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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM
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CNN's Jeffrey Toobin blasts John McCain for lying
So much for the straight talk express:

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: " Speaking of straight talk, no American politician has gotten more adoring press coverage than John McCain. But let's be clear about what John McCain is doing about Mitt Romney. He's lying. He's lying about Mitt Romney's position, no question about it. And you know I think that — this idea that Mitt Romney supports timetables, in fact most Americans support timetables to get out of Iraq, Mitt Romney doesn't happen to be one of them. That's really outrageous what McCain is doing bringing up this ancient interview and distorting it at the last minute so he doesn't have to talk about the economy."

http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_212126982.shtml
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:46 AM
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1. Toobin's book, "The Nine", demonstrates what is at stake in this election /nt
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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18. Yes, he can be quite good.........
but when I saw him on Charlise Rose say that is favorite Supreme Court Justice was Sandra Day O'Connor, I couldn't believe it. Out of all the justices, one of those responsible for putting our current occupant in the white house is his favorite. I was quite taken aback by that.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:46 AM
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2. I have no doubt that Romney has changed his position on this, as with so many other issues.
But, McCain read a direct quote from Romney when Romney stated unambiguously that he supported timetables.

Toobin is playing with words but is basically full of shit.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:56 AM
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4. wrong...go look at the whole thing in context
I am no fan of either of these 'people', however, lies are lies and the way McCain handled this was EXACTLY the same as Bush did to him back in the campaign in SC for the 'pub nomination in 1999...and he got PISSED about it then.

Backstabbing lying sacks of shit should be identified for what they are...regardless of the person about whom they are lying.

sP
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:13 PM
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8. Ok... look at what? I heard the quote, I heard the rebuttal, and I heard McCain defend himself.
What am I missing?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:59 PM
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16. did you listen to 5 seconds or about a minute of info
the clip that McCain was using was only a VERY small portion of the actual discussion and very misleading...

sP
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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20. I listened to Meet the Press, but I have no other point of reference.
Can you provide a link?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:38 PM
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23. i don't know about finding the entire audio
so I cannot assist...suffice it to say, both these guys are backbiting at each other...and I just can't stand the lies.

If I can locate the audio of that I will gladly post it here...

sP
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:39 PM
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24. I found the text of the interview -- see post #21
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:04 PM
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7. I have seen no evidence that he has changed his position on this
I would like to see that direct quote and a citation for it.

I certainly don't take McCain's word on this issue or anything else for that matter.

Don
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:17 PM
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12. Sure. And then let's see something supporting Romney's position:
MR. RUSSERT: Over the last few days, however, the fire exchanged by you and Mitt Romney has been rather intense. This is what you said in a statement yesterday about Governor Romney: "The fact is Governor Romney has hedged, equivocated," has "ducked and reversed himself." What are you talking about specifically?

SEN. McCAIN: I'm talking specifically about a number of issues, but in the specific case, in the case of whether we should have maintained the surge in Iraq and whether, at the--April of 2007, when we had a choice between doing the surge when things were at their lowest, when Republicans and the Democrats were saying that we've got to withdraw, we have to have, "timetables." Timetables was the buzzword at that time, and there were--and it was a defining moment. It was the low point in my political career. And we--Lindsey Graham, I, the president and others--said this is what needs to be done, no matter what the consequences are. Governor Romney obviously said there had to be, "timetables," although they had to be secret because we weren't going to tell the enemy when we were leaving. I mean, that's--that's just a fact. And if we'd have done that, as the Democrats and some Republicans wanted to do, we would've lost that surge and al-Qaeda would be celebrating a victory over the United States of America.

MR. RUSSERT: Governor Romney said he never suggested a specific timetable, you're being dishonest and you should apologize.

SEN. McCAIN: I see. Well, you know, you flash these up on the screen all the time. Let me just--let me just see, he said--when he was asked should a timetable--should there be a timetable for withdrawing the troops? "Well, there's no question the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about, but they shouldn't be for public pronouncement. You don't want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you're going to be gone." That's, that's, my friend, is the quote. That was a clear indication of setting timetables that would--you know, but you don't want to tell the enemy when you're going to be gone. It's very clear.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22867407/

Romney's intentions are unambiguous. McCain had it dead on, and Romney is attempting to flip-flop on this, just as he did on abortion, gun control, gay marriage, etc etc etc.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:24 PM
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14. That link is just McCain repeating the lie
I have still seen no evidence.

Don
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:26 PM
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15. He read the quote and gave the date.
Do you actually have a pony in this race? Are you a Romney fan? :puke:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:15 PM
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17. No pony in the race
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:15 PM by NNN0LHI
Just not gullible enough to ever believe what a lying Repig like McCain ever says.

Don
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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19. Good point. So, let's examine this:
McCain says Romney wanted timetables.
Romney said he didn't.
McCain read the quote and gave the date that Romney said it.

Somebody is lying, which is not really surprising among politicians, and certainly no shock within the GOP. So, who's the more likely liar -- Romney (who changes his policies more often than his maid changes his sheets) or McCain, who provided evidence to support his stance?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM
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3. Thanks to Karl Rove we know that McCain had a black baby and he's a traitor.
:)



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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:57 AM
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5. Isn't funny how the only time a Republican is held accountable for lying is when
they lie about the establishment's chosen candidate?
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:13 PM
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9. One wonders if they'll be equally as vigilant..
when McCain's out lying about Clinton or Obama. I doubt it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:15 PM
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11. Depends on whether they think McCain will be better or worse for Wall Street than
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:17 PM by Marr
Clinton or Obama.

I'm not altogether sure they'd side with McCain, now that I think of it.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:18 PM
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13. Romney is the liar here, not McCain.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:57 AM
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6. K&R for TOOBIN is always great!1 n /t
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:38 PM
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22. Even when he's completely full of shit?
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:14 PM
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10. McCain emulating his best-friend-forever Dumbya?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:38 PM
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21. Folks, this really isn't a matter of opinion -- Romney's words do all the talking.
Here's Toobin's misguided complaint from the OP:
CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin: " Speaking of straight talk, no American politician has gotten more adoring press coverage than John McCain. But let's be clear about what John McCain is doing about Mitt Romney. He's lying. He's lying about Mitt Romney's position, no question about it. And you know I think that — this idea that Mitt Romney supports timetables, in fact most Americans support timetables to get out of Iraq, Mitt Romney doesn't happen to be one of them.


And here's the entire quote that McCain excerpted:
ABC's Robin Roberts: "Do you believe that there should be a timetable in withdrawing the troops?"

Romney: "Well, there's no question that the president and Prime Minister al-Maliki have to have a series of timetables and milestones that they speak about. But those shouldn't be for public pronouncement. You don't want the enemy to understand how long they have to wait in the weeds until you're going to be gone. You want to have a series of things you want to see accomplished in terms of the strength of the Iraqi military and the Iraqi police, and the leadership of the Iraqi government."

Roberts: "So, private. You wouldn't do it publicly? Because the president has said flat out that he will veto anything the Congress passes about a timetable for troop withdrawals. As president, would you do the same?"

Romney: "Well, of course. Can you imagine a setting where during the Second World War we said to the Germans, 'Gee, if we haven't reached the Rhine by this date, why, we'll go home, or if we haven't gotten this accomplished we'll pull up and leave?' You don't publish that to your enemy, or they just simply lie in wait until that time. So, of course you have to work together to create timetables and milestones, but you don't do that with the opposition."

So, he wants timetables, he simply wants them to be a secret. McCain only said that Romney wanted timetables, and Romney denied it.

End of discussion.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:53 PM
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25. ok...i see the issue...
McCain's implication in his ads in FL were that Romney supported timetables in the sense of timetables given by congress for the removal of troops from Iraq. I think most people would be in favor of timetables and milestones being set with the gov't of Iraq. McCain is trying to get people to believe that Romney would have supported timetables set by Congress...and he FLATLY denies that by agreeing with Roberts on vetoing any timetables set by Congress.

It is disingenuous...and this is dangerous to Democrats and Liberals as well, because if they believe that he would support the withdrawal of troops on a Congressional schedule (based on the tone of this ad), then they might be willing to even VOTE for him if they are not satisfied with the eventual Democratic nominee...and a vote for the Republican is 2X as bad as not voting because you are unhappy with the Democratic nominee.

sP
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:43 PM
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26. Right. I agree with your analysis 100%.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:44 PM
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27. mccain will expose himself, i have no fear
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:50 PM
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28. John McCain Hypocrite
John McCain Hypocrite
by Doug Ireland

John McCain, the media's darling, has found a clever way around his own campaign finance reform law to take big corporate bucks in furtherance of his political ambitions while carrying water for the corporate mammoth providing the dough. But the national press is ignoring the story.


The Associated Press first ran the story of John McCain's odorous but lucrative Senatorial service to the communications giant Cablevision on the afternoon of March 7. But, while some local papers in McCain's home state (like the East Valley Tribune) have run the story, nothing has as yet made it into the print editions of the New York Times, the L.A. Times, the Washington Post, or any of the half-dozen other big city dailies I checked (although, if one searches the hundreds of AP stories available on the Post's website on its Politics page by clicking on "Latest Wire Reports," one can find it there--but how many readers would bother to do that?) One notable exception: the Kansas City Star.


Here's what the AP's investigation found:


McCain repeatedly intervened on behalf of a policy Cablevision favored -- one which "congressional and private studies conclude could make cable more expensive" -- while his chief political adviser, Rick Davis (who's masterminding McCain's probable '08 presidential rerun) solicited $200,000 in contributions from Cablevision to an institute that promotes McCain and pays Davis a $110,000 annual salary.


The Reform Institute was set up to promote McCain and his issues--especially campaign finance reform, embodied in the famous McCain-Feingold law. This Institute is "a tax-exempt group that touts McCain's views and has showcased him at events since his unsuccessful 2000 presidential campaign," and it "often uses the senator's name in press releases and fund-raising letters and includes him at press conferences," the AP says. And, of course, it provides a cushy sinecure with no heavy lifting for McCain's main man, Davis, as he prepares the pontificating Senator's next presidential run. Cablevision's contributions account for a whopping 15% of the Institute's budget.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0309-35.htm
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