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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:08 AM Original message |
Calif. Bans Smoking in Cars With Kids |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Oh for God's sake. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. They could be housed in sterile padded white rooms |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 06:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
130. Good Idea, Marrah! |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I'm still sort of shocked that isn't what happens |
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springhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #1 |
43. You know what? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
66. Me too. |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
136. Haha. I remember that too. It's why I'm not a smoker myself. nt |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
74. Me too. Only it was my mother and grandmother smoking with the windows up |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
101. My wife and I both grew up in the midwest, too, so we couldn't even open the windows, usually. |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #43 |
200. Same here. |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
219. I may feel it's a good thing to not smoke in a car with kids.....BUT... |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
129. Nah, it's simple enough if their parents don't act like total fucking assholes |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
141. eeeeeexxxxxxcellent! n/t |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #129 |
201. That's bull. If being a total fucking asshole was against the law... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
2. Cue videos of car chases with ashtrays being dumped out the windows |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Bad Boys, Bad Boys...what you gonna do... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Don't taze me, bro! |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. Another perspective on this. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
24. I had the same problem. |
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scorpiogirl (662 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. That's terrible that she wouldn't even crack the window! |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #44 |
81. Yup... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
144. I'd be willing to bet there's no exception for top-down CONVERTIBLES. |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. This is the kind of crap |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
189. Kids getting exposed to second hand smoke is a bad thing |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. You know there have got to be pics of Ahhhhhh-nuld with his cigars AND his kids somewhere. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
7. Yet another reason not to have children |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
9. ...but bush vetos their healthcare. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
10. A boot on a human face forever |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
105. Oh, give me a fucking break. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
121. wrong |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #105 |
154. No, goddamnit! It's us "poor, oppressed cigarette smokers" |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #154 |
163. My attitude is summed up succintly in post 114: |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I don't know why they don't move away from the playground either. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #164 |
168. I've said repeatedly where I draw the line. I think the laws pertaining to |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:47 AM Response to Reply #163 |
191. I would add DON'T SMOKE IN YOUR HOUSE while kids are there |
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Annces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. I think it is a good thing |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Perhaps we should just start confiscating the children |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
177. I say draw the line at forcing children to breath poisonus cancer causing air for hours. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
12. Wow. This is not the reaction from DU that I expected. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. You expected us to cower down to the jackboot thuggery and authoritarianism |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Last I checked, driving a car is not a right. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
42. So now it's a sin? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Your right to smoke ends at my lungs. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. "I think smokers who light up in their cars with their children .... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
99. Agree totally. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Deleted message |
spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. And you're so much better at it than he is. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
88. Tsk, tsk, tsk. So much anger. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
91. Abuse can be both active and passive... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #91 |
142. don't forget these! |
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Greyskye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
133. . |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
240. I'm okay with outlawing smoking while there are kids in the car |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
23. You have to remember, DU has a large population of libertarians |
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denem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #23 |
75. Aren't really Dems? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
193. You haven't been around here very long |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #23 |
217. Yep |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
223. as a small-l libertarian who also understands the logic behind this law and supports California's |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
215. This kind of issue |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. Good...nt |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
17. If you smoke in the car with your kids present, why not just go a step farther: |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. i think its really kinda hard to make something |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #20 |
41. Is it legal for kids to smoke? |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. but it's not illegal to keep it in the house |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. But they are already telling you how to raise your kids. Or can you beat the shit out of them? |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
95. if they want to raise them |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #95 |
103. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #58 |
96. from what i've seen how other parents raise their children |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. Great idea. We need more violence, especially directed at kids |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. perhaps it would create better behaved kids |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #58 |
157. My Smoking Neighbor Just Told His Kids |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #157 |
174. what a worthless parent. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
194. Nobody seems to be able to convince smokers that anyone can even smell their smoke! |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #194 |
203. I live in a Duplex with a joint Attic. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Holy cow! |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Jackbooted thugs!!!1!!11!!!!1 I have the RIGHT to smoke anywhere |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Yeah, like in Spaceballs |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
152. Hooray. I know someone who killed his dog smoking a lot in a small car. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
195. Love your post |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 05:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
241. That makes for some SERIOUS healthcare costs! n/t |
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doodadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
19. I'm all for it |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Asthma is caused by air pollution |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. At least you smokers are shifting your straw-men |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. And the tire particles? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Which means you will never give up smoking |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. When did I ever say that? |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. that may be so, but you can still see that disgusting mass |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Boy, what an argument. I have no doubt that environmental factors |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
196. You are exposed to higher concentrations from second hand smoke than air pollution |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
33. They have asthma from POLLUTION, not from smoking. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Same point I tried to make |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yeah. SMOKE does not equal pollution. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #37 |
59. If everyone gave up smoking tomorrow, we'd still have |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Play nice, now. :) |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
87. I wasn't specifically speaking about smoking in a car. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. You *do* know that this thread is about smoking in cars, right? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #59 |
199. At least it's organic. nt |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
143. did asthma exist before the air became so polluted? n/t |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
166. Yes, asthma has been increasing because of pollution, |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
230. Bullshit. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
227. Me too. I only wish this law had been in place in Ohio when I was a kid |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
21. Good grief |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #21 |
197. You should not have posted that air pollution is the only cause of asthma |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
25. Lol, oh no, jackbooted thuggery! |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
28. Good. I applaud it. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
31. Yet another reason to never visit California. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I was thinking the same thing |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Seems reasonable to obey the rules of a public road which you don't own |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. However... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. I hope to God you don't feed your kid any processed foods, then. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
94. Reductio ad absurdum |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
111. Only under certain limited circumstances. |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
167. By that reasoning, you shouldn't be allowed to smoke in your home |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
50. it's not in the drivers manuals set forth by the dmv |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 AM Original message |
Snorting crack while driving is also not in the drivers manuals set forth by the dmv |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
53. then you can do it in your car if you want to |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. The scary thing is you're probably posting this in 100% sincerity |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
79. They address "Driving Under the Influence" of alcohol, illegal drugs & |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Doesn't it also say to obey the law? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #86 |
126. DUH HUH! Pssst, if you haven't figured it out, I'm actually helping him MAKE his point |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
64. Do you enjoy showing your uninformed ignorance? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. How does that change the point? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. He had a point? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Yes, refuting the weak notion that it isn't mentioned in the manual |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Well, it IS mentioned, just not specifically. It falls under DUI laws also |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
107. Well then it'd cover nicotine too, wouldn't it? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #107 |
127. Is nicotine recognized and labeled as a drug? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. Uh, yeah. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. Doesn't the FDA control ALL drugs, including legal, over the counter drugs? |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
90. Well, slap my ass and call me Sally. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Next thing you know, kids will be shooting up marijuana... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
106. So you're saying the DMV manual discusses smoking crack? |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. Do you have reading problems, or just reading comprehension problems? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #125 |
138. So then the person you are arguing with is right. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. There's those reading problems rearing their ugly heads again... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #146 |
207. Looks like you're making the factual mistake. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #207 |
221. **Sigh** |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
135. Reductio ad absurdum |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
190. No, smoking crack is driving under the influence |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Hear, hear! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
108. That's alright, we'll survive just fine. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
131. I hear you. First those nanny-staters tell me I can't drive drunk |
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Greyskye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
134. Don't wear your seatbelts, and disconnect the airbags then. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:40 AM Response to Reply #31 |
175. Good stay out. |
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RFKJrNews (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 05:06 AM Response to Reply #175 |
182. Legislating Behaviour |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
216. As a Californian, I am grateful for your decision n/t |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
45. next step: don't allow smokers to have kids. May those of you |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. yeah. fillthy up your air in california |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
71. That's adorably hateful |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
155. I smoked when I was pregnant...both times. That was in the 1970s. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #45 |
179. actually Im choking on the smoke I had to breathe from riding in a car with my mom as a kid. |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
54. The State also requires people to wear seat belts and have their |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
57. BAN MORE THINGS*! |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Why is "nanny" a negative term? |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
83. I'm not really using it as negative |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
60. A Dr. once told me even the smell of nicotine on clothes could harm a child w/asthma |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
67. what's next?? banning sex in the bedroom? |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Holy shit some of you are so irrational |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 06:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
132. There is no case. Hence the use of hyperbole. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
85. that's what i was thinking. after all, the kids might walk in or they might |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
115. What a crock of shit. I was one of those kids stuck in a fucking smoke-filled car for most of my |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. genius? hey "genius" exactly how far do you want your government |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Do you understand why you can't smoke at a gas station? In a hospital ICU? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:28 PM Response to Reply #120 |
150. i didn't realize children were akin to explosive gas fumes or oxygen |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #150 |
158. No. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #117 |
170. Slippery slopes are fallacies for a reason |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:07 AM Response to Reply #170 |
183. oh yes, the bush administration has proved what a "fallacy" a slippery slope is |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #183 |
222. And yet |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #222 |
232. oh Please! so all this other shit is okay by you? they can get rid of |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #232 |
234. Wow you are really not good at this. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #234 |
237. you're right. i'm not. i'm tired. i'm done. bye. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #115 |
192. No doubt smoking contributes to health decline. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #192 |
208. I have to think you're being deliberately obtuse, here. First off, Cigarettes are NOT *banned*. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. They are becoming increasingly banned in most places. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #211 |
212. Again. Deliberately obtuse. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. Oh wait so it's not about protecting the health of people... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #213 |
224. Blah, blah, blah. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #224 |
243. Heh, I don't really smoke. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. I'm about freedom, too. Smokers are free to smoke, just not in every single situation they like. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #67 |
160. Only if you smoke after sex. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #67 |
178. Does having sex in your bedroom cause children to have to breathe in poison in an inclosed space? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
70. what we really need is a different way to deliver nicotine to those who are addicted |
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lligrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
161. I've Always Thought They Could Come Up With A |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
77. And no pulling up to that McDonald's window! "Put that Happy Meal DOWN, Ma'am!" |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #77 |
118. EXACTLY! it's called a slippery slope. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
78. Good |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
80. Does this ban include smoking crack? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
84. As long as we can still gamble in cars with kids, |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
92. "In the past the man has been first; in the future the system must be first." |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
97. I think this is a good idea. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
98. Now if only he'd ban car exhaust. n/t |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
100. Laws.... |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
102. Enough already, when are we the people going to stand up and scream enough! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #102 |
198. I'm not going to scream over this law, it's a good idea |
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SergeyDovlatov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
110. well. technically. they can ban smoking in your own car while driving on public road |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
112. My parents smoked in the car and it always made me sick... |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
113. GOOD. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
114. One, I'm generally against more laws telling consenting adults what they can or can't do. But Two: |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
116. all smoking? Pipes, cigars and cigs? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I actually think it's the hyperbole from the smokers who refuse to get it that's ridiculous. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. Remember the outrage about the lead-painted toys? Poisoned dog food? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. I don't know why you're seemingly directing this post at me. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #128 |
147. I was responding to your post because I agreed with you |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Gotcha. Sorry. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
122. Cars kill more kids. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:40 AM Response to Reply #122 |
187. Yes and there are other laws involving cars and kids |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #187 |
202. read past my headline next time. n/t |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #202 |
205. I certainly did read your entire post before I posted |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
124. I have never smoked, both parents did, and I don't like this law! Try to enforce it, for one thing. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
139. And the beat goes on..... nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
140. Good for them. I was one of those kids that were stuck breathing second-hand smoke in the car. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
148. Good idea on the face of it.. Parents that smoke with kids in the are fucking self centered jerks |
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #148 |
218. They'll find a way |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. They'll keep their windows rolled up, and run the air conditioner. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
149. Thank God I Don't Have Kids !!! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #149 |
159. So really, the phrase should be "Smoke 'em if you DON'T got 'em". nt |
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javadu (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
151. ONLY $100 FOR ABUSING CHILDREN |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
153. LONG overdue. This is a great step forward for human health. It will save $$$$ |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
162. Kids should buy their own cars if they don't like driving with their parents. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #162 |
176. Yeah, because kids have a choice of if they want to ride in a smoke filled cancer causing car or not |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
165. It came up a few years ago here in WA State |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #165 |
169. Do they adopt that attitude about pot smokers who are in the privacy of their own homes |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. In Seattle they do. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:24 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. SF, too. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #172 |
186. this one's to protect kids |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #186 |
206. I understand the rationale. I was one of those kids, once. |
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TheUniverse (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:35 AM Response to Original message |
173. I wish this law was around when I was 6. |
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FunkyLeprechaun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
180. Good! |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
181. All they'd have to do is enforce existing laws |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
184. This sort of thing is why I'm against state "hand-holding" 'liberalism.' |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #184 |
209. In an ideal world, parents would put their kids health over their need for a smoke NOW. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #209 |
214. Frankly I think any parent that exposes their child to unhealthy food... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #214 |
225. It's inexcusable the crap some people feed their kids. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
185. No good parent should smoke around their kids |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
188. Good idea. And I'm a smoker. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
210. I agree. |
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Kajsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #188 |
231. Me too. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
226. Good - parents have no right to expose their children to second hand smoke. |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
228. Good! nt |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
229. Good |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
233. I would have loved this when I was a kid. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
235. Shoulda done this BEFORE banning it in bars |
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JesterCS (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
236. GOOD! |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
238. If there's a kid in my car, that means my car's been stolen. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:27 AM Response to Reply #238 |
239. Fair 'nuff. I won't let SMOKERS in my car, either. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
242. You all, there IS a solution.. |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
244. Back In My Dark Ages When I Smoked |
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