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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:31 PM Original message |
"Why Is US Grad School Mainly Non-US Students?" |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Because other countries actually care if people are educated and ours doesn't anymore? |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Bingo. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Who defines who cares? |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Those other countries offer subsidies for gratuate education. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Do you think it has anything to do with the COST and lack of jobs? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I didn't have to pay a dime for the 2x I went to grad school. I wasn't aware that anyone did... |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Try studying the humanities |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. (shrug) I thought my Ph.D. in philosophy WAS humanities. My mistake. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Guess I'm just an idiot then n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
24. Mathematics people have job possibilities that other humanities majors don't. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. Unless it was all mathematical logic. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #100 |
110. A healthy chunk of that, but as much Rorty and Hegel as anything else... |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #110 |
121. And Rorty is now gone alas. Just last year I believe. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #121 |
135. Rorty: Yup - I believe mine was the first DU post on it, in fact... |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
145. aren't all Ph.Ds in philosophy? |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. I have certainly gotten the impression that the humanities aren't well-funded |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
71. or by the government |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. (shrug) My philsophy degree was very well funded. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. is that a counterexample to what I said? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I thought you were in agreement with whoever said that humanities weren't well-funded. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. no -- |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. History here |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
118. my (almost*) MA in Music was not |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
108. You are quite right |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
88. it's not quite as simple as that |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. I guess your RA isn't my meaning of RA? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. ah -- a common source of confusion |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
123. I didn't pay a dime |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Gee, the 2X I went to grad school, EVERYBODY paid for their own. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
34. Funding varies dramatically from field to field. nt |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Sounds as though you were really really lucky, then |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Huh. Everyone I knew in grad school was on fellowship/research or teaching assistantship... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. That's true in fields like math, science, and engineering. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
82. Company/Employer Paid Tuition |
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Chomskyite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. When? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #28 |
45. 10-15 years ago. But there's a more recent one just below this post. |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
58. I find the best thing is to take my personal anecdotal experience |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Zing! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. lol! Some people have low standards about what counts as a zing. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. everyone i knew was on fellowship/research also |
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distantearlywarning (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
37. Everybody in my program is fully funded, including a tuition scholarship. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
83. It was the case for all ten or so programs I was accepted to.... |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. That's true at many schools -- at my state school it was. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
106. What?! Not every Masters candidate can be made a TA. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:38 PM Response to Original message |
4. My mom was the dean of the school of education at a university. The answer is very |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. That is SCARY ... and very sad. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Thanks for school of education's perspective. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Yeah, because, why would we want to pay for education? |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I find it hard to believe this is true of *graduate* school in Engineering and the sciences |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. Consider the source. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
49. nope, she taught phds. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. There's another reason. Visas. Foreign students at US universities escape quotas. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. US graduate school is not mainly foreign students. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Accounted for in the OP from the get-go. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:10 AM Response to Reply #12 |
31. It is if you don't count law and med. nt |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. Because that's where the jobs are???? |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. Our Comp. Sci. Dept. has mostly foreign students, and 3/4 of the teachers are foreign. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-30-07 11:58 PM Response to Original message |
18. I personally believe that a large number of Americans cannot find |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
21. When I went to graduate school in the 1970s, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
47. That was my experience in the 90s. |
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Piltdown13 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
130. Interesting! |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
22. Computer science and engineering jobs have disappeared from the U.S. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. And the ones that are here aren't very secure. n/t |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
26. For us DUers who don't know your feelings about this, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #26 |
48. I have a low opinion about Americans' intellectual abilities and interests. |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:47 AM Response to Original message |
29. It depends entirely on the area of study. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
30. The Feds stopped funding grad school in the 60s because of the draft, except for law and med... |
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Silver Gaia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. They work it so it takes longer than four years in a lot of cases, too, |
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Silver Gaia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
32. I'm currently in grad school in the Humanities. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. English programs are huge exploiters of grad students. They accept them to get folks to teach... |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
112. that's pretty astounding |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. And literally taken, probably illegal. |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
36. Since it's an increasingly integrated global economy |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Um, because education is a *publicly funded* good paid for by the taxpayer and ostensibly |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I'm not a laissez faire type |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Hoookay. But back on this planet, the entity formerly known as "America" continues to tax me |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. In theory |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. What you have posted is nonsensical |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
38. That's a good question |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
39. I think in a lot of "engineering" type fields, Americans often feel they can't compete |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
40. You want the real answer? Its because they have engineering jobs back at home, americans don't |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
41. University of Wisconsin has surprising ties to Shanghai and Hong Kong. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
50. In technology, that is true |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I think that's a major part of it. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. If lawschool is so much easier than engineering, why don't foreigners dominate there too? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. 100% english proficiency is required in law school, not so in tech |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. This is absolutely not true. |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
89. Just try following a Socratic lecture with mediocre English skills. It's a serious disadvantage. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. There is no bar to foreign nationals practicing law in the US |
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Tigermoose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. A degree in U. S. law is not very useful in India or China. (nt) |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. This is also 100% not true. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. The things I have seen outsourced in the legal community |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. This doesn't answer why lawschools are not dominated by foreign students... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. A US law degree isn't as useful to international students |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. A US law degree is a prerequisite for practicing law in the US |
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BadgerLaw2010 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. Paralegal slave labor (US or elsewhere) don't have law degrees |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. No one but you has mentioned paralegals. nt |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 01:45 AM Response to Reply #96 |
122. I couldn't get a paralegal job with a Juris Doctor. |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #50 |
140. Law school, med school, business school are "professional schools", not the same as grad school. In |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. Because American universities are able to cherry-pick the top 0.5% or so of students... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. But I see the same in the real world - the white folks aren't there EITHER - lol! |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. "Of course, those positions required advanced technical degrees." |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Well, except that companies aren't paying them cheaply. |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. They are paying them more cheaply than if they had to rely on U.S. citizens only. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. So say you. I was there with them - we were getting paid top dollar. |
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obnoxiousdrunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
120. These guys |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:49 PM Response to Reply #120 |
136. In America at least, they're not. Despite what disgruntled conventional wisdom may say. |
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uncertainty1999 (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
138. more on cherry picking... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
66. Grad school is expensive |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. People keep saying that. I've not experienced it... |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
67. My nephew is at Stanford Engineering |
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Dan (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
70. Reading this thread has been interesting |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
80. I actually think this is a important issue you talking about |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Or not, as the case may be. But yah - about as important as it gets, in my book. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
92. Blaming this on outsourcing is an easy cop out |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Thank you much for posting that. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
97. Because I'm going to grad school in Canada. *rimshot* (nt) |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
99. hmmm - I don't know if that's true |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
102. My family has two Engineering Professors at Cornell & U. of Rochester |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. I am not sure this is how it generally works |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. It's not a conspiracy and both Professors I talk about deal with Graduate only...but |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. BTW...here's an article posted in DU Finance Section you might find interesting...: |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
103. Why don't you post the data on foreign re |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #103 |
107. I wondered when someone would bring up 9/11. |
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bonito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
105. Kick and recommended! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
115. Are American students less qualified? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. How un-Amercian of you to suggest it. |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:28 AM Response to Reply #115 |
125. no, definitely not...I know it is hard to believe but the faculty, all foreign-born, |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #125 |
126. which faculty? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. They're just making shit up. Funny how white folks are the FIRST to cry "racism"... |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
117. The IT field is filled with HB1 visas |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-01-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Yah - people keep saying it - I never see it... |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:24 PM Response to Reply #119 |
131. I'm talking specifically in the IT field |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:34 PM Original message |
65K a year? That really is awful. Now, where is my little violin? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. 65K a year? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. The term "IT" boilerplates an ambiguity that's worth untangling.... |
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Mend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
124. happening here in Fl in engineering specialties...and when the PhD is granted, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Hm. Funny that I never experienced it either in school or professionally... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
129. Some info on rate of aid in graduate schools. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. When I have time, I'll extract the conditionalize that data to what's relevant here.... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
132. My guess would be-it's because a lot of non-US students apply, |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. Which of course eagerly invites at least two obvious, relevant further questions. |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. U.S. culture glorifies the investment banker making 800K a year on Wall St. much more than |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. American born engineers are tired of getting canned all the time. No job security. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. There were big layoffs and hiring freezes about ten years ago. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. A biochemist would be lucky to make 90K, even with a PhD. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #134 |
148. I notice that the OP *still* has no theory as to why foreigners don't dominate Med and Law schools |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. I'm sorry - I missed where I undertook the obligation to theorize about anything you want. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. Especially when the point you refuse to address destroys your thesis, eh? nt |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #151 |
153. Umm.... yah. |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Grad students provide cheap labor to their university departments. Professional school students |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-03-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. "[professional] school admissions are more competitive..." BINGO! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
143. My son graduated with a double major - chemical and mechanical |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-02-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Yep, show the boss how your new technology can help them. |
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