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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:48 PM Original message |
After careful research...the term "shuckin' and jivin'" did NOT originate in Minstrel shows... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Stingy" also fits Scots quite well and I've called many folks "stingy"...it's not the same. |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ok, you're right--I changed it. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. You're right. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I dinno 'bout thae |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. We're not stingy. |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. No...we're stingy |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. Shylock? That's Elizabethan maybe |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Hmm, I found a completely different meaning... |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. This was my understanding of the words |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. I've never heard of the term Shylock, what does that mean? n/t |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. ... |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It's a Jewish Character in "Merchant of Venice" |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Usurer. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Thanks to all, who replied to my question. n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
61. If you want to go deeper.... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. Minstrel shows originated in the black community itself. |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. First off, I think his comments WERE racist--or at least, racially charged. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. That's what I'm saying. |
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LeFleur1 (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Did You Say "Hip Hop"? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yes, why? |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Some southerners.... |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Hmmmm.... |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Not at all.... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I was just informed by my NC Ex that this is so |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Who used the term that prompted the OP? n/t |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. see downthread...appearently Cuomo used it to describe Obama n/t |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Thanks..... |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. as far as a term used in the south |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I agree with you..... |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. Shuckin refers to husking corn and the jivin just idle chatter |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Mmhmm. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. Even if it did, the white community really shouldn't use it |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. if you took 'black ;originated words, and German root words from American language , even Dubya ... |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
26. is this in reference to another thread? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Cuomo accused Obama of Shucking and Jiving. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. *sigh* |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Well then, how about enlightening us? |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. on second look |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. That's what I thought, upthread. What it means now depends on what is meant. |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. yes but |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. hmmmmm, are you saying then that the whites must use their own term when speaking with a ... |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. anyone else in this shitbird thread want to field this one? |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. just another late 20th century coined 'jive' phrase! heheh |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. tell ya what |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. the closest I have to a brother, and best friends for more years than either care to count... |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. perfect! |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #45 |
54. I tell you in all hinesty that both of us have used it and as a derogatory term against... |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. I have got to tell you a story about Jim and I that pretty much sums up things... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Certainly. You simply don't say something offensive. |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. I think Cuoma made a stupid attempt at pamdering...whoa a politician pander? nahhhhhhh |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Yeah, pandering to racists. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Indeed. |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Yeesh. I like Cuomo, but yeah, that's racist--no less so than what the Golf Channel numbskull said |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. It's a term I've personally only heard white people |
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hiphopnation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. funny |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. It's not a term I've heard used |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
36. According to a rather poor Wikipedia article |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. look up the word shucking, then look up a description of how it was performed 2-300 yrs ago and by |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Oh, I don't doubt that |
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Didereaux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. you might be surprised to know that there are still blacks who use that in the same exact manner. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-10-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #39 |
59. This is true. |
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