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flashl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:09 PM Original message |
Should states with abundance of fresh water share? |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. There is a series of high altitude photographs showing the Great Lakes |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. There is one very good reason that it is impractical to "share" |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. The second environmental impact, that on the watershed |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. perhaps people should not live in states without sufficient water. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. stop making sense. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. People should not live where they have to use oil to heat. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Or coal or wood, since they cause air pollution. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Living in cold climates = normal. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
48. Um... how do you figure? |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Just look at history. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
63. historically more people lived in deserts and arid plateaus than polar regions. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Did they have golf courses and big green lawns? n/t |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
96. well some powerful rulers had impressive pleasure gardens... ;) |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. And they lived right near a source of water. (lake, river, well) |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #79 |
98. well, populations were sometimes large. and some worked off cisterns, nomadism, etc... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 05:37 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Small by modern standards. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. everything is small to the post-antibiotic age, so that's a ridiculous assertion. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. You missed the point completely. (and antibiotics mean nothing) |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
76. One man's normal is another's man's... |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Electric Heat. n/t |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Electric pumps and transfer systems. n/t |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. With what water? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I'm sure people have very, very good reasons |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. It is not greed to want to avoid destroying the Great Lakes. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. That's a short-sighted view |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. There is no place where you HAVE to use oil to heat. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. air conditioning is just as much of a problem. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Why not? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. Should Isreal share water with Palestine? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. What does that have to do with this situation? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Everything. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
67. You breathing the same air as us doesn't destroy our ecosystem |
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RuleOfNah (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Look at California. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Yup, you got it. Same here in Massachusetts. They flooded a whole area |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
91. Yep, we in the north happily ship our sewage south. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
40. Then they should also shun food from California |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. you have to ask canada and we are not awash in water |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
6. If it were oil, would not the state charge others for its oil? Why should water be different? n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. Right after we start a national sharing process for other resources, like oil, grains |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. Nature provides what it provides. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Wellstop sending people here. It's not like they are forced to live here. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. They will stop coming as soon as the water dries up, no fear. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. LOL |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. Well, we might be able to work out a revenue-sharing arrangement ... charge equal to a barrel of oil |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. I have a good answer: Pay for some of my heating bills here in Massachusetts and |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
49. So we pay you twice |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
14. Michigan's ecology requires that we have a high water table |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
20. Problem is, the great lakes water level would drop. |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
22. Here's an idea: move to where the water is. It's a time-tested method |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. Should states with coal reserves keep them to themselves |
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Batgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I don't think coal is a dynamic, interactive part of it's environment |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Please send me links with info about people without enough water to drink |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. I suggest you do your own research |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Georgia is going through a drought but is not a desert |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
64. Coal Is Not a Necessity for Life |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
24. No. States with little water need sensible controls on their growth |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Bingo |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
51. Reclaimed water |
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Iktomiwicasa (942 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. No. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
27. Move here if you like it so much. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
28. I live where the water is |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. Believe it or not, on the prairies of West Texas |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. thank you for that link |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes, but only after we've used it first. |
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Robbien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
34. Michigan water is being given away practically free to bottle water companies |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Actually Arizona would have an adequate |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Hey, you build the houses for them. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. No, the developers build the houses |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Go figure, immigrant labor builds them here too. n/t |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Dude. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Stop making golf courses for them |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. Sorry we here in Maine sent you all of 100 people. |
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PsN2Wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. I hope you're more comfortable |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. No offense, but the idea of Mainers swarming anywhere is laughable. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
39. Some things you may want to know considering the Arizona bashing. |
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madmunchie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
92. Why do people want to live in a desert where life is not naturally sustained? |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
41. Get your own damn water. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-20-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
42. No and we'll stop any attempts at diversion. |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
43. Share and Share alike |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
44. No. Live within the limits of your ecosystem, and don't raid someone else's ecosytem. (nt) |
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RadioactiveCarrot (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
46. Gimping an ecosystem to sustain a lifestyle thousands of miles away? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
47. Whiskey's for drinking; water's for fighting over. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
54. No. And what abundance? Lake levels are low. |
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Bravo Zulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
55. No |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
61. Which states have an abundance of fresh water?... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
62. The US does not own the Great lakes- They are SHARED with Canada |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Well, we'll just have to bomb them! |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
69. The Great Lakes is non-renewable freshwater |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Good point... |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
71. Yes. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
73. No. If you want water, move to a state/region that has some. (NT) |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
75. This is going to be like Chinatown on steroids n/t |
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ToeBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
80. What you've got spare water? Better keep quite about it. |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. There is no spare water. |
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Pathwalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
82. We are so NOT drowning! We're freezing! |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
83. No. "Abundance" is a subjective term, and highly subject to change |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
89. I hope so |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
93. That Great Lakes water is not all American. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
94. I didn't think the great lakes belonged to any particular US state? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
95. no. n/t |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
97. I call BS. We're not drowning with the lakes at some of their lowest levels. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:27 PM Response to Original message |
99. Except lake michigan is at a record low right now. So nope. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-21-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
100. NO, and thankfully it will never happen because of the Great Lakes Water Treaty. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
102. Perphaps Wate Desalinization Planets need built.. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-22-08 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
103. A good book you all should read: "Cadillac Desert" |
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Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-23-08 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
105. Never |
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