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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:19 PM Original message |
Neuroimaging Fails To Demonstrate ESP Is Real |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
1. I saw this coming |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. You slay me, too! |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
47. I knew you'd say that |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. Well there's always Laboratories for Fundamental Research/LFR |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
49. I'm gonna hafta pass (volunteering) |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
64. LOL... |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Somehow I doubt this is going to settle anything... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Probably not... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I agree - it does not frame the question as information transfer via ESP occurs how - but |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Here's the straw man that they knocked down: |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Yeah, it's piffle. If it's testable in the first place, it's just like everything else. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:51 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. How do they know what an ESP stimulus is if they don't know if ESP exists or not? |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
73. So....how does it work, then |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. well, ghosts and the like don't have physical brains- but are able to have thoughts & communicate... |
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Duer 157099 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
87. First of all, I obviously don't know the definitive answer |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. Good point. |
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LucyParsons (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. no surprise there. |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
7. Interesting. That said ... |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Actually that is not true |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. You haven't been watching the Republican debates, obviously |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 06:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. lol |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
67. bingo! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
18. That's actually an urban legend. |
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nebenaube (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
9. nice try, but... |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. too bad little scientists can't figure it out |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Do you have any evidence for those assertions? |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I'll not state this is proof of anything in particular, |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. The dog thing would probably qualify for Randi's million |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
43. I am sure it will be less than 10,000 years |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
38. just like the poor ignorant scientists |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. nooooo |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Are you sure you "know" that? |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-06-08 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. Okay, everyone whose kneejerk reaction was to dismiss the study outright |
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RushIsRot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
14. James Randi has had a million dollar challenge up that has yet |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Randi's million sitting there for more than one day |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. These people can tap into the space-time continuum? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. Interesting |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. Wow, what an important development! nt |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:06 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Actually, I think these studies do have some importance |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I'm not concerned with the legacy of 1 celebrity human out of nearly 7 billion. nt |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm not saying you should be. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Yes, friend, I'm concerned with naive humans being scammed by dishonest ones. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Don't equate these sorts of things with religion |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Actually its a lot like religion |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Yes. The psychological phenomena of faith. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
80. Faith is merely trust in that of which we do not have full knowledge |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
32. That's because it doesn't damn well exist |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It isn't that simple |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
82. But not as effective as movies, game consoles and popular music |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
44. But isn't your non-belief equally unreasonable? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. The burden of proof is on those making the postive assertion. |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
69. But what about people who claim it *might* exist and bears investigating? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Then you're wrong about that. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
85. no its called the null hypothesis |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. I'm an atheist and believe in ESP because |
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New Earth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. good |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. How do you know they were "esp experiences?" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
84. Or belief in the goodness of man? |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
36. There's actually a fairly poor correlation between brain activity and mind activity. |
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TZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Umm not quite |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Very interesting. Thanks for the information. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Wtach out, you might say too much |
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Perry Logan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Nevertheless, I have read that people report mental activity during comas, which shouldn't happen. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Why shouldn't it happen? (n/t) |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
65. Interesting. What I've read about free will from neuroscientists and physicists |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Have you read a lot of material supporting it? |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. What I've read lately says there ain't any free will. Or, rather, not as much of it as |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
45. I know this "end all" notion to be crap, but soldier on with your research grants... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Actually, I'm pretty sure you don't "know" that. |
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DRoseDARs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. Actually, I'm pretty sure you are in no position to tell me what I have and have not experienced. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
46. Or it's just mislabled. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
50. Could we just settle this once and for all? |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Sure, but "the end" just isn't true. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Think |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yes, but I still think there's a difference |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. And scientists don't believe in belief (or it's rigid companion, non-belief) |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
56. rational tools are inadquate to measure transrational phenomena |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. That is a self-defeating argument. |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. Mu is actually the name of the continent frequently spoken of as Lemuria |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Hehe... best answer ever. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
58. Good, now let's take a closer look at prayer. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Oh, that's far from the final exam. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I once asked why God never answered my prayers. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
66. yup. And 100 years ago we didn't know about quarks |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. The idea of a quark is a result of particle physics research in the 1950's |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #71 |
77. More accurately, they refuse to provide any evidence for it |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
76. My chidren think my ESP is real. |
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