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tularetom
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:39 PM Original message |
Why do we think a driver's license is some sort of privelege? |
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rwheeler31
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. I never want to drive again. |
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L0oniX
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
132. I fear other drivers much more that the terrorists |
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CRF450
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Immigrants can get a license, just not ILLEGALS |
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EFerrari
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. They shouldn't get food either. In fact, they are using up our air! |
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CRF450
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Look, if they come here illegally, they have no right to get a license |
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EFerrari
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I find it hilarious that the hardest working people in this country |
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CRF450
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And if they're such hard working people (which I dont doubt) |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. So do you know what it takes to legally immigrate? |
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CRF450
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Did we make them poor? Nope. |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Um, yeah we did. |
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CRF450
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Ok I stand currected on that part, but it still doesn't make difference |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Well, I think I made my point. |
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ikojo
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. Oh most certainly policies supported by the US and the IMF |
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Alexander
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
117. Do you know what it takes to LEGALLY immigrate? Nope. |
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Critters2
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
106. If people are starving in Mexico, MEXICO needs to do something about it!! |
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treestar
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. It's probably not that simple |
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Critters2
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Again, Mexico is swimming in natural resources |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. You are aware that not all ILLEGALZZZ are Mexican, right? |
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Critters2
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Mon Nov-19-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #124 |
137. The great majority are Mexican. |
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
154. "Stingy" - funny how without having even seen this post, that was a word that sprung into my mind |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 04:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
121. I bet you aren't aware of this but every single time a progressive |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. This is the deal. |
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Toots
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
67. Apparently you don't have much of a clue as to what it takes to gain legal status |
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mvccd1000
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Sun Nov-18-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
54. Hardest working?!? You haven't been to Phoenix, have you? |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. They're standing around on the street corner hoping to be chosen as day laborers |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
82. But I can disprove yours. For one thing, immigrants have a lower |
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mvccd1000
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Mon Nov-19-07 04:48 AM Response to Reply #82 |
144. Maybe you have different illegals there. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 04:52 AM Response to Reply #144 |
145. The Myth of Immigrant Criminality |
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CRF450
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
120. Yup. A good number of them are involved in gangs. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #120 |
143. What utter racist crap. |
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donheld
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Mon Nov-19-07 05:22 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Thank you sfexpat |
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mvccd1000
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #143 |
148. How can you ignore reality? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. " A good number of them are involved in gangs" |
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mvccd1000
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Tue Nov-20-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #149 |
174. I'm not in California. The fastest growing gangs here ARE latino. |
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CRF450
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #143 |
158. Did I say that illegal mexicans "only" come here for gang activity? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. I'm sure many of your best friends are Latinos. |
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CRF450
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #159 |
161. One of them is mexican. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. So glad to hear it. n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
150. LOL |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. And leprosy and welfare. Man, when do those people find time to eat? |
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KittyWampus
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
62. "the hardest working peopple"? Speak for yourself, first of all. And there's a LOT of illegals |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. This is a perfect example. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #78 |
95. I decided this was a lost cause long ago. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. Respecting human rights is ultra liberal? Thanks for the update. n/t |
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Midlodemocrat
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. Hey, Beth, you uber liberal, you! |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. Please don't turn me in. Cats depend on me! |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
151. How do you know the people standing around all day are illegals? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Actually, that was me. |
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Telly Savalas
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
58. And if people drive ILLEGALLY they have no right to get a licenses either |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
98. You know what's amazing? The undocumented workers that I know |
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EFerrari
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. These are the same people who called undocmumented evacuees |
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Deja Q
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Illegal immigrants should not have licenses. |
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EFerrari
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's not a very safe public policy position. |
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CRF450
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. "And you're right. They should be required to get one validly if they wish to drive" |
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AlCzervik
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. oh ok, illegals are at fault in "Horrible accidents" as opposed to the old days when |
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countryjake
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #10 |
49. So practically 50% of Injury Traffic Accidents caused by legal citizens... |
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CRF450
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:08 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I think of those people too. |
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countryjake
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Sun Nov-18-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. The migrant workers I know certainly keep their insurance current... |
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Der Blaue Engel
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
157. You've finally understood why driver's licenses for all makes sense |
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treestar
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Wouldn't it be better to know who they are and who is here? |
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AlCzervik
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. what surprises me is that the republicans haven't said |
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ThoughtCriminal
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. Good point |
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superduperfarleft
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. OMG ILLLEGALLZZZ!!!!11111 |
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treestar
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
11. It really bugs me when they call it a "privilege not a right." |
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Common Sense Party
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I think most in the U.S. recognize that we need immigrants, |
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CRF450
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Exactly! |
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Telly Savalas
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. And we could facilitate that by not having such draconian immigration laws |
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Critters2
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
109. If the laws were followed, the number of workers would dry up, |
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treestar
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
115. Exactly! |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
107. The problem is you are asking the wrong people. |
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treestar
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
119. I had addressed that point already. |
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Didereaux
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. Uh, it's maybe a 'privilege because the USSUPCt has ruled it as such? n/t |
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mahatmakanejeeves
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. I'm with you. |
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sampsonblk
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Mon Nov-19-07 05:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
146. Yep. -nt |
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Common Sense Party
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
15. Any immigrant--regardless of legal status--should simply obtain |
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DURHAM D
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I have been told that the U.S. does not recognize |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
44. It's completely state-run. |
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treestar
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
112. The REAL ID act probably interferes with that |
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Common Sense Party
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
84. They do. I had to Google it, but yes, they do. n/t |
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Raine
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
51. That is EXACTLY what |
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cherokeeprogressive
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
156. "Nothing to it, and it cost $15 or something like that." |
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Common Sense Party
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Mon Nov-19-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #156 |
164. No, there's no test at all. My mom actually ordered it for me |
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JVS
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Tue Nov-20-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
176. exactly |
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rodeodance
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. IT may have started out that way 100 yrs ago but it is necessity today |
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tularetom
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
20. I guess I didn't phrase this very well |
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1932
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Sat Nov-17-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's a privilege to pedestrians and other drivers that states bother to make sure people know how |
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loyalsister
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
88. Aren't we lucky |
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tekisui
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
24. It can be a first step to recognition, inclusion and citizenship. |
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RC
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. What part of illegal don't you understand? |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Wow, DU sure is progressive. |
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RC
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Sun Nov-18-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Why bother with borders, huh? |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. Glenn Beck, is that you? |
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RC
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Maybe there is some sound logic behind at least some of the laws of who can get in who can't? |
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alarimer
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. It IS a privilege; it is NOT a right |
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Basileus Basileon
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
28. Illegal immigrants are not "free to drive all around the country." |
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midnight
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Sat Nov-17-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
29. I don't give a rats toenail about people coming to this country |
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napi21
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
30. Has anyone ever determined if the undocumented WANT or would GET |
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Perseid
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
32. My mother, born in 1930 |
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me b zola
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Thank you for that bit of rationality to this thread... |
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Lydia Leftcoast
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #32 |
61. Yes, in Minnesota during my parents' lifetimes, anyone could get a |
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Solar_Power
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
33. ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY and have broken the LAWS of this country |
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CRF450
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Some DU'rs here cant seem to understand it either. |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. JAYWALKERS have broken the LAWS of this country!!!! |
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I try never to use the argument that people are breaking the laws of the country |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's my point. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
103. I notice nobody ever notices that our government has interfered |
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mvccd1000
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Sun Nov-18-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #35 |
57. And, if they're caught, they pay the penalty. |
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ileus
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
64. jaywalkers have real SSN's |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. ILLLEGALZZZZ have ssn's |
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Critters2
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
110. If they're using false SSNs, they're involved in identity theft. |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 05:21 PM Response to Reply #110 |
123. If they're using false ssns, it's to get jobs. |
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tammywammy
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. If they're using the SSN of someone who's alive then it is a problem |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #126 |
133. So how often does that happen? |
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tammywammy
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. I've personally known someone that the IRS came after |
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superduperfarleft
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. I stand corrected. |
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tammywammy
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Also the problem is |
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Common Sense Party
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Mon Nov-19-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #135 |
141. And it happens ALL the time. |
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Critters2
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Mon Nov-19-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #123 |
138. IVe been the victim of identity theft. Twice. |
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tammywammy
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Mon Nov-19-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Agreed, and that's what I stated as well |
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Critters2
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Mon Nov-19-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Yep. Making one's SS and IRS accounts match when someone |
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Truthiness Inspector
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
47. Gee, uh, duh, because it IS a privilege NOT a right |
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hunter
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:57 AM Response to Original message |
48. To read some of these posts you'd think Jesus Christ HisSelf issued drivers licenses. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
55. Are you saying we should all be able to drive without a license? |
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Enrique
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Sun Nov-18-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. I don't think immigrants are free to drive without having a license |
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malaise
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
60. Great post n/t |
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LWolf
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
65. Driver's licenses are taken away for some interesting reasons. |
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MindPilot
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
102. More evidence the license has more to do with oppressive government |
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LWolf
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. It has nothing to do with it. |
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lonestarnot
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Sun Nov-18-07 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
66. The mexican woman who smashed my new car would have still smashed it w or w/o a D.L. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
155. You know something, it can't be great for good driving to keep scanning |
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Cronus Protagonist
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
173. IF she had a license, she might have also had insurance |
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Lurking Dem
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
68. It's a privilege |
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Booster
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
69. Why do we think any illegal immigrants would apply for it? |
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slackmaster
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Sun Nov-18-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
70. You are just as free to drive without a license as any illegal immigrant is |
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MindPilot
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
71. Let's cut though the bullshit, shall we? |
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tammywammy
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
72. Because it IS a privilege, not a right |
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MindPilot
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. It doesn't give you the right to own a laptop or a chainsaw either |
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Lurking Dem
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Sun Nov-18-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. "Right" to travel |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. Nor does it imply ability. |
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tammywammy
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. And you still have the right to travel |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Actually a driver's license is more of a de facto requirement |
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Lurking Dem
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. Yet you can get a photo ID card |
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #100 |
108. And you get that where? The DMV. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #93 |
125. But, you can get a state ID card and not have a DL |
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
77. Do you know how hard it is now to get a license in VA since 9/11 and our DMV employees sold them |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. My point exactly. |
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ikojo
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Sun Nov-18-07 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
81. It's just not "illegals" who drive with no license or no insurance |
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Midlodemocrat
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. My best friend's daughter lost her license due to being |
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
111. Your friend's daughter must be an illegal immigrant |
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Perry Logan
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. We could have a special section devoted to threads based on false premises. They're very popular. |
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Evoman
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Sun Nov-18-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
87. All of us hispanics are illegal immigrants, apparently. |
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MindPilot
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Obviously. |
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EFerrari
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I've been asked if I am "legal" here. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I hope you whipped out your California driver's license |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Never underestimate the power of the Driver's License. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. I frequently use mine to fend off evil spirits, control the weather, |
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Mon Nov-19-07 02:45 AM Response to Reply #114 |
142. It's your license to buy booze and check into a cheap motel and have sex. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
94. The only place people should be able to check an immigrant's status |
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KharmaTrain
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Sun Nov-18-07 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
113. Anohter Wedge Issue... |
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Hekate
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Sun Nov-18-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #113 |
122. I was going to make a pun on "wedge", but I agree too much with what you said. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #122 |
129. Documented does not = legal n/t |
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. Well, that was indeed my point, or one of them. Thank you for pointing it out. nt |
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dysfunctional press
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
127. because it IS a privilege, and NOT a right. |
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Beelzebud
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
160. Beat me to it. |
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
128. Hahahah My wife is a Criminal Defense Attorney |
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Sun Nov-18-07 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
131. Illegal Immigrants |
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Mon Nov-19-07 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
163. Foreign citizens in the US use their own licenses plus International Driving Permit, no? |
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DadOf2LittleAngels
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Mon Nov-19-07 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
165. It is a privlidge |
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Mon Nov-19-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
166. And those lines, traffic lights & signs? Just suggestions. |
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Mon Nov-19-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
167. implicit in all of this debate seems to be a bullshit assumption |
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Mon Nov-19-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
168. A driver's license is a privilege. The point is, it's not a RIGHT. |
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
169. We belong to Farmer Jones' flock. Farmer Smith's flock cannot be issued our tags. |
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
170. You would think the gov't would want to keep a record of unrecorded people. |
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. I was rear-ended by a guy who did not have license, insurance and got stiffed |
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Tue Nov-20-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. What shitty ass cops. |
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Wed Nov-21-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #172 |
177. So, in order of importance (in my view), he broke... |
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Mon Nov-19-07 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
171. They're not FREE to do so |
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