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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:50 PM Original message |
I was never sure about dropping the atom bombs on Japan |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. I figured this would happen after that program. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. So would they have been justified in using an A-bomb on us? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Except, they started the war |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. So you're saying Iraq would be justified in nuking NYC? |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. it ended the war didnt it ? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Only if the assumption that an invasion of Japan would have been necessary. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. They were prepared to surrender |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
97. they wanted to keep their Empire, too... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:51 AM Response to Reply #97 |
135. Look around -- they STILL have their Emporer... (n/t) |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #135 |
229. Empire not Emporer. |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #135 |
236. yes, but not their Empire |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
134. No, it didn't!!! An invasion was unnecessary as was |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I don't see our troops killing |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. No, we killed 1.2 million. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. You haven't been paying very close attention to various |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #16 |
193. We killed more than a half million children in Iraq BEFORE we got there -- over 12 years of bombing |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
129. YES. n/t |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. War is stupid |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. How, then, would you have ended the war? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I am not saying it was wrong |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
136. It was already ending |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
194. self-delete |
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SCantiGOP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
36. who started the war? |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. Why do the numbers make a difference? |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. "I do not believe the Japanese cause for war was justified." What do you consider to be the Japanese |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Are you defending Japanese imperial expansionism? nt |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Do you defend USA occupation of Iraq for her resources, oil? Any justification for that action is at |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:18 PM Response to Reply #43 |
70. No, I do not. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
84. Why is Iraq coming up in this conversation? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:34 AM Response to Reply #84 |
154. Right, |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #154 |
180. I would think the bigger problem with Japan's WWII actions would be |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #180 |
268. Oh, right. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Was Japan justified in trying to rid the area of the other colonial powers? |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. So the USA, an outside force, had been occupying the Philippines for over 40 years by 1941. For what |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. It's Justification Was That Japan Was A Superior People |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
167. MacArthur |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
51. The side that wins a war has the privilege of declaring who was right and who was wrong |
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knight_of_the_star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. It spared lives on both sides |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
128. Yes. |
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Hersheygirl (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #128 |
169. I agee with you wholeheartedly |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
132. They had a whole nuclear program |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
215. Arrrtgfggggggh!!! |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #215 |
274. Very well said. Thank you (nt) |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
273. no. it was cuz God was on our side |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
280. I almost always agree with you .... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. the Japanese had offered to surrender with one condition: they could keep the emperor |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. "The real target of the A bomb was Russia." - Exactly. |
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momto3 (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
186. You are absolutely right. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah, tough decision but I'm sure it was right. Yeah, that's the ticket. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
6. the A-bombs were dropped to impress Russia, not Japan. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Yeah. He "forgot". n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #6 |
55. Got a link? |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. It's widely known they were negotiating when we dropped the bomb. n/t |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. "Got a link"...LOL...Try the MAJORITY of serious post war scholarship... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #67 |
139. It was mentioned in German Documents |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
140. Interesting |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
231. It was mentioned that Japan sought surrender |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
7. The dispute is in ethical perspectives: categorical imperative v. utlitarian ethics |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
141. And from the Utilitarian point of view |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:08 AM Response to Reply #141 |
162. Such as? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #141 |
207. Well, that's debatable |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. I thought "The War" was a brilliant piece of work. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. That's the bottom line right there. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Emperor Hirohito stepped out from his traditionally ceremonial role - |
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Loki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
10. If you have the opportunity to watch another program |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
195. Movies + films done right after Hiroshima have not been seen by the public --- |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #195 |
233. Effect = Prevented H-Bombing of Korea |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #233 |
244. Only those without imaginations would have needed to SEE the destruction --- |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #244 |
255. Those that lived Omaha Beach |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #255 |
257. However, common sense and imagination could prevent us from doing harm not only to others . . .. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #257 |
278. I'm afraid that the (lack of) reaction to the problem of global |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
11. 100% justified |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Good thing it didn't kill anybody |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. What? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I am a bit confused |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It probably saved Japanese lives too |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Enemies? |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. It ended the war |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Why not drop the bombs on uninhabited islands that they could observe? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Why not drop the bombs on uninhabited islands that they could observe? |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. Also, given the Japanese government's intransigence... |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
69. The U.S. military wanted to assess the damage |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
196. It was America's move to become a Superpower . . . and here we are, folks!!!! |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
72. They didn't even surrender after Hiroshima |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. We'll never know will we. |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:21 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. I'd rather be sure and save American lives. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. So did you put yourself in peril |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #73 |
146. You're joking, right? Hmmm, 100,000 of our people vaporized in a second? |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #146 |
161. Yes, I do |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #146 |
197. And what kind of a threat were they to us during those three days -- ???? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #197 |
276. There were still many POWs |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:12 AM Response to Reply #73 |
163. No, it wouldn't have changed a thing |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #163 |
178. No, that wasn't evidence |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
143. Wow -- Now that's REALLY racist |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Wow -- that's really stupid. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #147 |
155. And your last post was incomprehensible (n/t) |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #147 |
206. And do you know which of the people we bombed would have defended you or not? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. We Have The Benefit Of Hindsight ...Truman Didn't... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. It was a very difficult time |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Throw in the casualities from Korea and Vietnam as additional costs of USA trying to maintain |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
142. That's the propoganda |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Japan was the aggressor, responsible for the deaths of 5.4 million |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. See above |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. Um, they didn't even pay heed to when we blew up Hiroshima. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
232. Don't confuse them with history. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #232 |
269. How's that perpetual war thing workin' out for you? (n/t) |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
144. You certainly have the parroting of the propoganda down |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #144 |
176. Your historical ignorance is staggering. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #176 |
199. America was growing weary of the war |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #199 |
208. Nonsense. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. Ah, and the military was the only player involved obviously |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #209 |
216. My father was in the army in the Pacific in 1945. He'd been in more-or-less |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #216 |
219. Vengeance and data |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. I don't think it was as much about revenge as it was about making sure |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #223 |
227. There is a world of difference between dropping a few block busters and an Abomb |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:43 AM Response to Reply #208 |
271. You're just reinforcing our contention |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #271 |
284. That's false. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #176 |
270. Most of them seemed to have bought into the propoganda |
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trusty elf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
68. Sorry, that's obscene. |
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Zandor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Saving American lives |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
145. You mean these "aggressors"? |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:21 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Magnify that by 100 |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #148 |
153. There was NO tactical nor strategic reason to invade Japan |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
91. Americans > Japanese. Is that it? |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. In an all-out war, of course. |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:18 AM Response to Reply #115 |
130. So..... |
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cigsandcoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:23 AM Response to Reply #130 |
159. You took what I said and turned it in to a bizarre absolute. |
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Blashyrkh (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:39 PM Response to Reply #159 |
241. I undersand how war works, thanks. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yeah, it worked so well in Japan - let's turn the middle east into a crystal palace!!!!!!!! |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. In the Middle East, |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Syria, Iran, Iraq, go for the trifecta!!!!!!!!!!! |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Decapitate the head - Damascus, Tehran. No further bombing necessary. Show them |
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Felix Mala (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
37. We probably saved millions of Japanese people... An invasion would have |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #37 |
156. "if the Ken Burns film is right" |
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Felix Mala (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #156 |
164. My best friend is half Japanese. His dad was in the Army of Occupation where he met his wife... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #164 |
198. And our armies would have had trouble defeating unarmed citizens --- ???? |
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msmcghee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
42. The RW says that the left is always ready to blame America. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well, I am pretty sure the U.S. were the ones that dropped the bomb. |
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shain from kane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. I think it was the British that firebombed Dresden. I'm checking, and will report back. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:47 AM Response to Reply #45 |
170. Bad Idea |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #45 |
267. Oh, those criminals had a "military purpose" all right |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
277. You're right |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. A couple of fools |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
85. This is one issue where lack of perspective- lack of practicality- leads |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
220. Documents and facts get in the way of the official myth -- |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
152. Yes we did the right thing. And people don't realize how many lives it saved. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
200. BS . . . we BLAME America when America is wrong -- we stand proudly when she does the right thing -- |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #42 |
253. That's insane. |
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bronxiteforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
44. Stories from the children of the a-bombs- |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
46. the lies never stop... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
201. Love Gore Vidal -- but many here, as we can see, prefer fairy tales ---- |
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Devil Dog Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
47. Saved many lives, both American and Japanese |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
202. Fletcher Prouty also tells that they tried to swing the military into Vietnam . . . !!!! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
49. Ruh-roh |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
52. Wtf? |
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trusty elf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. WTF is right |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. once the Japanese military was hamstrung |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #82 |
188. This is exactly true -- and the myths continue as many other American myths continue .... |
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liberalsoldier5 (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. Could it be because the president was a Democrat? |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. Double WTF... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
203. And Truman announces it as an attack on a military base . . .. quite telling!!! |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
53. The thing that made me decide it was right came from interviews |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. The main reason for surrender was fear of Soviet occupation. |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
65. "right thing" is an interesting assignment of values... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Hitler was still wrong, even if he had won. There would |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Ok. So it was right to bomb Dresden, thus ending the war in Europe sooner. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
189. The fire bombing of Dresden -- wasn't it a "fire bombing" . . . ??? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #76 |
246. It isn't "moot" to me when someone says that the "winners" |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
77. I used to think so, too. Now---no. We murdered civilians. There is no argument. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
80. USA USA USA USA USA USA! |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
81. Polarizing topic, outcome and context is the key |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #81 |
190. Once the atomic bomb was used, the Cold War became inevitable . . . as a way to keep people in fear |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #190 |
245. Once the USSR breached malta |
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eric1 (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
86. Thousand of Lives saved |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 02:14 AM Response to Reply #86 |
279. Thanks, eric |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. No way, we should have bombed Pearl Harbor to show the world how it's REALLY DONE! |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
90. Agree. I have two reasons. |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
92. I always thought it was weird - how was fire bombing Tokyo |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:52 AM Response to Reply #92 |
171. The Russians |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #92 |
204. NEITHER were "okay" . . . !!! !!! |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
94. I've always thought the use of the bomb was the right thing |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. the ones in japan who suffered were civilian men, women, and children... |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:22 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Too bad.... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. did i say i had no compassion for them? |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
120. So.... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. well... |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. No |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. So? We're still in their land. Killing their people. |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:18 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. A piece of paper? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. so what's the difference between us occupying their lands in violation of international law... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #102 |
174. Innocent men and women |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #174 |
237. and the children and elderly that were slaughtered... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 07:24 AM Response to Reply #237 |
252. They were innocent |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #252 |
264. And none of them deserved to die. |
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axollot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
214. wow that was completely unwarranted - I didn't see where the poster |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Why do you put 'innocent' in quotation marks in reference to civilian victims |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Because I want to make it clear |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. oh yeah. cause the japanese children that were killed were SO responsible for the war. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #104 |
281. Maybe their parents should have considered the consequences of War |
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fizzgig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. are you for real? |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. The war their *military* started |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. hey, some people can justify anything. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
235. Think his/her point, Civilians made the bullets |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. his/her point was 'they deserved it because of the actions of their military' |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #238 |
256. Different time |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #256 |
265. And it still killed innocent civilians. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #101 |
131. your argument is hard to follow |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #131 |
158. I'm not to going to debate |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #94 |
137. By your logic |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
96. nuking japan was more to scare russia than anything else. |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. And 'scaring' the Russians turned out to be folly |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
205. Who knows; maybe America gave them the bomb . . . don't you see what was required????? |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. You know I read thru the probabilites about an attack on the |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. as i said before... |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. But that is what war is. |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. that's what war is: disgusting and unjustifiable. |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Tell me this - what is the difference between firebombing |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I don't want to know. |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. It is that thing about war - morality gets suspended. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Of course we had a choice |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #118 |
138. The major reason to drop the bomb |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #118 |
175. Negotiate a conditional surrender |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #175 |
191. Curtis LeMay was not a chartible man |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Yup |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. and with the added benefit of radiation, you kill thousands more in the long run... |
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Oeditpus Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. To be fair, though, |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. i know they didn't realize it at the time... |
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Joe for Clark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. That is right. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #103 |
210. Interest "projections" when Eisenhower saw no need for using the A-bomb . . ..what would Ike know? |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-08-07 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
125. ahh, hagiographies... is there no view you can't fix? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
133. Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
149. Hiroshima, The Unseen Pictures |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. My father took pictures of Hiroshima shortly after the bomb |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #151 |
211. Much of the reality of Hiroshima is still hidden -- even from our troops, our citizens ... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
150. And the war crimes continue in service of the Empire... |
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losthills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
157. Proof that propaganda works. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:59 AM Response to Reply #157 |
173. exactly. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:33 AM Response to Original message |
160. massacring civilians, causing untold environmental damage |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #160 |
165. what would you have done? |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. not used an atomic bomb. other countries have surrendered in the past |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #166 |
168. so you'd have continued to fight indefinitely |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 07:56 AM Response to Reply #168 |
172. nope, i believe in this particular case, japan was almost ready to surrender anyhow. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #172 |
177. "you believe" |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #177 |
181. several books that have been written on this subject |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #181 |
182. While I may not be as learned, |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #182 |
183. i am not claiming any higher learned status, just that the way history is presented in the united |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Certainly not. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #184 |
185. yes, this is true too. however, some parties are less invested and therefore less partial. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #185 |
282. India |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #183 |
217. Much of our history is the myth of white male patriarchal propaganda --- |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #217 |
218. And much of history is not. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #218 |
224. What isn't . . . ? Genocide against native Indians, Enslavement of Africans in America -- |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #224 |
230. You know, the funny thing is, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #230 |
242. So you learned two things . . . ? |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #242 |
262. Yes, our high school only covered two things. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #218 |
248. Most of what passes for history in USAmerica is bullshit (n/t) |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #182 |
213. Truman's diary indicates that Japan was asking for "peace" -- and Ike saw no need for A-bomb -- |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #213 |
221. The Eisenhower quotation you refer to |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. BS -- Eisenhower spoke against using the A-bomb on Japan BEFORE the attack --- |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #221 |
249. "unacceptable"? |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #249 |
259. That, and to the Chinese and Korean civilians |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #259 |
275. You don't really think that racist USAmerika gave a shit |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #181 |
240. America is Righteous! America is Just! America can never be wrong! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #168 |
212. The US wanted to fight "indefinitely" -- see Fletcher Prouty + attempts to move troops into VN -- !! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #212 |
222. link? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #222 |
226. Let me suggest that you educate yourself: Look up Fletcher Prouty --- |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #226 |
234. And saying, "look it up yourself" is not evidence. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #234 |
243. And saying that you'd rather not research for yourself leaves you without information . . .. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #243 |
247. i took your advice, and here's what I found |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #247 |
258. As I've told you, Prouty spoke about the amassing of military weaponry in an A&E documentary . . . |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #258 |
260. So give us some of the writings. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Go to Fletcher Prouty's website . . . or look up Fletcher Prouty --- |
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Rhythm and Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #261 |
263. Okay, first, Fletcher Prouty is a crank |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #166 |
179. Other countries |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #179 |
250. Didn't have to |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #160 |
239. but their army was evil and the citizens weren't innocent because the army was evil... |
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GirlinContempt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #160 |
283. WAR CRIME |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
187. Any chance that the program was intended to reinforce the idea of a need for violence -- ???? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
192. One crucial point... |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-09-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
228. Hey. The goddamn bomb was dropped. It stopped the |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 12:46 AM Response to Reply #228 |
251. Yep, all in the past...never think about it now |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #251 |
266. You would disagree that the US would not use |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #266 |
272. Against whom, oh bloodthirsty one? (n/t) |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-11-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #272 |
285. Oh, like No. Korea, Iran, or any other of Bush's enemies, |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-10-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
254. I agree. |
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