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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:23 PM Original message |
Primer: How to protect your civil liberties at Circuit City. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. "you won't have time to post ridiculous arguments on DU for a while." |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Sorry, I don't understand the reference. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Matthew 7:3. Romans 2:1 |
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The Vinyl Ripper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. LOL, n/t |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Depends on which planet you are currently on, I suppose *grin* |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I guess you missed the arrest. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. No, I agree that the arrest (as described) seems out of line, and posted so... |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 06:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
57. I think this has gotten so much response because it is something everyone has experienced |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. (and for those of us without bibles to rush off and look up the reference, |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Got Google? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. That's pretty obscure. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
63. LOL! |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. Contender for a DUzy |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Nah, it's reactionary and droll. |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Droll's usually good enough for a DUzy |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. reactionary + snark = flame-bait |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Herein the incendiary nature of wit, even in the service of |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. See response #12, for example |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. DUzy - worth this ain't |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I've worked 20-some hours in the past two days |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Take a deep breath.... |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. Amen |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Agreed. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
41. but you gotta admit the second paragraph was good |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Same here |
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JeffR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Dang, sakabatou, I was just lurking in this thread |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'm with you brother |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Forgot those. Thanks for the reminder!!! |
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The Vinyl Ripper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Smoke what? n/t |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Freshly-disemboweled roosters ... seeking product guidance from the FSM. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:24 AM Response to Reply #15 |
36. My uh, um.... religious sacrament.... yeah, that's it /nt |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. Actually, a private business can insist you not bring a weapon inside their place. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. OK, forget Circuit City and protect your rights at... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Don't need to buy no Walmart guns |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
86. WalMart can prohibit you from bring a gun into the store. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. If you don't have the absolute protection of the first or second amendment |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #24 |
31. THEY have rights too |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. They just don't have the right... |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
65. They have the right to challenge you HONESTLY if they think you stole something |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The point is that the store has rights, too. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. They have right. You have rights |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. no kidding, I keep wondering about that little disconnect |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #32 |
69. It's about property rights. They have a right to not have weapons on their's |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. actually, there are "progressives" here that think they are the |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. And some of us "progressives" wonder about... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Seems to me you don't know a whole hell of a lot about |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Several years in retail with two as store manager... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Molehill? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The link that said that 2/3 of the false arrest lawsuits resulted in no damages awarded? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Of course there would have to be damages for the plaintiff |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. My point is that there are such BIG violations going on. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It is your opinion that it is a poor example and that is all it is. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. You are assuming the "without cause" part. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. As I have said, I object to the policy |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Give it a rest-- as a card carrying ACLU member and... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. You are mistaken. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. To me, they seem to have had probable cause. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:24 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Thinking someone is a shoplifter IS NOT probable cause. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. That is for a judge or jury to decide. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. FWIW |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:24 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I don't know about the others, but I do it to enlighten you. nt |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Well, when will you enlighten me? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
68. Hey, me too. And I still won't show the receipt unless they make a charge |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
70. merh, does it seem to you that some 'progressives' are shrinking the tent? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Hell, not only are they shrinking it |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
22. Whatever you do, don't... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
30. more importantly, while exercising your first and second amendment rights, |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
52. Way to avoid the actual issues at hand! |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Not at all. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:23 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Once again, you are blatantly avoiding the issue. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Avoiding your hypothetical issue? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. The lesson begins ... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. YOUR lesson begins... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Did I ever say this was a constitutional issue? No. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. In the authoritive article that Merh presented... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. That's because the courts ruled that the damages were not significant. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. So, simple detaining is ruled as no damage? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. No, they can NOT. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I wouldn't put us through all that legal hassle and expense |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. They will tell the store to inform its receipt checkers that the check is voluntary. |
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Demintheusa (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 07:41 AM Response to Original message |
60. Making a joke at the fact the COP yes the COP violated his rights |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:50 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Have to agree with you there. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. It's both. See above. n/t |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Are you sure about that |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
73. flame bait |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
76. Please explain why you are SO WILLING to take it up the a*** by authority figures? |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Please explain to me why you think Circuit City is an authority figure. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. The problem is...YOUR POSITION suggests that you think Circuit City is an authority figure. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. No, I think they have the right to set reasonable policies for behavior on their property. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Any place of business has the right to refuse you service for any reason. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. imprison? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. False imprisonment means detaining an innocent person against his will. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. You are making a statement as to what constitutes probable cause. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Google is your friend, my friend. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. He/she doesn't care. I suspect he/she engages in the same "checking" behavior at his/her business. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I don't work in retail at all. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
96. The first and second amendments do not apply to private property. n/t |
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