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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:33 AM Original message |
*** Official Senate Judiciary DOJ Hearing- #3 *** |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. Brownback up now . .about military bases..and moving detainees |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Muk says no one has said they WANT the detainees. . and there are legal barriers |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Original message |
so what does that mean just hold them illegally forever. |
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jtrockville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:42 AM Original message |
I don't think any states want Blackwater either... but still they have their compounds. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
3. Brown says he'd check out any possible alternative facility |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
4. Knox vs the PLO? what is this? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. I'm so ashamed of my country |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. it's really sad huh? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
6. reauthorization of "human trafficking legislation" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
7. Enforcemnt of federal firearm statutes...- |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. re FISA. . about telecom immunity... Substituting the gov for the companies.. |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
46. yeah, that makes it all ok. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
8. thanks anna for the threads. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
10. Brownback is scum |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. well, he is a repuke. Living up to expectations. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. Muk on "substitution" - "they can't cooperate without a court order |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. (and that would be BAD) |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
12. Brownback gives him a pat on the back. |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
14. oh Brownback just bite it huh? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
15. DiFi up now |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. that's her candidate. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
17. "defined process" by which any "new method" would be proposed.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. was this always the case? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
20. Did the Pres approve the cases when it HAS happened? |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
21. Did the President approve waterboarding? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
23. and speaking of scum.... |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. Feinstein wants to know if Pres approved waterboarding. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
25. Put the whole Gov't under the Army Field Manual... If the Pres would sign that |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. then it would clearly be illegal for anyone... |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
27. So if the CIA does it, it is OK? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. yup |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
28. So.. How would it work "legally"?. . good question.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
30. "How would it be done?" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. ummm the Director would "become aware".. however it was done.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. "it would have to go to the President" |
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buzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Sleazy POS as usual no answers of any substance.n/t |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
33. Mukasey just said re waterboarding "I can't discuss it because I'm not authorized to discuss it." |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. HaHa. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
35. Is it legal to be carried out by a non-governmental employee? (i,e,blackwater) |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. "I don't know" |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. UH oh |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
38. get back to me on that , would you? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
40. Scott Bloch's investigation is being impeded by Justice... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. difi: Why? |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
41. I think we should just call him Mucky |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Sticky like mucous or murky like dirty water? |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. dirty mucousy water |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
43. is such enabling bullshit....for anyone... and I mean ANYONE...to pretend |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
44. "A response is in the works, but it hasn't gone out yet". |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
45. Bloch's office isn't in the same building... so it's slow.. (4 MONTHS SLOW?) |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
47. short break . Kyle up after... |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Oh, good. I don't think I can stand much more of Mukasey |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
48. Break time. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
52. Mini-me.. I have to go out.. will you "thread-tend" in case I get back too late? |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
53. "demonstrates good faith"?????? What garbage |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
54. Kyle - these issues are complicated. |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
55. So does giving a gov project a fancy name |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
56. Good thing Mukasey brought integrity back to the DOJ isn't it? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. VIDEO: Mukasey: "I Would Feel" That Waterboarding is Torture if Done to Me |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
58. Feingold up |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Mukasey "I don't see the inconsistencies" |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. this hearing such a mockery...just going through the motions |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
60. Feingold up. |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
61. Mr. Muck is really, really a piece of legal #$*# |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
62. You said retro-active immunity was necessary. but we dont' want them to break the law |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
63. We don't want them to help a policeman rob a bank |
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buzzard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I don't know why but that cracked me up.n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Feingold is fantastic... I hope this is you tube'd |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
66. We don't want to encourage lawbreaking, says Mr. Muck. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
68. Hatch: This is all to complicated for us here... we shouldn't even be talking about it. . HA |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
69. FISA reform tops the list Protect America Act needs to be passed blah blah |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
70. Hatch & Muk want no "sunset" on new FISA law |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
71. Hatch says we need to forget adherence to law to fight terrorism. n/t |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. Hatch is listing some of the stuff they've gotten..."Some say the act |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. He does NOT claim that they couldn't have gotten this under the NEW FISA bill |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
73. America: where criminals can hold office and the government is described as |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
75. He says "warrant" like it's a ridiculous thing... |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
76. The argument goes that terrorists will have access to |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
77. Now tell us how important blind obedience of the telecoms is to us.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
78. Muk says "this is a war unlike any other" (i.e. all the old laws are moot) |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
79. Holding them accountable will ruin their stock. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
80. The "Hatch & Muk Show" was all completely rehearsed! |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
81. Durbin bringing up the Orwell pic hanging in Muk's office. . |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
82. still troubled re waterboarding... "reasonable people can disagree" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. He says "like who?" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If waterboarding would be ok under certain circumstance... why has it been stopped? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
85. Hatch is an enabler of Bush juntaism. Perfect dude for an Orwell movie. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
86. No such "reasonable" people exist. Reasonable people DON'T support torture |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. torture has NEVER saved a life and it NEVER will |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. torture is illegal. water-boarding is torture. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CRYSTAL CLEAR |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
87. Again brings up the danger to American's if our stance on waterboarding is "iffy" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
88. "reasonable people" like "in this chamber" (i.e. no names) |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
89. the Senate "in THIS chamnber" has said NO NO NO to waterboarding |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
90. but then the law that would outlaw it was voted down.. in this chamber.. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. THANKS to old 60/40 Harry |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
93. Durbin "where is the lack of clarity?. he can't answer |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
94. There is no way to hide the main issue here. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
95. Muk "It can be read two ways". Durbin says "No it can't It's a WAR CRIME" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
97. Muk re second question .. um um um um . . |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
98. You were arguing that using it to discover i.e. nuclear threat is NOT "shocking" |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
99. The Military says No it Can't be used under ANY circumstance... |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
100. RECESS!!! |
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Justpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
101. Yikes, |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
102. RECESS UNTIL 2 PM***** I'll have a new thread up for 2pm |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
103. it is NOT unresolved! I am sick of this!!! STOP pretending. America IS A WAR CRIME NATION |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
104. VIDEOS of the Mukasey Hearing THREAD |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-30-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
105. NUMBER 4 IS HERE: |
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