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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:35 PM
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Post editor says Bush, Gonzales should be tortured
Post editor says Bush, Gonzales should be tortured
Nick Juliano
Published: Monday October 8, 2007

An associate editor and columnist for the Washington Post says that until George W. Bush and others in his administration endure the "harsh" treatment to which terrorism suspects are subjected, then Bush "will be remembered as the president who tried to justify torture."

Saying his proposal is a "serious" alternative to Jonathan Swift's "modest proposal," the Post's Eugene Robinson says Bush should endure the same detainee treatment he authorized, which "international conventions deem torture."

"My proposal on torture is serious," Robinson wrote on a washingtonpost.com discussion board Sunday. "Let me know if you agree: Bush administration officials who claim the "harsh" interrogation techniques being used on terrorism suspects are not torture should have to undergo those same techniques. Personally. Repeatedly."

The New York Times revealed last week that secret Justice Department documents explicitly authorized "a combination of painful physical and psychological tactics, including head-slapping, simulated drowning and frigid temperatures." Bush repeated denials that the US does not torture prisoners, although he has not discussed what specific tactics are used.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Post_editor_says_Bush_Gonzales_should_1008.html
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:48 PM
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1. I am very anti-torture ...
... but in this case, I agree.

I would like to have seen Rumsfeld submit to a 'demonstration' years ago, and see if he still equated what was done at Abu Ghraib with a typical college 'hazing' incident afterwards.

In addition, had Bush had everyone at the White House 'hazed' (as above) during the Valerie Plame incident, he could have 'proven' how well it works in getting guilty parties to confess.



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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 PM
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5. Yes, it's a very simple concept. If it's not torture, let's see you have it
demonstrated on yourself to show the world that what you're doing is ok. I'd pay to watch that...

Come on georgie, what's the holdup? It's NOT torture, right? Prove it!

:hi: Nance!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:50 PM
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2. bu$h* is already remembered as the president who tried to justify torture
shame shame shame
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:50 PM
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3. and those that died while under this 'harsh' interrogation? what of them?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 PM
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4. I'm with you
Eugene. Let's see if they call it torture.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 06:52 PM
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6. and a few years in prison with no habeas corpus
and all of their assets seized, etc.



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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 01:21 PM
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7. Real torture: Make them live on minimum wages for a year. Any and all
help they get will have to be through the same channels as the poor. Welfare, food stamps, TANF...

That would make a nice requirement for ALL elected officials. The first year of your term will be spent working for minimum wage with little to no benefits.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:10 PM
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8. How about live in FEMA trailers for a few years with no health insurance, no car,
only public transportation and walking to work, two minimum wage jobs, shopping for food and clothes ONLY at Wal-Mart, AND NO RECREATION!!!!!!!!!



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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 07:16 PM
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10. Great idea! Let's work towards it!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-09-07 06:13 PM
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9. Absolutely, then we'll see if they think it's torture.
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