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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:23 PM Original message |
Immigration Raids: Harbinger of a Police State? |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. What happens when the immigration raids in Iowa spread to |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. These people are not being arrested because they are a threat. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. The employers are not being charged at all. I just heard it on the news. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. I agree with you. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I disagree about throwing the employers in jail. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Identity theft is, and ought to be a crime. Agriprocessors execs |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. And if you eat vegatables are you enabling the abuse |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. A little change of law would make the harvesters legal and |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Im not arguing against making folks legal.. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes, it would and herein lies the |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. But you assume anyone who wants to |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I just heard on the news that the meat packers rounded up in Iowa as |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Youll see from my other post on this thread (and others about this issue) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. I didn't say deportation was draconian and inhumane. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Before you deport someone you have to arrest and process them.. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Do you get arrested when you get caught speeding? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Is someone with a speeding ticket a high flight risk? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. How would you know about their flight risk if you don't give them a chance |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. We do know |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Well, it seems you and I are not on the same page, that of solving |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Its seems our views are different |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Them's fighting words. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-29-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Did you read the last line |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
64. What? This doesn't happen in vegetable/fruit processing plants?(nt) |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. When I posted a similar sentiment here at DU |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Cleita |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 01:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. They are being held in camps and other |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. What kind of nipping should be done? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I believe this should be handled in a humane way. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You refer to the people in refugee terms ("often they have escaped....") |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Amass wealth? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. No, not kidding. Not intentionally, anyway. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I don't think a work ethic should be criminalized, not the way they are doing |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Agreed that the way they're doing it now is gestapo-like and disgusting. The head of |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I don't think it has to be thirty days. It could be less I suppose. It's what they used to give, |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I agree that the exact number is probably unimportant ...but what about recidivism |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. If they do then make it harder, like |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. The illegal immigrants are just practice for fine-tuning the system. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Halliburton Confirms Concentration Camps Already Constructed |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Thanks for the article and links. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. When they start, or even discuss |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Well they do and there are news stories out their if you google |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. So youre comparing |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Oh do we have different immigration laws? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Ok because you brough him up.. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Well not exactly. |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Well not exactly = *NO* |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. There wasn't anything to report because at that time it was legal for |
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DadOf2LittleAngels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. Really? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. There was no law stating you had to check on an employees legality. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. All those people arrested and not one of them was the management? |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. When it spreads? |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. I have never ever seen so many for rent signs in south Snottsdale |
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Pachamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
9. Have you been following what is happening in Italy w/ the new Conservative Gov't that just took |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. The canary is the first to go!1 n/t |
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T Monk (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-26-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. all these new internal security agents after 9-11 aren't a good sign tactically they're acting like |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
14. They happen because of overwhelming demand |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
22. test runs for a police state |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. meat-packing was once a good paying job |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. What you need to do is get your unions involved. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. The unions can't really do much at this point |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Yes, they need to put the employers on the carpet, but I think |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. As long as it hurts them enough to be a deterant to others. |
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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. If you check closer, there seems to be ICE raids at meat packing companies with union activity. nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. In Iowa the employers are not being charged with anything. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. It just occurred to me that, nice and appropriate as a shutdown sounds, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Maybe that could be part of the employer's punishment to keep them |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
45. There aren't enough police in this country to make it a true police state |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-27-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Well not government issue type police forces, which seem to be chronically |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Private outfits are far too prone to corruption to make an effective national police force |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Good for you! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. And you should read up on the US militia system |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Well other than the Montana Militia, the Aryan Nation and other |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. Here's the actual text of the law and a link for your education |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. This is under government though. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. The unorganized militia can form ad-hoc organizations as needed |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Hey I'm not an anti-gun person here so point your muzzle elsewhere, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. That would be the National Guard or the Naval Militia |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
52. ICE Detention Facilities |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
60. harbinger? i'd say we are almost there--this stuff is never |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-28-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. Reading the word "harbinger" always makes me hungry for some reason |
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