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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:07 PM Original message |
If it's not a totalitarian, fascist, police state... |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
1. Semantic quibblings (sic) do little to relieve us of the situation we face... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You are, of course, correct. This is my contribution to what I hope will get |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. Under the definition of the Founders this is TYRANNY |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I think it's time we dusted off that old word and the horrors it once |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Yep |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Ah, yes, |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Brilliant post Cerridwen. Recommended. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Thank you, Cleita. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Exactly true.... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Hehe. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
64. This would also be more true to the character... |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
99. This was mentioned in another thread |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #99 |
128. Here's his description |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't taze me, Bro n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Very well done. K&R! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Thanks, and you're welcome. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Aw, go ahead and preach to the choir.. hehehe. We won't HAVE yellow or pink badges. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I may just do that... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. LULU may even get them profesional printed for cheap |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I've actually looked into that. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Well I can tell you the process is quite paintelss and easy actually |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Thanks. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #43 |
89. There ya go... your assignment is ..... well, assigned. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. You are such an inspiration. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Ve haf Vays... |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. . |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. ROTFLOLASTC! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. And if you need any help, ask |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Will do. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
111. I miss her, too. And Molly. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
75. Not only that, but the neocon philosophy embraces.... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Great observations. K & R. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
11. By that definition, it's not tyranny either |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Are we stopping these abuses? I haven't seen any evidence that we have even slowed them. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. "The fact that our absolute ruler is a body, and not an individual, in no way diminishes it's rule." |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. But it's not true |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Oh really, and just what aspect of our live's has the government not claimed |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. What you and I are doing right now |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Well since you had the reply deleted we'll do it here. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. You arent making any sense |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Well then, please add "Tyranny" to the bogeymen we're watching for as |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Consider it done |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. dupe |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Deleted message |
ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
113. It's the absolute rule of corporate capitalism |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Eleven definitions and you ignored 10 of them. Thanks for not completely |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. You're welcome |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. deleted |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. What has propagated this to the level of tyranny |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. They're all owned by the same tyrants. Government, media, industry, the money all rises |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And this is why I disagree |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You obviously don't know what is, and has been, going on. Go learn... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. So Apple doesn't want MS's market share? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Deleted message |
cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. You didnt answer the question |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Anybody that is following this understands that it was, in fact, answered, and I |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Actually, you are ignorant if you think large corporations do not compete |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 05:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
76. You are both right in a sense... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
85. You are not looking at the Big Picture, cuke |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I agree with you |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. By failing to call things by their right names, we lose before we ever start |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. tom_paine, you have added some wonderful insight and information to this |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Yes, Mr Paine is living up to his namesake |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. My pleasure. For seven years, I have been "Paul Revere-ing" almost everyone within earshot |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. I never said the OP is falsely describing reality |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
109. Yes, unquestionably, that is the most important thing. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #85 |
127. "Look it up. All the evidence is right out there". One my first replies to this "person", |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
116. Exactly!!! |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
65. It's not the overt in our face totalitarianistic sort of fascism, |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. k & r for this most important topic |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. The learned a bit from the Romans, huh? "Bread and Circuses" to keep the |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
86. Ding ding ding, we ahve a winner, but it is not just us, it is ALL the Imperial Subjects of Amerika |
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MLFerrell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
15. Outstanding Post! |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Thank you, MLFerrell. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. I fear that we are like Don Quixote |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. I'm with ya. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
21. "sitting in the corner, a knowing smile on his rather nondescript, every-man face...and he laughs." |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
28. It's a dangerously authoritarian, civil liberty-undermining, publicly apathetic state |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. "A rose by any other name..." n/t |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
117. Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
36. look to katrina and iraq |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. What happened in the aftermath of Katrina is, to me, the most heartbreaking |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
49. Thanks for your post. A couple of points. Hyperbole fosters misunderstanding, imho, |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Excellent post |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Thank you, pinto. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Thanks. I agree. It may be a long road. There are *no* quick fixes - |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
95. Well, poo. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
94. "Your post got me to thinking." Not to worry.. it only hurts for a little while. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Oh, you're on a roll this morning. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. I am not. I will have you know I"m sitting primly and properly in my chair. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
118. That's exactly what they want |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
55. Outstanding post, very well done. n/t |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Thank you. :D n/t |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
59. The U.S. is a modern democratic state. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Thanks for the kick. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #59 |
88. How about War Without End? And Invasion Based on Lies? Torture as accepted state policy? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #88 |
120. Inconvenient Truths |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #120 |
132. Please don't call anyone "itself" as you did to robcon there |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
119. Oh, you mean the B-team, the "left" wing of the |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
125. I like the concept of a trichameral legislature |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
66. And a kick for the night crowd. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
67. What I want to know is...once you have everybody convinced that we are living in a police |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. :D |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
106. Here you go, this is what YOU DO right now |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
121. First, get together with your neighbors... |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
126. most of us don't get it. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
69. Fascist shift. |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I've not yet read her book but only excerpts posted to the web. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
110. She argues that a society goes thorugh a process where new |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
71. Maybe, we're confused about the notion of "freedom"? |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Good point. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
122. Well, to be accurate |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
73. Bravo |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. "A functioning police state needs no police." |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #74 |
82. I understand it perfectly |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Cheerleaders? Know? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
114. Here or anywhere else? I doubt it |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. Too bad |
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arendt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
77. Most excellent writing. Too bad we have to parse semantics; but you have done it well. n/t |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Thank you, arendt. It is too bad. It's also very sad. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
78. K&R. Read my sig! (nt) |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. :D great quote in your signature line. Thank you. n/t |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
115. I thought you might enjoy it. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
81. K & R for the truth |
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Cerridwen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Morning, tom_paine. I share your cynicism and your hope. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
83. And the devil sat back, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #83 |
102. sigh.... That is so very accurate. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #102 |
123. It's original |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
107. Outstanding! K&R (n/t) |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
129. K & R & Bookmarked! |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
130. brilliantly written |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-15-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
131. 1 More kick. I'm sure that there are some more thinking people out there |
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