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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:44 AM Original message |
California is experiencing the effects of global warming, period. |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. The drought is part of it. |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Obviously if there's no fuel, there's no fire. And if the fuel is bone dry... |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Much of the land is chaparral and it "made to burn." |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. So if it's wet, it still burns with the same frequency and intensity? |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Very complex |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Very wet events, followed by long periods of drought. That's global warming |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Yes and no |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
38. Thank you. |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. chaparral is made to burn |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
3. while we ARE experiencing effects of climate change... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Right. The dryness of the land has little to do with it. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. have you ever been to socal while the Santa Annas are blowing...? |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm not sure what your point is. Please consider: |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. whoa. cool your jets.... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. "Well within natural variation" is the key point |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Exactly! |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. It's a shame. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. I hear ya! |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. That's ridiculous. We're talking about patterns here. And the term "screaming" is offensive here. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
48. Sorry, didn't mean to offend |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. The fire season in 10 of the last 15 years has lasted much longer. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. not necessarily true in socal.... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. How can you make the claim that more drought and temperatures are a "natural" variation? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. good lord, that is one of the most nonsensical statements I've seen today.... |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Do you understand the term "more"? How about the term "pattern"? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. "...you can't have been paying attention to global warming...." |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Do you agree that the peer-reviewed science of the IPCC forecasts |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. do I agree...? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. It's a non-linear system. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. with respect... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You are one of the few that do. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Perhaps he can make that claim because he's an ecologist. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
39. California has a long history of droughts. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. Indeed. Some centuries long. California was settled in a wet period. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Sixty Minutes covered the fire fighters this past Sunday . |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. That's good! Global Climate knowledge |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Talking about climate change is impossible in the media these days |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. Fire season has almost doubled in amount of time per year. |
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ChicagoRonin (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. How much is due to sprawl and overdevelopment? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Let me know where you think the humans should go. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. first step: stop making so many new humans.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Logical answer.. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. yep-- that is one of my all time favorite quotes.... |
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ChicagoRonin (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I don't quite understand your question |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. sprawl is not unique to California |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Not simply sprawl, but overall development patterns |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. I don't have data, but my gut feeling is... |
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Ellen Forradalom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. interesting |
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malakai2 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. 100 years of fire suppression will do that |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
11. Besides drought, the Santa Ana winds are stronger than normal and the temperatures are 10 degrees |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
17. While wildfires in the fall are familiar to us, here in SoCal, |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
19. you GORE FANATIC!!!!! |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
27. THANK YOU, THIS SHOULD BE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT |
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Timmy5835 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
33. You can also blame........ |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I guess if you don't want to talk about the effects of global warming you can focus on that... |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
37. those fighting the fires agree |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
45. In 50 plus years of living in San Diego, I have never seen it as bad as the last 7 years here. |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
47. Hmmm. I'm not sure. Lived here all my life, and you are right that this is the worse case. |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
51. I think we're experiencing the effects of arsonists. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Them too. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
53. You've got to take a broader perspective though |
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Harper_is_Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Who is "blaming everything on climate change"? |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. What do you know? |
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gulfcoastliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. Huge wildfires (and droughts) this year all over really makes me think we're witnessing the |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-23-07 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
60. I've started considering carrying a vial of cyanide on my person. |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
66. I replied in a thread yesterday, 'the chickens are coming home to roost'; |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
67. K&R |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
68. California is also experiencing the effects of ARSON, period! n/t |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-24-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. 100 mph winds can knock down power lines, you know n/t |
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