anthrax is believed to have been smuggled out of.

[BeHereNow]

32. Yeah and Scott Ritter was an Internet pedophile- anonymous officials said so.

What utter bullshit these people are throwing out
for mass consumption.

They must be REALLY scared of something to be so desperate
as to continue with this tripe, as though it were actual news.

BHN

[deminks]

15. WTF? Ivins was obsessed with a sorority in Princeton?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3728800&mesg_id=3728800

[BeHereNow]

31. How can you doubt anonymous US officials?

They ALWAYS tell the truth, don't ya know?


:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:sarcasm:
BHN

[deminks]

17. Officials: Sorority obsession seen in anthrax case

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3728849&mesg_id=3728849

[peacetalksforall]

43. Want to be intrigued?

About a year ago -

Imus Rutgers New Jersey

This summer -

Ivins Princeton New Jersey

I'm not saying there is any connection.

My purpose in associating this is because:

both names start with an I and end in an S and
both schools are in New Jersey
both have a certain notoriety

Just looked it up -
Imus April 2007 more than a year ago.
Ivins August 2008 (not sure when this Princeton thing first began on the internet)

[deminks]

18. "Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3727237&mesg_id=3727237

[suffragette]

20. Great idea to compile items into one thread

Thanks for doing this autorank!

[autorank]

21. Remember Collin Powell telling the UN about Anthrax in Feb 2003? - Botany 8/4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3727731

Now "they" knew that the Anthrax that was used in America in 2001 was from
Ft. Detrick, MD and yet Powell stood up and talked about Saddam's mobile
bio-weapons factories in 2003 to the U.N.?

[EFerrari]

23. Ivins LTTE (Frederick News-Post:

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78274

[Supersedeas]

26. yep

[SpookyCat]

24. K & R...thanks autorank... n/t

[shireen]

25. k & r & b

bookmarked .... I hope people will add links to this thread, even if it's a link to a new thread about these threads ...

[robertpaulsen]

27. Thank you. Here are mine.

(ABC News) EXCLUSIVE: Anthrax Suspect Under Scrutiny Since 2002 (assisted FBI anthrax investigation)
sabra 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3419599

Glenn Greenwald: Vital unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News
MinM 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=374080

One Month After 9/11, McCain Said Anthrax ‘May Have Come From Iraq,’ Warned Iraq Is ‘The 2nd Phase'
marmar 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3714966

Anthrax, Saddam and ABC News
Phoebe Loosinhouse 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3714643

NBC News: DOJ is expected to make decision with in days whether to close anthrax investigation
sabra 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3715993

The Smoking Gun has Documents re the Anthrax Suspect
Cheney Killed Bambi 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3715563

ANTHRAX & ABC: They’re not protecting “sources.”-They're protecting "fabricators and liars"
kpete 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3717402

I think Bruce Ivins was Murdered I mean Suicided
LeighAnn 8/2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3718959

No Autopsy for Bruce E. Ivins (Anthrax "killer")...Case Closed.
Junkdrawer 8/2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3719816

Anthrax suspect would have gotten vaccine royalties
deminks 8/2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3719123

MUST Read- Dr. Meryl Nass, MD on Ivins "Suicide."
BeHereNow 8/2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3720371

"Whole Load Of Crap"-Larisa Alexandrovna Has Low Down On "Therapist" To The Anthrax Suspect
kpete 8/4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3727237

Then there's my two threads:

Larisa Alexandrovna: More terrorism, of the bio-right-wing kind?
robertpaulsen 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3716515

Focus Should be on Cheney in the Wake of the Anthrax Suspect "Suicide"
robertpaulsen 8/1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3715949

[autorank]

44. Thanks! Great stuff! n/t

[robertpaulsen]

47. You're welcome. Has anyone started a thread on this one by Larisa?

August 02, 2008
A Suggestion to FBI Investigators, RE: Anthrax...

I had trouble sleeping last night because one question (among many) that had long bothered me for years began to resurface regarding the 2001 Anthrax attacks on this nation. I don't know (actually I doubt) if the FBI has considered something interesting about the location of the mail box used to send the letters, post-dated September 18, 2001, specifically its location. Let's examine a few facts about the letters and their envelopes before I make my suggestion, as it will make more sense once we review the data:

1. The first set of letters were sent from Trenton, New Jersey
2. At least 1 letter was dated 9/11/2001
3. The envelopes, the first batch, were post-marked 9/18/2001

#2 and #3 would suggest that the letters were both written and stuffed with Anthrax spores sometime between 9/11/2001 and the early morning of 9/18/2001.

Now let's consider that anyone having had the ability to use (and somehow obtain) powered Anthrax, would also not want to be traveling long distances with the substance. So what kept nagging me all this time is why New Jersey? Of all the places to be right after 9/11, the last place for a bio-terrorist to be would be anywhere near the tri-state area, which was by then crawling with military, FBI, police, etc. I could not get near my apartment for 3 weeks, which was on Broad St. When I finally got to my neighborhood, I was stopped several times by military officers asking to see my ID, what my purpose was, and insisting on examining my packages (food I had to go above 14th to get). And I am a blond, downtown-type, that is to say, not someone who would fit the profile of a Muslim extremist. In other words, they were stopping everyone, elderly, male, female, black, white, brown, green or otherwise. The entire tri-state area was crawling with every government agency one can thing of. So I always found the Trenton location an odd choice for a bio-terrorist, who would have to risk being stopped or risk traveling with such a lethal set of packages.

What this also had always suggested to me is that the terrorist traveled by car, because one would have to carry on board a plane a lethal weapon that a). might be discovered, b). might leak, c). might get confiscated without anyone knowing what it was. There are far too many "ifs" and especially after 9/11, when airports looked like military outposts. Someone smart enough not to leave fingerprints would also be smart enough to use a car, not fly in/out with the substances.

So if the suspect was traveling by car, and likely not going a long distance with such a stash, then that could place the suspects whereabouts within the tri-state area itself between 9/11-9/18. This had always bugged me because how would one even start looking for someone with this type of expertise (50-100 people in the US, maybe) be located? Were there bio-weapons conferences going on in New York, New Jersey, or CT? Was there a a guest lecturer at any of the Universities during that time or scheduled around that time?

What suddenly struck me yesterday when Ft. Detrick was identified with a suspect for the third time now (the last two being apparently cleared before first being smeared) is that on September 12, 2001 New York was scheduled to host a joint "war game" or excerice with the New York Police Department and FEMA. The "game" they were scheduled to run was a bio-weapons incident in the city of New York.

Here is what suddenly struck me last night (and I am sure someone, somewhere before me has thought of this already): Red X and Tripod II.

In May of 2001, the city of NYC was told that we would be part of an exercise to test our emergency preparedness against a biological attack. This is nothing new, these types of drills are often done and are much needed to be prepared for an emergency (be it drills to test hurricane evacuation methods or wild fires, etc.). There is nothing sinister about these drills, so don't get crazy on me. Anyway, this May exercise was called Operation Red Ex (or Red X). What I had forgotten was that a similar operation was scheduled for September 12, 2001, called Operation Tripod II. Here is an account of OEM staff getting ready for the Tripod exercise:

"September 11 was going to be a busy day at the OEM. Staff members arrived early to prepare for Operation Tripod, an exercise that would test the plan to distribute antibiotics to the entire city population during a bioterrorism attack. The exercise was planned for September 12, with police and fire department cadets to be used as the simulated civilian population. Pier 92 was set up as a model distribution station where the "victims" of the mock attack who needed to receive antibiotics would be treated.

The OEM staff heard a plane fly over their building, an unusual sound at that location, then they heard a popping noise. The kevlar-lined walls of the Emergency Operations Center deadened the sound of the plane crashing into the 110-story North Tower, directly across from the OEM offices in World Trade Center Building 7. When the building shook at 8:46, New York City Police Department (NYPD) Inspector John Odermatt, OEM's Commissioner, thought the event might have been a freak accident involving a ground-to-air missile. OEM staff members began to open the Command Center on the twenty-third floor, but moments later, they received a message that an airplane had hit the North Tower. From their window, the OEM staff could see the fireball and could see people running from the building, as paper floated through the air. At 9:03, a second plane hit the South Tower. Forty minutes later, a third plane struck the Pentagon. The nation was under attack."

The exercise had everyone in hazmat suits and there was even a mini bio lab created as part of the stage craft. So no one would have thought it odd that someone in a hazmat suit was playing with powder in a lab, it was an exercise, so why would they not be, right? Now, to get from NYC to Ft. Detrick one would take the I95 route, which would take them through where? Trenton. Look at the map to the left (click to enlarge). A four hour trip.

My suggestion for the FBI is to find out what scientists were part of Tripod II, narrow down which ones drove the 4 hour path back to Ft. Detrick, and then you might get some answers.

http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/a-suggestion-to.html

[KoKo]

28. Thanks...it's great to have them in one place.

McCorporate Media is spewing lies and disinformation so it will be hard to keep it all straight without hunting from Blog to Blog to get the latest revelations. :thumbsup:

[Truth2Tell]

29. Interesting summary at TruthOut

by Bill Simpich
The Anthrax Attacks: Sunlight Is the Best Disinfectant

http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anthrax-attacks-sunlight-is-best-disinfectant

The stuff about Gary Matsumuto is interesting. This guy seems a bit fishy himself.

...

Ivins's work is the focus of a 2004 book by Gary Matsumuto, "Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers." Matsumoto is not shy about making controversial statements, which only adds to the aura of intrigue around both Ivins and himself.

The premise of "Vaccine A" is that since the 1991 Gulf War US soldiers have been unwittingly exposed to a "second-generation" experimental anthrax vaccine designed by Ivins and his colleagues, which improperly contained an oil-based substance known as squalene. Matsumuto and others claim squalene is the main cause of the autoimmune disorder known as "Gulf War Syndrome." From 1991 to the present day, many soldiers have refused to submit to military vaccinations for anthrax for fear of contracting Gulf War Syndrome. There are strong arguments on both sides of the squalene dispute, and this is an ongoing controversy.

The work of Bruce Ivins is known to many of these vets - especially those who suffered Gulf War Syndrome, or those who were court-martialed for refusing to use the vaccine in fear it was tainted. It is intriguing that Matsumoto paid special attention to Ivins, claiming that Ivins knew that the experimental oil-boosted vaccine "can provoke toxic, allergic, ulcerative, or lethal reactions."

Matsumoto's 2004 book focuses on Ivins as the man with the motive to be pushing to get approval for the new second-generation vaccine.

Much more http://www.truthout.org/article/the-anthrax-attacks-sunlight-is-best-disinfectant">here.

[autorank]

46. Hmmm....

So they need to solve the anthrax case and also create cover for the cause of Gulf War Syndrome.

Ivins is a "twofer" - he takes the hit on anthrax and when the GW syndrome story makes it, there is
all this huge surprise and regret that there was such a "lunatic" working on it - must have been his
fault. That's just a bookmark of sorts off of your reply but it's interesting isn't it that this
guy could do so much for them - dead ...

[Truth2Tell]

48. Yep, and it's interesting

that Matsumoto went on to become involved in the anthrax case. In fact, back in 2001, when Brian Ross and ABC were hyping the bentonite angle, Gary Matsumoto helped them write the story:

...during the last week of October, 2001, ABC News, led by Brian Ross, "continuously trumpeted the claim" that government tests conducted on the anthrax at Fort Detrick showed the anthrax sent to Sen. Majority Leader Tom Daschle contained bentonite (a clay substance used as a fluidized agent in the preparation of powders). Ross was assisted by Gary Matsumoto in their October 26 story.

...

On November 1, 2001, Matsumoto wrote a second article for ABC that backs off the bentonite story just a bit as "unproven," but continues to hammer the "possible Iraq connection." A year later, on October 28, 2002, with a possible war with Iraq in the offing, Matsumoto wrote http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28334-2002Oct27">an article in The Washington Post offering a fallback argument for Iraqi involvement based on silica instead of bentonite.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A28334-2002Oct27">More

So the same guy who hounded Dr. Ivins in the late 90s about his role in the Gulf War Syndrome case is all of a sudden helping Brain Ross write stories in 2001 that desperately and falsely attempt to link the anthrax crimes to Iraq.

Some kinda weird.

[Jeroen]

30. K&R

[sabra]

33. Fox News obtains 2005 email by Ivins claiming anthrax powder from letters matched Fort Detrick

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3729350

[Truth2Tell]

34. A new tip from Larisa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3729326

From a comment on the at-Largely blog:

I have been a close friend of Dr. Bruce Ivins for years. The FBI needed a scapegoat, especially after Stephen Hatfill, whose foot the FBI ran over, won a $5.2 M lawsuit against them.

The new FBI director needed a capture in this case. So, they took all of the Ft. Detrick anthrax researchers and put them under intense interrogation.

Bruce was a mild, meek and sensitive scientist. The FBI showed his clinically depressed daughter, who was institutionalized in a mental hospital, photos of the anthrax victims, and said "your father did this." They offered his son $2.5 M and a sportscar if he would "rat" on his father.

Bruce could not stand stand up to the constant harrasment by the FBI. So we have lost a very talented researcher, so that the FBI can close the case...

Posted by: Dr. Gerry Higgins | August 04, 2008 at 07:02 AM

More http://www.atlargely.com/2008/08/an-anthrax-tip.html">here.

[Truth2Tell]

36. Evidently this Dr. Gerry Higgins

is
Chief Medical Officer of a company with ties to the DOD called Hypercosm:

http://www.hypercosm.com/company/people/higginsg.html

DR. GERRY HIGGINS is the U.S. Vice President of Research and Development, Laerdal Medical Corporation and Director of the Digital Human Project for the Federation of American Scientists. His vast experience in medical simulation and visualization includes positions as the Director of Imaging Applications for Hoffman-La Roche and Director of Biomedical Visualization for HT Medical Systems (now Immersion Medical). Dr. Higgins has been responsible for the product development and management of a number of medical simulators, including the MedicTrainer Simulation Trainer, CathSim Needle Insertion Simulator, Roche Pathology Workstation, AutoCyte, ImageManager Telepathology Workstation, and Zeiss Vidas/IBAS Microscopy Image Analysis Workstation.

Dr. Higgins has served as the principal investigator on a number of ongoing and recently competed research support projects with the U.S. Army for Meta-Analysis and Planning of Sim-Trauma (2000), Refined Training Tools for Medical Readiness (2003) and Limb Simulator for Hemorrhage Control (2003), the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) Surgical Simulation for Combat Trauma Training, STTR Phase II (2001), Bio/SPICE Project for Cell Modeling and Simulation (2003), and Biomedical requirements for high productivity computing systems (2003), the National Science Foundation for The Digital Human: Towards a Unified Ontology for Biomedical Modeling and Simulation (2003), and the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Scalable Simulation Training and Evaluation Platform (STEP) for Medical Skills (2003).

Dr. Higgins received his Ph.D. in Anatomy and Neurobiology from the University of Vermont College of Medicine, and has a M.S. in Computer Graphics from the University of Maryland and an M.S. in Biomedical Marketing from the Fuqua School of Business at Duke University. His medical career includes appointments as Visiting Scientist, Central Research and Development Dept., E.I. du Pont de Nemours & Co., Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Department of Molecular Biology, Scripps Research Institute, Associate Professor, Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy, University of Rochester School of Medicine, and the Chief of Molecular Neurobiology Section, National Institute on Aging, National Institutes of Health. Dr. Higgins has been honored with a NIH Postdoctoral Fellowship, Hereditary Disease Foundation Postdoctoral Fellowship, American Health Assistance Foundation and the Pew Charitable Fellowship. He has also received the prestigious Mallinckrodt Scholar Award for Excellence in Science.

[BeHereNow]

40. Clearly the resume of a liar... unlike the "anonymous US official quoting MSM.

I'll take the accomplished Dr. Higgins' word over the crap on the network news any day.

BHN

[Marie26]

87. Higgins seems like the source for the NY Times story

The story repeats what Higgins said about bribery attempts & intimidation of family members w/almost the same language.

[malaise]

35. Great thread

K & R

[sabra]

41. AP has concluded that Ivins killed himself because investigators were closing in

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/04/national/main4320091.shtml

In the past year, the FBI has turned a close eye on Ivins, whom a therapist said had a history of homicidal and sociopathic behavior. Prosecutors had planned to indict Ivins and seek the death penalty but, knowing investigators were closing in, he killed himself with an overdose of acetaminophen, the key ingredient in Tylenol.

And how does the AP know this?

[BeHereNow]

42. Anonymous US officials told them so.

Now return to your network news channel
and stop making sense.

BHN

[Muttocracy]

49. thanks!

[SalviaBlue]

52. K&R

Thank you for this thread!

[robertpaulsen]

53. Grand Jury Investigating the Anthrax Attacks? Who's the Prosecutor?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3730203

[formercia]

54. Shoving the shit back into the horse.

Not going to work this time. Too many people are calling bullshit on the official story.

What really gets me is the decision not to hold an autopsy when most states REQUIRE an autopsy in an unattended death.

If you're not in a hospital or under hospice care and there is any question, the law says to do an autopsy.

Too many people watch Forensic Files these days to try that old cover-up scam.

[deminks]

55. Pentagon gives Ivins an award in 2003 (photo)

Ran across this photo with an interesting caption.



Bruce Ivins, seen in this photograph taken during an award ceremony at a Pentagon ceremony March 14, 2003 where Ivins was awarded the Decoration for Exceptional Civilian Service, which is equivalent to the Distinguished Service Medal for military service, took an overdose of painkillers and died on July 29, 2008 in an apparent suicide. Ivins, 62, who worked for the last 18 years at government biodefense research laboratories at Fort Detrick, Maryland, was close to being charged in connection with a series of deadly anthrax attacks in 2001, according to federal law enforcement officials.
REUTERS/USAMRIID/Handout (UNITED STATES)

So why did the Pentagon give him an award? Equivalent to the Distringuished Service Medal? If they suspected him all along? If he was a homicidal maniac? If he was obsessed with getting even with women?

[wordpix]

56. add to this Gerald Posner interview by Olbermann 8/4---unfuckingbelievable

If you get a chance to watch it tonight, please do. Otherwise, it should be posted on the Countdown site soon.

[KoKo]

86. Yes..the KO Summary and interview with Posner is a good watch for those who don't have time

to read all the latest news about this from different sites. I hope he stays on this since CNN and MSNBC aren't really reporting anything but what the Busholini's are leaking.

[deminks]

57. Anthrax victims express mixed emotions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3723033&mesg_id=3723033

[SpiralHawk]

58. The k and the r

Thank you, autorank!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

59. K&R.

[babylonsister]

60. Wow. Excellent job, autorank. Bookmarked; nice to have all this

info together.

[autorank]

74. Welcome.. How about that RobertPaulson

He contributed an entirely new OP;)

http://tinyurl.com/56amfx

Look how this has changed in a just 3 days.

[babylonsister]

76. Thanks for pointing that out; so much info!

Maybe I'll try to wade through them if I have power. It's a lot to absorb.
This is what is great about DU, and what attracted me to begin with. Inquiring minds want to know, dammit!
:hi:

[eridani]

61. Please put these links in the research section

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=358

Otherwise they will get archived and hard to find.

[Truth2Tell]

62. Brad Blog: The Purported 'Anthrax Killer', Was a Registered Democrat

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3730982

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6245

Bruce E. Ivins, reportedly on the verge of being indicted for capital murder in the anthrax killings, was a registered Democrat, according to the Fredrick County, MD Board of Elections. He had been registered there since 1982 and records indicate that he voted in "every election since 1996," including Democratic primaries, according to the official who responded to a request from West Virginia-based radio host Bob Kincaid.

The party affiliation of the bio-terror researcher who worked at U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Disease (USAMRIID) adds a notable twist to the ever increasing questions surrounding the bizarre case following Ivins' reported suicide last week. He was, according to media reports, soon to be indicted for charges related to the post-9/11 terror attacks that rocked the nation and, as Salon's Glen Greenwald has very effectively argued, served as crucial influence towards marching the country towards war with Iraq.

Last week, as the story of Ivins' reported suicide were breaking, The BRAD BLOG excoriated the corporate mainstream media for failing to note that the targets of the multiple post-9/11 terror attacks on American soil were primarily powerful men, perceived as "liberals" by the Republican rightwing. Nonetheless, despite two senior Democratic U.S. senators, Tom Daschle of SD and Patrick Leahy of VT, having been the only known governmental targets in the deadly letter campaign, which also included perceived "liberal" media figurehead Tom Brokaw, the MSM coverage --- almost uniformly --- failed to note the obvious correlations in the attacks. Most even failed to even mention the names of those who were directly targeted in what was clearly meant to appear as a follow-up attack from Muslim extremists.

Furthermore, as we also noted on Friday, despite a parade of reporters who had contacted Ivins' oldest brother Thomas that day for comment, not one of them --- until us --- bothered even to inquire about Bruce's political leanings or affiliations.

[arcadian]

63. Army Issues New Regulations on “Biological Surety”

I made a thread concerning this, but I'll post it here too. Good idea, by the way. :thumbsup:

********************************************************************************

Army Issues New Regulations on “Biological Surety” Re: Dr. Bruce E. Ivins

http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2008/08/biological_sure...

U.S. Army personnel who act in an aggressive or threatening manner towards other people would be denied access to toxic or lethal biological agents under newly revised regulations (pdf) that were issued by the Army last week.

Other potentially disqualifying personality traits include: “arrogance, inflexibility, suspiciousness, hostility,… and extreme moods or mood swings,” according to the new regulations. See “Biological Surety,” Army Regulation 50-1, 28 July 2008.

The late Fort Detrick scientist Dr. Bruce E. Ivins retained his security clearance and his laboratory access through July 10, the Washington Post reported today, despite allegations of erratic behavior and the fact that he was under FBI suspicion in connection with the 2001 anthrax attacks. The credibility of some of those allegations regarding Ivins’ behavior, however, is itself open to question, writes Glenn Greenwald in Salon today.

[KoKo]

64. Kick to get this through a few hours........hope others will keep king through night...

:kick:

[cal04]

65. Keith Olbermann and Gerald Posner

Digging deeper on the anthrax story
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26015772

[robertpaulsen]

102. Glad they are shining a spotlight on this.

When a guy like Gerald "Case Closed" Posner uses words like "Rush to Judgment" to describe what's happening with the anthrax investigation, you know something is rotten in the state of America.

[MinM]

110. Exactly...

While I don't trust Gerald Posner:
http://realhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/2008/08/keith-olbermann-gerald-posner-has-no.html

he seems to be playing it straight -- so far.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

66. This guy KNEW he was the patsy. I even wonder whether he may have attempted to solve this crime,...

,...in order to secure his own defense.

All I know is: sudden "wrap-up" immediately following a "suicide" is ALWAYS SUSPECT,...always.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

67. A question for research.

So, they claim that Ivins was the sole perpetrator. If that's the case, can we find any writing samples of his to compare to the letters the Anthrax was carried in?

[piedmont]

68. k&r This needs to stay on the collective DU mind.

This case gets more and more fishy with each passing day.

[cal04]

69. Exclusive: The Purported 'Anthrax Killer' Was a Registered Democrat

Exclusive: The Purported 'Anthrax Killer' Was a Registered Democrat
Source: BRAD BLOG
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3423908

[bleever]

70. For context, remember Cheney considered killing Americans to provoke Iran war.

From our friend seemslikeadream's post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x217781

[cal04]

71. Pressure Grows for F.B.I. to Show Anthrax Evidence

(snip)

As the investigation wore on, some colleagues thought the F.B.I.’s methods were increasingly coercive, as the agency tried to turn Army scientists against one another and reinterviewed family members.

One former colleague, Dr. W. Russell Byrne, said the agents pressed Dr. Ivins’s daughter repeatedly to acknowledge that her father was involved in the attacks.

“It was not an interview,” Dr. Byrne said. “It was a frank attempt at intimidation.”

Dr. Byrne said he believed Dr. Ivins was singled out partly because of his personal weaknesses. “They figured he was the weakest link,” Dr. Byrne said. “If they had real evidence on him, why did they not just arrest him?”

(snip)
“The investigators looked around, they decided they had to find somebody. They went after all of them but he looked the most susceptible to pressure,” Dr. Hedlund said. “It is like prisoners of war: if they are harassed enough, they will be driven to do anything. But I don’t believe he would have done what they say he did.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/washington/05anthrax.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1217905315-LoCSuyGAJKYG86eJa9dWkg

[Celebration]

72. Did FBI offer Ivin's son $2.5 M and a sportscar to rat on him?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3727944&mesg_id=3727944

[cal04]

73. Bizarre Details In The Anthrax Case - Loads Of Unanswered Questions

by dday
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/4/1445/79034/48/562347

There is a very coordinated push to leak details about the late Bruce Ivins to certify that he is the "lone nut" anthrax killer, details which don't entirely hold up upon scrutiny. There's definitely a desire on the part of the government to make this an open and shut case seven years after the fact, but it doesn't completely hold together. In fact, the media reports are almost all contradictory.

The LA Times is claiming that Ivins stood to make money off of an anthrax panic, because he invented some bioterror vaccines, but inside the article it's made clear that we're talking about not much more than ten thousand dollars. A social worker who worked as a therapist with Ivins was reportedly scared to death of him and claimed that he tried to poison people in the past, but the social worker, Jean Duley, has her own checkered past, with a long rap sheet, and apparently knew about the grand jury investigation, as it's in her restraining order against Ivins:

client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, actions, plans, threats & actions toward theripist. Dr. David Irwin his psychiatrist called him homicidal, sociopathic with clear intentions will testify with other details FBI involved, currently under investigation & will be charged with 5 capital murders. I have been subpoena to testify before a federal grand jury August 1, 2008 in Washington, D.C.

How would she know that before testifying? Why does she have intimate knowledge of the case? Why is she the recipient of FBI information?

The FBI is leaking to the LA Times that DNA evidence proves Ivins' guilt, and that after new genetic tests it was clear that only Ivins could have been the killer. But the New York Times Scott Shane calls the evidence circumstantial and that the grand jury was planning to continue to meet for weeks.

[Kaleko]

75. Sorority alumna denies Kappa members had anything to do with Ivins.

Sorority alumna denies any contact by Kappa members with Bruce Ivins

Anthrax Suspect Obsessed With Sorority,
Officials: Suspect Fixated On Sorority Near N.J. Mailbox Where Toxin-Laced Letters Were Sent

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/04/national/main...

Excerpt:

Katherine Breckinridge Graham, a Kappa alumna who serves as an adviser to the sorority's Princeton chapter, said Monday she was interviewed by FBI agents "over the last couple of years" about the case. She said she could not provide any details about the interview because she signed an FBI nondisclosure form.

However, Graham said there was nothing to indicate that any of the sorority members had anything to do with Ivins.

"Nothing odd went on," said Graham, an attorney.



More at the link above.

[ThoughtCriminal]

77. Memory hole - the pre-9/11 Antrax threats

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/terrorists/anthrax/13.html

[Name removed]

84. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

78. Giuliani Co. Cleaning Up Anthrax

(AP) Workers began pumping a potent chemical into the former headquarters of a supermarket tabloid Sunday to clean up the first target in a series of deadly anthrax attacks in 2001.

The cleanup is being led by BioONE, a company established by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and Sabre Technical Services, which decontaminated other buildings hit by anthrax attacks.

more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/10/national/main628671.shtml

[Julius Civitatus]

79. Questions and loose ends in anthrax case, Jane Duley's claims

My two cents:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3731730&mesg_id=3731730

[autorank]

85. First rate stuff - like it a great deal

See my comment there.

DU is really cooking on this one.

[OnyxCollie]

80. K&R. nt

[Norrin Radd]

81. kr

[judasdisney]

82. Democracy Now 8.04.08 should convince anybody

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/4/anthrax

The "therapist" isn't a therapist;

the "therapist" has a criminal record and is on probation;

Ivins had zero criminal record;

Hatfill is still being harassed by the FBI;

Hatfill's associates have been harassed by the FBI;

a doctor who worked with Ivins doesn't buy it.

[judasdisney]

83. in addition

that Democracy Now segment has further information that someone had tried to CIRCUMSTANTIALLY frame Hatfill IN ADVANCE --- must listen.

[autorank]

99. That's a must. Excellent. One addition that strengthens Greenwald's case for doubt

He referred to Duley as a "social worker." In fact, her degree is in social work but the title that she's qualified to use by her state credentials is as follows.

Certified Supervised Counselor-Alcohol and Drug (CSC-AD):
http://www.ceattc.org/md_certification.asp#CSC-AD

- At least 18 years of age
- Associates degree in Health or Human Services counseling field or completed a program of studies judged by the Board to be substantially equivalent in subject matter and extent of training
- 15 credits, including a minimum 1 credit Ethics in A&D counseling course
- 2 years, 2,000 hours. 1 year must be after the award of the degree
- MACCB/ICRC-AODA exam
- Practice under the supervision of a CPC-AD or other supervisor approved by the Board AND while an employee of a JCAHO or Maryland State accredited program

That's her license and that's what she can call herself. Were she a "social worker" with a clinical license, that would be a much higher level, e.g., LCSW, with real credibility, by license and what they're able to do.

The other stuff in there about her drunk driving is really amazing.

[LiberalHeart]

88. Ivins' "Blindfolded Woman" photo released ... link

http://www.statue.com/lady-justice-statues.html

[JohnyCanuck]

89. Dan Gillmor in The Guardian calls on ABC to come clean on sources for bogus anthrax info

Was the US public misled about the anthrax attacks?
ABC News should reveal the sources of its false report that the anthrax attacks after 9/11 were tied to Saddam Hussein


Dan Gillmor

ABC News' behaviour surrounding one of its biggest "scoops" is already an object lesson of what's wrong with American journalism. The news organisation has proved unwilling - so far, at any rate - to come clean about how it was manipulated in the 2001 (and later) investigation into the anthrax attacks in the US following September 11.

The network's hyperventilating broadcasts of leaked, false allegations purportedly tying the anthrax to Saddam Hussein's Iraqi regime (see Glenn Greenwald's meticulous examination of the coverage) was bad enough. What the organisation is doing now is journalistically unforgivable.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/04/terrorism.usa

Thread on this article in DU's GD forum here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3732645">Attn. ABC media whores. You are being called out for your anthrax lies in the UK press

[Lugnut]

90. K&R n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

91. Something is wrong about this whole thing.

[bertman]

92. Exceptional work, autorank. Thanks for posting this.

[autorank]

93. Thanks! I had no idea that there was so much.

And it keeps coming. This whole thing raises so many more questions than it answers.

Maybe MSM is lurking;)

[Catherine Vincent]

95. Isn't it odd that we hear different "facts" about this case every other day.

From this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3732487&mesg_id=3732487

A poster says that Ivins had some sort of machine for the spores. Before it was the sorority mailbox. Before that it was info about his daughter and son. And so on and so on. Why wasn't this info released at the same time? It's like they are reading up on what's being said in the blogosphere and when they are doubted they throw out another "fact" bomb.

[EFerrari]

101. People who work on vaccines use those machines.

And Ivins would have to check it out, leaving a record. The Post and the Times are talking about it as if he was doing something secretive when he wasn't.

[Catherine Vincent]

105. That's not surprising.

I knew there was a reasonable explanation about that.

[autorank]

103. You coin a great phrase -- "fact" bomb

I think that you are entirely on target. The "fact" bombs they're dropping are less impressive by
the day. The pressure to produce on this one must be immense.

I can't believe that they'd normallygo with someone like Duley in the lead. In fact, I think that the
feds may have been surpurised by Duley's request for a restraining order. It totally blows the mental
health accusations andmakes it so either: a) the feds shared their key case secrets (as she mentioned
in the magistrateshearing referring to date of indictment, etc.) or b) they never told her that and
she's just liedin court about Ivins and law enforcement involvement to serve herself.

If Duley is emerging as one of questionable credibility, as it seems, then it's proper to doubt
anything that she says. That would include not only the characterizations of Ivins mental health
and his threats but also anything that she said about the FBI.

Like that "fact" bomb - that should enter the common parlance pretty quickly.

[Catherine Vincent]

106. Yes. Why would they go with someone like Duley with the record she has?

Surely they knew everyone would be snooping. Check out the files on her with the state of Maryland:

http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquirySearch.jis

00656948D5 Duley, Jean C Defendant Rockville District Court CR
Closed 02/27/1992
62357V Duley, Jean C Plaintiff Montgomery County Circuit Court OTHER EQUITY CLOSED 07/31/1990
000000BD21118 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 02/16/2002
000000BX54981 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Rockville District Court Traffic Closed 01/24/2003
000000DA25595 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/07/2005
000000DY16915 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/21/2006
000000DY16916 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/21/2006
000000DY16917 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/21/2006
000000DY16918 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/21/2006
000000DY16919 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 04/21/2006
000000FB36661 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 12/23/2007
000000FB36662 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic PROBATION CASE 12/23/2007
000000FB36663 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 12/23/2007
000000FB36664 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 12/23/2007
000000P817740 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Rockville District Court Traffic Closed 10/11/1995
000000P817741 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Rockville District Court Traffic Closed 10/11/1995
000000V899806 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 02/20/1999
000000V899807 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 02/20/1999
000000V899808 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County District Court Traffic Closed 02/20/1999
00076958D0 Duley, Jean Carol Defendant Silver Spring District Court 02 CR Closed 10/17/1992
00656903D2 Duley, Jean Carol Plaintiff Rockville District Court CR Closed 03/02/1992
10K06040185 Duley, Jean Carol 03/1963 Defendant Frederick County Circuit Court Jury Trial Motor Vehicle Closed/Inactive 09/15/2006 State of Maryland vs JEAN CAROL DULEY

[EFerrari]

108. The Frederick paper reported today that the FBI told her to get

a restraining order, according to Greenwald. :shrug:

Eta: Here is a link to the piece. I don't find an explicit statement to that effect but only that she claims the FBI is concerned for her safety.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78406

[autorank]

115. Look at this - strange assumptions and possible b.s. on FBI suggestion to Duley

From your link to the Frederick Post story above -

Ivins and hospitalization:

"Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his (Ivins) attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --"

This is wrong, lacks any logic. You don't "check" yourself in to preserve the option to leave - IF YOU ARE A DANGER TO SELF AND OTHERS. That's the law everywhere. If there was a worry on Ivins and/or his attorney's part that he'd be detained once in the hospital, the voluntary or involuntary commitment would not be the issue. The issue would focus on the evaluation that took place. The fact that Ivins checked in, understandable given the intensity of the pressure, could be an argument in favor of his mental stability, e.g., 'he was so confident that he wasn't unstable, he checked himself into a major psychiatric hospital knowing that they'd release him after a respite period.'

That's what's bothersome about so much with Duley, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. By the logic of Duley's statement from Frederick paper, we would have this situation: Ivins voluntarily checks himself in at Shepard Pratt. They decide that he is all those things that she says he is. They want him to stay but Ivins says, 'Sorry, you can't make me do that since I checked myself in voluntarily which means, NO MATTER WHAT YOU FOUND ABOUT ME, I get to leave since I voluntarily admitted myself.'

And what's a "permanent commmittment?" You are given a life sentence in psychiatric care. People do get better. So by Duley's logic - Ivins is "permanently committed." He has a total recovery. They decide it was some chemical that caused a temporary break. But they can't let him go since he's "permanently committed." Give me a break!

------------------------

FBI Suggestions vs. Her Version of FBI Suggestions:

"She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it."

OK, why wouldn't the FBI be discreet about this and arrange for protection rather than go public with this. If the FBI did tell her to get a restraining order IN PUBLIC COURT hearings, that could indicate that Jean Duley wasn't all that important to them and they never thought she'd say all of this because they couldn't have thought it, hypothetically, since it's not true. Strange. She's a wild card.

-------------------------

[EFerrari]

116. The latter point is what suffragette and I figured out on Sunday.

And may be why it looks like she waited to get the order. She could have simply called the police and gotten an order very quietly. Instead, she WAITED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING -- and my guess is that FBI wanted the media storm that followed. But, she sure isn't a witness I'd put front and center. :shrug:

Eta: You're right about Duley's garbling just about everything about the committment. She makes no sense at all and it sounds as though she doesn't even know the law.

[autorank]

129. Her story is a very sad one for all involved.

I need to think about this some more. If the FBI wanted that out, wouldn't they have done the
tried and true anonymous source thing? Surely they had figured her out, knew about the drunk driving
and other problems. Dunno. However, if they bet on the gullibility of MSM, that's something I can
see but it still seems too risky. "All will be revealed" (not!)

[EFerrari]

130. I don't quite get it either. Anon. doesn't work as well

as a woman's voice saying she is scared to death? They couldn't have the audio AND anonymous. They had to choose? :shrug:

Maybe they thought they could manage the message.

And maybe they are being interfered with from above and aren't screwing this up on their own. I was struck at how readily the DoD spokesliar answered the Ivins questions today when his briefing was on another topic entirely . . .

There is something very out of control here and it isn't just Duley. It seems to me that it's also FBI leadership on this case. Their game plan is coming off sloppy and inept. Maybe FBI leadership doesn't have control of this case, really. :shrug:

[suffragette]

122. autorank, you really must go listen to the full audio tape

of the hearing.

It's the basis for much of the reporting, but most articles aren't specifying it as the source and are further paraphrasing or omitting crucial info from it.

There's a direct link to it in the thread of mine that sfexpat posted early in your thread. Wish I had titled it more clearly. My wording was awkward.

One point from it. In the artticle you cite, they wrote: "She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it."

Not inaccurate, but note the difference in what she said on the tape: In the audio, Duley notes that "my assigned FBI agent actually very much suggested that I get a protection order."

They left out the part that it was a specific agent assigned to Duley, according to her.

They also aren't including the odd segment where someone at the hearing questions Duley about Duley feeling the FBI can't protect her, a real WTF moment.

[autorank]

128. Good point.

I want to see how this tape and transcript rolled down hill, so to speak, and formed the initial
impression of Ivins. I'm surprised that she didn't call the agent 'my handler'.

I'm still struggling with the notion that the FBI would suggest that she get this order in open court
without their lawyer present to keep things under control. This really raises Hell with their case
and casts doubts on the validity of any subsequent charges.

I saw CNN today and they were just "breaking" the sorority story. Geez!

[LiberalHeart]

120. On the tape made during her court appearance she said the FBI urged it.

[EFerrari]

121. Thanks, LiberalHeart. I listened to that audio but

my memory wasn't good enough to fish that out. :)

[sabra]

94. Doubts about anthrax story (Survivors, relatives wonder if dead scientist was truly the culprit)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3424660

[Junkdrawer]

96. "The Ivins Anthrax Story is about to get very technical..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3732511&mesg_id=3732511

[deminks]

97. Greenwald Aug 5th: The FBI's emerging, leaking case against Ivins

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/08/05/anthrax/index.html?source=rss&aim=/opinion/greenwald

It's certainly possible that once the FBI closes its investigation and then formally unveils its evidence -- which apparently will happen tomorrow -- a very convincing case will be made that Bruce Ivins perpetrated the anthrax attacks and did so alone. But what has been revealed thus far -- through the standard ritual of selected Government leaks which the establishment media, which some exceptions, just mindlessly re-prints no matter how frivolous -- is creating the opposite impression. The FBI's coordinated leaking is making their claim to have solved the anthrax case appear quite dubious, in some instances laughably so.

One glaring and important exception to the dynamic of uncritical media recitation is this morning's New York Times article by Scott Shane and Nicholas Wade, which evinces very strong skepticism over the FBI's case thus far and discloses facts that create more grounds for skepticism. Given everything that has happened over the last seven years -- not just with the anthrax attacks but with countless episodes of Government deceit and corruption -- it's astonishing (and more than a little disturbing) how many people are willing, even eager, to assume that the Government's accusations against Ivins are accurate even without seeing a shred of evidence to support those claims.

When you add on to that the magnitude of this case and the ample reasons for error and deceit -- it's the first lethal bioterrorism attack on the U.S., one which, according to the Government itself, originated at a U.S. Government facility, perpetrated by a U.S. Army scientist, that was then used by numerous factions inside the Government and out to ratchet up fear levels and falsely blame Iraq and/or Al Qaeda for the attacks and, thereafter, was blamed on someone who appears to have been completely innocent -- what minimally rational person would be willing to assume that the Government's uncorroborated, unexamined, untested claims are accurate? In today's Los Angeles Times, Gabriel Schoenfeld of Commentary wrote:

[EFerrari]

113. emptywheel timeline:

Anthrax Timeline
By: emptywheel Monday August 4, 2008 5:49 pm


The media is finally beginning to question the story about Bruce Ivins (though Glenn is still schooling them). But here's a question I see no one asking, much less answering. The LAT reported that attention began to focus on Ivins in "late 2006" only after FBI Director Mueller changed the leadership team on the investigation.

Federal investigators moved away from Hatfill -- for years the only publicly identified "person of interest" -- and ultimately concluded that Ivins was the culprit after FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III changed leadership of the investigation in late 2006.

The FBI's new top investigators -- Vincent B. Lisi and Edward W. Montooth -- instructed agents to reexamine leads or potential suspects that may have received insufficient attention. Moreover, significant progress was made in analyzing genetic properties of the anthrax powder recovered from letters addressed to two senators.

What was it, I wonder, that caused the FBI to reverse course that at that point? I wanted to put together the details we know of Ivins with those revealed in Steven Hatfill's suit to see if I could figure out what changed in 2006 (one possibility, for example, is that in the course of defending against the Hatfill suit it became obvious they had the wrong guy).

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/04/anthrax-timeline/

[leveymg]

119. A Parallel Timeline - How BioPort (with Ivin's help) Grabbed a $billion Monopoly on Antrax Vaccine

IMPORTANT PARALLEL TIMELINE — MONOPOLY CONSOLIDATION OF ANTHRAX VACCINE MARKET

Can’t go into the details now, but Ivins was involved in anthrax vaccine development for three companies, Bioport/Emergent, Coley, and VaxGen. There seems to have been a recent struggle between two of them, BioPort/Emergent and VexGen, for a large part of $5.6 billion in federal biodefense contracts. The third company, Coley, licensed its vaccine additive to VaxGen in March, 2007. Vaxgen lost its federal contract in 2007, and in May 2008 was bought out by Emergent.

That leaves BioPort/Emergent the sole approved provider of anthrax vaccine. There are some historical details about BioPort that I won’t go into here that I’m sure you’re aware of.

Ivins worked on the BioPort vaccine after it manifested serious, widespread side-effects in the first Iraq War. That older vaccine was first developed in the 1950s, and was used on coalition troops in 1991 and is blaimed for Gulf War Syndrome. That vaccine is reportedly based on the Ames strain. Its production was suspended in the 1990s, but resumed in 2002-03, most recently 6 million doses were produced in 2006.

Ivins also had a role in upgrading a “vaccine additive” for a second company, Coley Pharmaceutical Group. Ivins was listed as one of two inventors of a biodefense-related product made by Coley that has won federal sponsorship. According to their still-pending application for a U.S. patent, the inventors hoped the additive would bolster certain vaccines’ capacity to prevent infections “from bioterrorism agents.”

From December 2002 to December 2003, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency committed $12 million for additional testing of the experimental additive. That research money was designated for Coley Pharmaceutical Group, which was developing the additive. The company was acquired last fall by Pfizer Corp.

A newer vaccine was developed with Ivin’s help by VaxGen. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) awarded VaxGen an $877 million contract in 2004 to produce 75 million doses of its second-generation anthrax vaccine for the Strategic National Stockpile. But HHS canceled the contract in December 2006, after problems with the vaccine’s stability caused the company to miss a deadline for starting a clinical trial.

VaxGen’s contract was the first awarded under Project BioShield, a $5.6 billion program to procure medical defenses against the effects of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons.

In March 2008, after the company’ stock crashed and burned, VaxGen sold its anthrax vaccine process to Emergent for a bargain price of $12 million. A year earlier, Emergent bought out Coley’s additive, VaxImmune vaccine adjuvant compound, making Emergent the sole potential competitor for BioPort, that still produces the only available anthrax vaccine.

Only one thing, Emergent is BioPort.

And, yes, did I tell you that BioPort/Emergent’s investors included the Carlyle Group and the bin Laden family? Should we be surprised that they ended up with an effective monopoly on anthrax vaccine?

There’s an important backstory here for anyone who wants to flesh it out.

[sabra]

98. TIME Mag: Anthrax scientist Ivins took two polygraph tests, and passed both times

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3733256&mesg_id=3733256

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

100. I wonder if Philip Zack has been asked...

...to polygraph regarding any knowledge or involvement he may have had with this crime.

[Catherine Vincent]

107. And isn't it ironic that Dr. Ivans passed his polygraphs but Dr. Hatfill didn't?

nt

[suffragette]

104. "Doubts about anthrax story"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3733025

[Catherine Vincent]

109. "FBI not saying whether Ivins' handwriting matched that on the letters he allegedly wrote"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3733537&mesg_id=3733537

[Raksha]

112. I think it's too late to recommend, but kicking anyway.

:kick:

[Mnemosyne]

114. Wow, what a thread! - Error: You've already recommended that thread.

I knr'ed R.Paulson's thread also.

Brilliant work by so many. :applause:

Can hardly wait to see what slad digs up to add!

Thanks Mike! :hi:

[AntiFascist]

117. Whatever happened to suspicians surrounding Jerome Hauer...

and why does his Wiki entry not contain any mention of his role with the biopharmacy industry?

On Sept. 11th he told the White House to take Cipro.

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack." Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

He is a friend of Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA. Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York. To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal.

Hauer ignored one report by Barbara Rosenberg (on possible anthrax suspects), but he certainly knew who she was. He first met her on April 10, 1998, at a "roundtable on genetic engineering and biological weapons" under President Clinton. The small group of outside experts and cabinet members present there included: William Cohen (at the time Secretary of Defense), CIA boss George Tenet, Craig Ventner (Celera), Joshua Lederberg (Rockefeller University, Defense Science Board), Thomas Monath (Oravax/Acambis, former CDC and USAMRIID), Hauer, and Barbara Rosenberg. In November 2001, Hauer was still ignoring the investigations by Barbara Rosenberg, who had already worked out a list of possible anthrax suspects, scientists who would have been able to gain access to the original Ames strain from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick. http://www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm

Among the suspects on this list were Battelle and the Battelle Memorial Institute administrators, who supplied the Dugway anthrax proving facility in Utah, where the only virtually identical Ames strain of silica-impregnated hyper-weaponized anthrax was found: http://www.stlimc.org/print.php3?article_id=1295 Meanwhile, Hauer in November started an initiative known as "De-Mystifying the Biological Weapons Debate," and as a member of this group he claimed at the time that the suspects for the anthrax attacks included "Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists" http://www.basicint.org/BWreport.htm

While Ivins is being accused of wanting to test an anthrax vaccine, Hauer seems to have much more motive for generating fear and funding for anthrax solutions with his high-level contacts and various roles.

[suffragette]

118. "FBI prepares to release evidence in anthrax case"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3425012

This is about to get more interesting.

[Blue Diadem]

123. During investigation, agents told former neighbors in hometown that Bruce Ivins faked his death.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-te.md.ivins03aug03,0,1282203.story

Lebanon, Ohio - Barbara Weisenfelder didn't believe the FBI agents for one minute. They had told the director of this village's historical museum that they had come all the way from Washington to interview residents as part of an insurance fraud investigation.

The agents said Bruce Ivins, 62, the youngest son of the town's long-deceased druggist, had faked his death. And they wanted to know everything about him and his family. They even inquired about the name of the architect and contractor who built the family's beige-colored, single-story home on Orchard Avenue in the 1930s.

"We knew who they were checking on, and that's all we needed to know," Weisenfelder, 77, said yesterday, recalling the agents' visits in 2007 and 2008.
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[robertpaulsen]

124. "The Ripist" Speaks; FBI Coaching is "Duley" noted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3734905

Decided to cross-post here, even though most of the info has already been included in separate posts on this thread. Thanks again for doing this autorank, it really helps provide a focus for every one who cares! And thanks to everyone else who cares!

[Truth2Tell]

125. May I add this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3735478

[EFerrari]

126. FBI Used Aggressive tactics

(from the no sh!t department)

Source: The Associated Press

Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.

The pressure on Ivins was extreme, a high-risk strategy that has failed the FBI before. The government was determined to find the villain in the 2001 anthrax attacks; it was too many years without a solution to the case that shocked and terrified a post-9/11 nation.

The last thing the FBI needed was another embarrassment. Overreaching damaged the FBI's reputation in the high-profile investigations: the Centennial Olympic Park bombing probe that falsely accused Richard Jewell; the theft of nuclear secrets and botched prosecution of government scientist Wen Ho Lee; and, in this same anthrax probe, the smearing of an innocent man - Ivins' colleague Steven Hatfill.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3425257&mesg_id=3425257

[deminks]

127. There was another anthrax suspect...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3735420&mesg_id=3735420

[Marie26]

131. WP: Anthrax Suspect's Distress Detailed

"Late last fall, Bruce E. Ivins was drinking a liter of vodka some nights, taking large doses of sleeping pills and anti-anxiety drugs, and typing out rambling e-mails into the early morning hours, according to a fellow scientist who helped him through this period. ...

Ivins "was e-mailing me late at night with gobbledygook, ranting and raving" about what he called the "persecution" of his family, said the scientist, a recovering alcohol and drug user who had been sober for more than a decade. The scientist, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that he had been contacted by a co-worker of Ivins's at the sprawling Army biodefense laboratory in Fort Detrick and that the co-worker said the veteran anthrax researcher "has really gone down the tubes."

According to the scientist, who said he spent about 80 hours with Ivins to help him recover from his addiction, the FBI agents pressured Ivins's children, and they were pressuring Ivins in public places. One day in March, when Ivins was at a Frederick mall with his wife and son, the agents confronted the researcher and said, "You killed a bunch of people." Then they turned to his wife and said, "Do you know he killed people?" according to the scientist. ...

According to court records, Ivins also saw a psychiatrist, David Irwin, at Shady Grove Psychiatric Group in Gaithersburg, although it is unclear when he was a patient there. Neither Irwin nor Duley have returned repeated phone calls. Allan Levy, Duley's boss and the director of Comprehensive Counseling, declined to comment.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/08/05/ST2008080503796.html