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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:08 PM Original message |
It's not about conspiracy, or the candidates, it's about voters--there needs to be a way to verify |
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Fresh_Start (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Get more concerned citizens to become volunteers for elections |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. What if the volunteers support Candidate X?" |
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Kucinich4America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. In a primary, it shouldn't be too difficult to find supporters of Candidates X, Y, AND Z. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. What can a volunteer do? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. I believe there are paper ballots and an optical scan machine for reading the ballot |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Problems: while there are ballots to count, nobody will do it. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I would like to see a candidate challenge this, someone who doesn't have a shot anyway |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. Anyone remember "short attention span theater"? |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree with your post, and these machines need to be gone... Back to paper... |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. yep - Paper Ballots, hand-counted AT THE PRECINCT, with plenty of observers from all parties. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Your right, it does work in Canada and I don't know of anyone that would want... |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Dupe.... |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree with the shut people up once and for all part |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. So, no dissent on this? Sounds familiar. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I'm losing your transmission |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Namecalling, great argument. That's what they did in '00, and they'll do it to us in '08 |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Are you saying Democrats are stealing elections |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Nope. I never said that once. I think the Republicans who own the company that gives the unaudited |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Is Obama challenging the results? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. They have a political consequence to challenging a primary--they could get called Sore Loserman |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Let me see if I understand your theory |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Getting stuffy with all those strawmen in here. Did you miss anything? Only the part where I never |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Did you read Laura's responses in that thread? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Do you have a link to that? I could use it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Start here: |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You can't prove a negative |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I respectfully disagree. It is not up to us to prove fraud. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Respectfully, how do you demonstrate that? |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. I think the voters are the ones most affected by the outcome. Too bad they can't challenge. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. Yep. Shut the people up. Brilliant. Did you even read the OP? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Yes, in fact I quoted it back to him |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
8. It has happened in the past and pollsters report fibs. |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. I think people who are constantly slurring a candidate because |
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althecat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
22. "Fool me once, shame on them, fool us four times---shame on ALL of us. " |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
24. There must be a reason Obama isn't touching this subject, how do you get change when |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. It's about people being sore losers. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Sore Loserman II? Right from the Rove playbook. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yep to bad the Obama and Edward people used it every day last week. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. If they did, that sucks, too. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
29. Sore losers? - ok. having elections transparent is your view of a good idea? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Tell Obama to pay for a recount then. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. K&r. (nt) |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. Also, it's not wise to solidify a "vote challengers are paranoid, tinfoil hat wearing, whiners" meme |
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OneGrassRoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-09-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. I agree. I've been posting the same thing for the past hour. |
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