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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:18 AM Original message |
Is it more difficult for a black man or a white woman to become President? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. Don't know--guess we'll find out in a few weeks. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
2. The GOP is counting on either or! |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
3. Is it more difficult for a dem to become President when Nader and Bloomberg are |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think it's difficult for both |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Why the "certain areas"? |
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ccpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I think I was tacitly referring to places where there may not |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. Any woman. |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. In actuality, people of color (men and women) could not |
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gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. wrong |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Well, let me give you a few examples |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
71. Montana elected the first woman to the US House, and that was prior to the |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. One flaw in your theory: |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. No, I'm not assuming that people would vote for their own demographic. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
75. Can you name any gender nuetral societies? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. No, I can't. Men are the dominant gender in the vast majority of societies. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
76. Understood. My error - thanks for explaining. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. studies have proven that atleast among higher executive/professional type jobs |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. How many white women senators are there? How many black men Senators? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. i think its a question of rising to the level in the first place. |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. I assumed the comparison was apples to apples as |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. it is apples to apples after a certain point. most blacks are raised poor |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. Where did you get this idea most blacks are raised poor? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
88. i meant to say disproportionately poor |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
38. how many women are there in the population, vs. how many blacks? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. The OP wasn't about if representation should be apportioned based on |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. But the fact that women, who are half the population, have never |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Of course there are a "heck of a lot" more white women than black men |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. You are right on this. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. We're in uncharted territory |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
9. With corporate backing anything is possible. n/t |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. I don't think this is a competition; it's more difficult for either of them |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
12. only time will tell |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
13. Right now, it may well be impossible. But this fall... |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
14. It would seem that the most difficult of all |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
15. I have to believe... |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
17. My wife is convinced America will accept a black man before a woman |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. she is right. its harder for a black person to make it to such a high level position |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. I agree. Not all people, but far too many. n/t |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
18. It's obvious. How many black Senators are there? How many in the House? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. So what? Black people are a much smaller fraction of the population than women. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Exactly so it's harder for a black man than a white woman to become president. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. It's statistically less likely, but that doesn't make it proportionately harder. n/t |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
19. Given that Diebold and the repubs control the election, I don't think |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
20. I believe we will elect a black man or man of any race other than white |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
83. I think so, too, unless the contest is between a white woman |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
22. A female. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I'd have to agree w/your sentiment. Old stereotypes and preferences die hard |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
26. I tend to think that |
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Qanisqineq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
27. more difficult for a woman |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
29. A black woman...(n/t) |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
79. Ding ding ding we have a winner |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
31. According to a friend of mine |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
33. Prior to this year I would have said a black man. But the double standards applied to Clinton, |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. No, it's people with a complete lack of vision and being corporate paramours that have a problem. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
35. ANY man has a better chance than |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. 42 |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. ... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
37. If the black male candidate loses, can it ever NOT be about racism?? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. It's never about racism |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. how many overtly sexist comments have been made about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
60. Yeah, and especially among Democrats. n/t |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
40. It won't be easy for either and those who continue with their mischief here are hurting both. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
41. A short elf! |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. In history, black men got the vote 75 years before women did |
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LibDemAlways (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
44. This fall we will find out if one or the other can be |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. I agree, this will be uglier than anything we've seen yet...n/t |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
45. We had a Governors race between a woman and |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. And the non-white male won. n/t |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
90. Actually the white female won. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Then I'm thinking of the wrong race. |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. In the 2003 face off, we succeeded in electing our |
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hedda_foil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
47. This is all suppositional nonsense as we're in completely uncharted territory. |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
49. Now, THAT's a helluva good question. I can't decide, but will follow the replies |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
51. yes n/t |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
58. According to the repukes in Virginia.. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
62. historically, black males have made it to the highest levels of gov't before women. nt |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
63. I think it will be equally as difficult |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
66. This year I would say |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
67. Toss up. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
68. Moreso: White woman. Any woman. |
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RadiationTherapy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
70. We have no examples to go by in America. n/t |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
72. One group is larger in numbers....and has a certain majority.... |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
73. THE SHORT MAN ---- he's got it the roughest. |
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Saphire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
74. Guess this is the test....we'll see. |
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ithinkmyliverhurts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 07:44 PM Response to Original message |
77. A black woman. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
78. Depends a lot on the black man and how dark his skin is. n/t |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
80. Now, that we've determined that it will be very difficult.... |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
84. I know this much: It is damn near impossible for a POOR person to break in |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-11-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
85. ANY WOMAN |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
86. It depends on the man or the woman not the candidate's race. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
87. Becoming President is alway difficult, every four years,.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
89. I'm going to say easier for black man --- cause this is still a patriarchy . . . |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
91. Which came first? A black man or a wnite woman supreme court justice? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
94. Tough Question, But I'd Have To Go With Race Above Gender. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-12-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
95. Well, black men had the vote long before women did. |
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