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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:41 PM Original message |
Why is masculine bisexuality confused with homosexuality and, for instance, vilified in our society? |
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Captain Hilts
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Stepping out on a wife and two kids is totally not cool. No matter what you're steppin' with. nt |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'm not talking about cheating, but the double standard when it comes to bisexuality... |
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aquart
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Bisexuality is almost an implication of cheating. |
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AZBlue
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. What if you're not in a monogamous relationship with someone? |
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aquart
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. I'm seeing him, I'm seeing her, I'm seeing him, I'm seeing her... |
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Atman
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. For some people, it works. |
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AZBlue
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #59 |
82. It does for some people, yes, it works very well for them. |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
91. There are many, many polyamorous relationships |
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closeupready
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I agree. Now, would you like to answer his question? |
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ProudDad
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because we live in a horribly |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Are you saying ALL men who have affairs or leave their wives for men are bi-sexual? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. What if they are repressed bisexuals? That possibility is never considered. |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. That doesn't square with the "living a lie" theme that we hear so much..... |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. But think about that it is much easier for a bi woman |
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LostinVA
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
99. Why would you think a bi woman wants to have a threesome with her man? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. That's not my view. I'm trying to simplify the issue with certain hypotheticals |
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Lex
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. "see how many semi-drunk girls are making out just to impress guys" |
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Clark2008
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. And not worth the effort. |
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frogcycle
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. good lord where have you been all my life??? |
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TahitiNut
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
111. Shhhh! ... I'm off in search of the mold ... maybe there're more! |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I know, and that's exactly my point. |
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KoKo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Where do you hang out that girls are all over each other trying to impress guys? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Ybor City, Tampa, FL. |
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KoKo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Could have just been a weird club...not typical...though, couldn't it? |
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northzax
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
92. among the under 25 set |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Yep. |
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Kat45
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
63. Hey, I saw that happen in two different clubs in the past two weeks! |
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KoKo
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
136. Stuffs been going on for years...it's just more "open" now..... |
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LostinVA
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
100. "lesbic?" |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. In Spanish, we use the term/adjective "lesbico" or "lesbica" to describe |
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LostinVA
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Ah -- my Spanish is only good enough to order drinks in Mexico |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. So the term "lesbic" doesn't exist in English? |
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LostinVA
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. No -- it's definitely not a real word or any sort of slang term I've heard |
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Colobo
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:01 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. So what would the correct adjective be? |
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LostinVA
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Lesbian |
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Liberal_in_LA
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Fri Aug-31-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
117. Double standard: Madonna and Britney making out on TV, public less likely to 2 male stars kissing |
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BlooInBloo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
8. Cuz girls are HAWT! |
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treestar
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. Anything the same done by men and women has a double standard |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. Most people wrongly assume sexuality is binary. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I agree with you 100%. That's the way I see it. |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
94. I wonder how hard it would be to get reliable data on this. |
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Clark2008
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. There is a graph |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Cool. Do you know if it is weighted towards the ends? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No, I truly don't know about the graph. I haven't seen it. |
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frogcycle
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. here it is |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. The one with the z-axis representing time is pretty awesome, but it doesn't have any data. |
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InkAddict
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Then there's this other third "normal"? |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. That's interesting as well. |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. I don't agree....... |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. That sounds like simply forcing a continuum into binary arguments a la Quentin Tarantino. |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Viola...... |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Yeah, that isn't contradicting what I said or vice versa. It's simply saying sexuality... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. But aren't you saying that, SOMEWHERE along the graph, they have a "choice"? |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I don't remember saying that at all. I'll go back and read what I wrote. Hold on...-n/t |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Nope, I didn't say anything about "choice," you did. - n/t |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I didn't mean to say it was a quote. |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Are you talking about the graph the other poster linked to? |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Yeah, I might have gotten a little too wrapped up in the "choice" discussion. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. You got it, and go to bed! |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Ha! Goodnight to both of you. - n/t |
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BoneDaddy
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
69. ding ding ding |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I win! - n/t |
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BoneDaddy
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. LOL you win |
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porphyrian
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Heh, I'm just happy with the title. - n/t |
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begin_within
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
106. You're right. It's not black and white. There are many shades of gay. |
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porphyrian
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Fri Aug-31-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
124. Heh, uuuuunh...a nuclear pun... - n/t |
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frogcycle
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. point well taken |
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closeupready
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
17. Some people here would be surprised, I think, to find that many women |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I wouldn't. A female friend told me that once, and it made sense to me. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Not that many, for a lot of reasons, one of which is that they know |
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Lilith Velkor
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Fri Aug-31-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
116. I would! |
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eridani
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
120. Google "slash fiction" and find out |
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Colobo
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
132. Yeah, but in our society how many women would say that as openly as men talk |
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AnnieBW
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Yeah, just look at some of the fanfic on the Internet |
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Withywindle
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. Lawd yes! |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:14 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Hahahahaha!!! But, honestly |
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Withywindle
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I've said it. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Hahahahaha!!! Now I know about women in Chicago... :) |
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LostinVA
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
102. Yep |
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phaseolus
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
26. As far as I can tell... |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
27. Is anyone unhappy in your above scenario? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I just supposse that many of these conservative, gay hating married men |
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Redstone
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
29. Do even a few bisexual women solicit relationships with strangers in public bathrooms? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. What does that have to do with my post? |
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Redstone
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. I thought it raised a good point. Maybe it didn't. If so, feel free to ignore it. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It does, Red, and thanks for the input. However, I'm trying to focus on |
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Redstone
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. And it's good that you do so, it really is. But the problem that people have with the |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Craig is sleazy, no doubt, but I believe |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Ha! You've never been to Divas! |
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Redstone
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Hey, you know that I don't get out much. But I'm sure you know what I meant. |
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
112. some drunk ho's be shagging in the restroom in |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
32. Because in macho authoritarian culture, "masculinity" is actually an incredibly fragile thing... |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. In the Armed Forces |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
43. I don't know if people are getting my point. |
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Mend
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. you are presuming Craig has sex with his wife. The children are adopted. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I didn't know those details, which bring new light on the story. |
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Mend
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I also know women who literally have had sex only a few times in their |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
48. A married bisexual, is by definition, not monogamous. |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The marriage is not exactly my point, though. |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Bullshit. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. you're confusing orientation with activity |
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Mend
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. and it is possible to be gay, be married, and be sexually inactive with the wife |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. exactly n/t |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Ha! There you are. I posted your thread, from the other night, up-thread. n/t |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. where Craig falls into the grand scheme of things |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
79. I make no distinction between a gay or straight marriage. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Well there's a lot of bisexuals who would disagree with you |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Fri Aug-31-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #85 |
118. I think it's about labels. |
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eridani
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:44 AM Response to Reply #48 |
122. Not true. The fact that you are attracted to both sexes-- |
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AZBlue
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. Many in this thread are arguing that bisexuality is wrong because it's not monogamous. BUT... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
76. If they are saying "that bisexuality is wrong because it's not monogamous" they are wrong. |
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AZBlue
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. True. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
65. I think the Craig "marriage" was one of convenience . . . . following the '82 GOP page scandals? |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. I agree with the statistics you mention although |
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defendandprotect
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Agree -- |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. What a terrible thing! Didn't know about that being one of the consequences |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
88. I'm glad these topics can be discussed in an intelligent, open minded manner here at DU. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
96. You're right - for women it's just "expermentation" but for men it's being branded for life |
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Colobo
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Exactly my point. |
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Thu Aug-30-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. I think it's that men are more homophobic than women are... it seems like women can |
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eridani
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:45 AM Response to Reply #104 |
123. True when reacting to gay kids as well |
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idgiehkt
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
113. nobody wants the bi's though |
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dysfunctional press
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
114. it's always been explained to me fairly simply: |
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Colobo
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. LOL! That's what my parents say and what I used to say |
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HardRocker05
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
119. it's like the one-drop rule; you're either 100% red-blooded hetero, or you're a f**king fag. sorry |
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eridani
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Fri Aug-31-07 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
121. It's true--biphobia does indeed seem mostly directed towards men. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm
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Fri Aug-31-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
125. First, I don't think Craig was ever bi-sexual. I believe his marriage to be one of |
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Fri Aug-31-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
126. Women who are promiscuous are "sluts," heterosexual men who are promiscuous are "studs." |
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Katherine Brengle
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Fri Aug-31-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Oh sweetheart, it's because |
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raccoon
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Fri Aug-31-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #127 |
131. Thank you! |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Fri Aug-31-07 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
128. masculine sexuality is considered important and the betrayal of this sexuality |
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libnnc
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Fri Aug-31-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #128 |
129. that's a really good point |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Fri Aug-31-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. thanks. |
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Chovexani
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Sat Sep-01-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. Remember, it's not really sex unless there's a penis involved |
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HiFructosePronSyrup
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
133. Well now wait a minute... |
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Not necessarily, because I'm not referring to those who are gay. |
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Fri Aug-31-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Right, but how would you know if somebody in the closet is gay or bi? |
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