Voters Prefer GORE For President - Above ALL Dems - In New Michigan Poll

[kpete]

Gore Tops All Democrats in New Michigan Poll

Michigan voters prefer Gore, Thompson

Charlie Cain and Mark Hornbeck / Detroit News Lansing Bureau

Al Gore - 36%.
Hillary Clinton - 32%.
Barack Obama - 16%.
John Edwards - 8%.

The crowded field of presidential hopefuls isn't crowded enough to suit Michigan voters, who prefer two unannounced candidates for the Republican and Democratic nominations, a new Detroit News/WXYZ-TV poll shows.

Former Tennessee Senator and TV star Fred Thompson would lead the GOP pack and former Vice President Al Gore would top the Democratic slate should they decide to run, according to a statewide survey of 400 likely Republican and 400 likely Democratic primary voters in Michigan conducted last Wednesday through Monday by EPIC/MRA of Lansing.

When his name is included in the field, Gore gets 36 percent support compared to 32 percent for New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, 16 percent for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and 8 percent for former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, the poll shows. When voters stick to announced candidates only, it's Clinton with 45 percent, Obama at 26 percent and Edwards at 16 percent.

more at:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070814/UPDATE/708140452/1020/NATION

[valerief]

1. Duh, America voted for him for president! They have to take polls to see the obvious? nt

[DesertRat]

2. k&r for President Gore!

[mzmolly]

3. WOW, that's so freaking encouraging!

Al, you listenin? ;)

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

5. I'm Not Sure He Is Anymore

I am beginning to believe he truly does not want to be President. Or at least not anytime in the next 8 years.

I guess we're going to be stuck with Hillary most likely.

[mopinko]

13. nope

people close to him say he is thinking about it very seriously. especially since none of the candidates are saying jack shit about climate.

[RestoreGore]

27. And when do you say anything about climate?

[SammyWinstonJack]

142. You don't think that Gore can multitask? I think he can. I think he was born to be our President

and I think he wants that. Unless you know him personally, how can you say either way? :shrug:

[RestoreGore]

143. Did you reply to the wrong post?

I asked the poster above when they talked about climate. I wasn't talking about Mr. Gore and his ability to multi task. That isn't the issue, and unless you know him personally how can you say anything one way or the other either? How can anyone here do that? And where did I do that? And wanting it and being able to get it in this BS phoney toxic system is another which he also fully understands and for me has nothing to do with his qualifications or abilities which I personally believe are exemplary. I wouldn't be here supporting his work if I didn't think that. But it won't happen with a military industrial complex in place, rigged voting machines, and an apathetic distracted populace that can't even see the urgency of the climate crisis we face. To me people are putting the cart before the horse and not realizing that the changes Mr. Gore is seeking from out here are exactly what we must take up to change this system so that Democracy returns to this country regardless of who holds office. Bottomline however, I want him to be where he wants to be and believes he can be more effective in affecting policy, and if being where he is now is where he truly wants to be and is more effective which I do think is true now, then I support him and am happy for him. As he stated in Singapore, he is only 59, meaning he shouldn't feel the need to be rushed or need to explain everyday why he has no plans to run in 2008.

[mopinko]

10. trust me, he is listening

who paid for the poll? i am told that money raised on algore.org is used for polls.

[sybylla]

101. No kidding!

That is very encouraging. In my book, Al is one of those few Dems who could rally the base and bring over the swing voters with a flute and a few of the right words.

Run, Al, Run!

[cascadiance]

4. Ask the correct questions of the correct mix of people and you'll get the correct answers!

[RestoreGore]

66. That's politics.

[Peregrine Took]

6. Re-Elect Gore! Yes!!

[malaise]

7. Run Al Run!

K & R

[rosesaylavee]

8. Way to go Michigan! n/t

:patriot:

[gollygee]

9. This Michigander is in full agreement!

Run, Al, Run!!!

[LisaL]

11. And he isn't even running. Just imagine if he actually run.

[dalaigh lllama]

12. Yo, Al! AL!

Are you seeing this Al? C'mon!

RUN, AL, RUN!


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Not surprised, he runs, I will join his organization

he seems to be the honest guy out there, him and Kucinich

[closeupready]

76. I will ,too.

n/t

[Desert Liberal]

116. Talk about a dream ticket for everyone involved on this

side of the aisle! Gore/Kucinich 2008! Hell yeah, two terms with Gore as Prez and then two more with Kucinich, who would, finally, be 'electable'!

But regardless, RUN AL, RUN!!!!! I wrote him a letter about two months ago, begging him, quite literally, to run. For our sake, the sake of our children, and the sake of our nation...


RUN AL, RUN!!!!!! We need you!

:toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast:

[PassingFair]

129. There are MEET-UPS to be found now, just like oldy times.....!

I'm going to a discussion group for his "Assault on Reason"
book at a bookstore that will include a respected indy-media reporter,
a former Congressional candidate and radio personality and a
local history professor....tipped off by signing a "draft Gore"
petition.

Great people involved.

[Pastiche423]

15. I would love to see the percentages

in a nationwide poll. My bet would be that Al Gore's percentage would be higher than 36%.

K&R

[AtomicKitten]

16. that's what I'm talking about

Run, Al, run.

[blm]

17. Please do it for your country, Al.

I am sick to DEATH of the coverups that we've been getting for decades now.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[ms liberty]

18. Please run Al! We need your experience, your vision, your leadership! n/t

[bvar22]

19. Al Gore would unite the Democratic electorate.

Pro-War/Anti-LABOR Hillary WILL split the Democratic Party.
There WILL be mass defections to an Anti-Iraq War 3rdParty Populist.
Hello Republican President (and possibly Congress) in 2009.

[jwirr]

81. I am really afraid you are right. I am poor and cannot afford to let

the status quo continue to run this country. I need Al Gore to run for me and my family because he not only will address the problems of climate by introducing a FDR type economic program aimed at building an alternative and sustainable economy but he will do it without forgetting the poor of either our nation or the world. I also need him to give us our rights back because without our rights we are all poor.

[SallyMander]

20. I'm trying not to lose hope...

But i want him to run so badly -- I have trouble really getting behind anyone else. And it's August... i'm feeling a little disheartened... :-(

[DesertRat]

52. Hang in there SallyMander

Remember that Bill Clinton didn't enter the race until October '91. :patriot:

[SallyMander]

85. ok... that makes me feel better

Although if Al Gore does get in, i'll probably NEVER finish my PhD! ;-) I'll be pounding the pavement till my feet fall off!

[Mendocino]

110. Aldo Leopold

"One of the penalties of an ecological education is that one lives alone in a world of wounds. Much of the damage inflicted on land is quite invisible to the layman. An ecologist must either harden their own shell and make believe that the consequences of science are none of their business, or become the doctor who sees the marks of death in a community that believes itself well and does not want to told otherwise." Aldo Leopold from Round River.

[SallyMander]

123. i considered using the first line of that quote

for my sig line... but it makes me want to cry... are you an ecologist?

[Mendocino]

130. "A thing is right when tends to preserve...

the integrity, stability and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when tends otherwise."

Aldo Leopold

No I'm not. I had hoped to become a naturalist/ranger, but circumstances prevented it. Sometimes I truly regret not pursuing the field.

[ThomWV]

21. The best possible Presidential Candidate we could run.

[JNelson6563]

22. No surprise to this Michigander!

Plenty of good, sensible people here in Michigan! :toast:

Julie

[Upfront]

98. Hey Julie!

You got that right. Run Al Run!

[JNelson6563]

106. Long time no see!

:hi: :toast:

[BattyDem]

23. Hey Al ...

What is it going to take to get you to answer our call?

You have always said that you would have to have a compelling reason to run. So, I want to know ... what is a "compelling reason" to you?

Come on ... tell me.

Just say the words and we'll meet your criteria.

Seriously.

Whatever it takes.

We need you, sir. :patriot:


On edit: While I'm thrilled to see Gore polling so high, I must admit that it scares the hell out of me! When rank-and-file Democrats are more enthusiastic about the one man who isn't running than they are about the eight people who are running, that can't be a good sign. :-(
Of course ... if Gore were to jump in the race, that fear would completely disappear!

[roamer65]

24. That's why I have a "Gore 2008" sticker on my car.

We love AL in Michigan. We delivered in 2000 and will again for him.

[RestoreGore]

25. Wow, a whole 144 people

Mr. Gore was right... Polls are a destructive force in our Democratic process... and look at all who still fall for them and think that is going to change his mind about anything one way or the other as if a BS poll more than likely commissioned by algore.org which is a political organization looking for a desired result like they all do is more important than the climate crisis. Amazing how NONE of these polls are ever about that. They should do a follow up poll of those 144 people and ask them if they have done anything to support Mr. Gore's environmental efforts. It would be interesting to see the results of that one. And please, Fred Thompson? It's obvious then that people don't choose because they are believing in the people they choose or issues, but about name recognition. It's exactly as he explained it in The Assault On Reason, and that is no reason for him to enter that crap again, and I don't think this is what he said he was waiting to see.

[Alexander]

29. Wow, this is how every single poll has always been done...

A random sample of a small group.

If Michigan, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Idaho, Iowa and California support Gore in the primaries, who are you to tell the voters that they're wrong?

[RestoreGore]

31. Someone whose opinion is just as valid as yours

Polls are inconclusive, flawed, and do not spark reasonable debate. Mr. Gore even stated he would not let polls sway his decisions after 2000. Are you telling him he's wrong now?

[Alexander]

34. Yes, bash the respondents of the poll for feeling Gore is the most qualified.

And I love how you automatically assume the sampled respondents have done nothing for the environment, just like you wrongly do with every DUer who supports Gore. :eyes:

If the polls are as inaccurate as you say, how do you know they didn't hit a fluke sample of 144 hybrid-driving, tree-planting environmentalists?

You don't. If you knew even half of what you claim to know about total strangers, I'd be surprised.

"Mr. Gore even stated he would not let polls sway his decisions after 2000. Are you telling him he's wrong now?"

I trust Gore to make his own judgment, and I will accept his decision and support him regardless.

My question is, what will you do if he decides to run for president? Are you still going to beat the same repetitive drum, or will you actually support the man you claim to be restoring?

[RestoreGore]

40. I didn't state that

I stated they should now do a follow up poll (since people believe them so much) to ASK THEM WHAT THEY ARE DOING REGARDING IT. I didn't say They WEREN'T doing anything regarding it. I was also criticizing POLLS IN GENERAL and perhaps you would have known that if you could see beyond your own grudge and desire to jump on my posts. And if you trust him to make his OWN judgement you wouldn't hang onto polls as you do, so spare me. And as for your last question (which gets asked of me here just as much as the "run al run" question gets asked of him,) if HE decides to do so based on his OWN judgement, I will support him. However, PUSHING him like you do for all of your talk of trusting his judgement is not what I will be doing, because I unlike you mean what I type.

[flyarm]

49. nonsence..they have inside polls that tell them exactly where the voters are standing...

Gore knows exactly where he stands...and don't even try to say he doesn't know he would win in a slam dunk!
he knows...and he knows what he is doing right now!!

fly

[RestoreGore]

64. Who is "they?"

And he sure does know what he is doing now. Too bad you don't understand it.

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

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[Desert Liberal]

118. Yes, yes, and his mother smells of elderberries!!! n/t

[Kurovski]

120. Thpppt!

Or something. :-)

[Desert Liberal]

122. Tee hee

Ya gotta love Monty AND his Python! :smoke:

You filthy English Knights!

A shrubbery for the Knights Who Say 'Nee!'

[flyarm]

126. they is the dem party..and anyone who pays the party for the inside polls!

i can easily surmise you haven't worked on many campaigns or you would know that!!

oh and i understand alot ..and i have it from an incredible source he is going to run...

but i will not devulge that source, i promised i wouldn't...

but who died and made you think you are the end all and be all of what Gore is doing and is not doing?????????

a bit arrogant for some to think they can speak for Gore...

i don't pretend to speak for him..i just have some damn credible sources who say he is ..if Hillary seems a sure thing in Sept...

so hug your tree...i believe Gore is getting in..and i have good reason to believe that..and to you i wouldn't answer a thing ..so don't even try to ask..i won't tell!

fly

[RestoreGore]

132. And I don't believe you

So you can now stop responding to me.

[FourScore]

26. He's the one for me! n/t

[Alexander]

28. The Hillary fans must be shitting themselves...

Gore is her only serious threat.

I bet they are praying for him not to run.

[RestoreGore]

32. I don't think any attempt by him in the future regarding running for office...

Would be about revenge or appeasing that desire in others.

[Alexander]

36. I never said that, so don't put words in my mouth.

I do not desire "revenge" against Senator Clinton, and if you seriously think that, you might want to put down the crack pipe. In fact I suspect she'd be a decent president and will vote for her if she's the nominee.

I just don't think she can win, and Al has signaled he might not be done with politics just yet.

[RestoreGore]

41. Practice what you preach

[Duppers]

56. why are you alienating people here?

You're not helping the environmentalism cause by doing this.
I can take preachiness for a good cause, but you're down right spiteful.

[stlsaxman]

62. I can't even see her name anymore and i know who you're replying to...

she (RestoreGore) comes on every thread about Gore '08 and calls us all idiots for our hopes and dreams.

[Forkboy]

80. You got it.

RG must be a blast at parties!

"Put down that punch,idiots!"

"Hey,stop that dancing!"

"Are you two necking? Cut it out right now!"

[RestoreGore]

65. Hey, I just gave ONE comment on polls and was attacked for it

People alienate THEMSELVES here, so kindly move on if all you are going to do is continue the persecution/ guilt complex act because some of us have the guts to be honest. It's really getting very old.

[stlsaxman]

71. ONE comment?!?! are you kidding me?!?! EVERY reply to every thread you post

is NOTHING but anti-gore for president hope-killing vitriol. You're post are as constant as sunrise. So consistent that I was beginning to think you were a freeper plant, trying to get us Gore supporters NOT to work for his nomination so that HRC could get it and the GOP could win in 2008.

But I'm giving you and your obsession way too much power by thinking that. Certainly your intentions are good and you truly do believe that Gore can do better out of office- but I truly believe this nation is doomed without Gore as our leader- he's the ONLY one that is truly qualified to lead this nation out of the hell we're in. And sadly, this once great nation is in ruins, both politically and environmentally.

Please forgive my close minded attitude to your posts. I'll try to do better, because quite frankly we need EVERYBODY who loves Al Gore (and we both do) to be supportive of his work regardless of his decision for '08.

[Duppers]

74. why don't YOU

This is the first fucking time I have called you on this, so don't preach to me, Kate. YOU HAVE CONTINUOUSLY harangued and been mean to people!!!!!!

I can prove it too. See the post above yours, for instance.

You really have some deep-seated emotional problems, woman!

Bye. you're on ignore.

[Forkboy]

79. I pointed it out awhile ago,and many,many others see it too.

RestoreGore seems to want anything but.

[earthlover]

119. I have noticed that too....

Maybe we will some day see some praise of Gore from that direction? Who knows when, though....

[RestoreGore]

131. Another voice added to the pile on...

Who apparently didn't have anything to say about the topic. If you have only noticed the above which is erroneous, you haven't been reading my posts. And since so many seem to always feel the need to turn threads into being about me, it only proves they have nothing substantive to state about the topic. Bottomline to get back to the original topic: Polls are flawed, inconclusive, and subject to manipulation based on the questions asked and who pays for them, and are part of the entire toxic political soundbite rhetoric Mr. Gore rightfully excoriates in his book. But of course, don't discuss that, just pile on someone who actually makes discussion about it instead of just coming here to repeat the usual talking points. My comments here have not been derogatory towards Mr. Gore in ANY way. They are derogatory towards a system that is manipulative, bogus, and hyped, and towards an obsessed group of people who still after all he has stated about it still don't seem to get it because "winning" is all this means to them. I do not believe that is where he is in his life right now based on his own actions and words, and I will continue to express that opinion. If anyone doesn't like it, well, too bad.

[Desert Liberal]

144. It doesn't mean 'winning' to me.

It means our best chance of survival, both as a species and a nation. You imply that those of us who wish to see a Gore Presidency are simply less intelligent than you, that we cannot see your points without agreeing with or conceding them, that we are somehow against helping the environment in every way we can. I am poor, and still I buy CF light bulbs and recycled paper products when I can, though they are far more expensive than the less 'friendly' items in the short term. I recycle even though it costs extra. I have a small Honda and am praying for a job one day that will enable me to buy a hybrid or alternative fuel vehicle. I try in every way I can to ease my footprint on the world. And I believe that Al Gore is probably the one man on this planet who can lead us through the mess we're in.

I am not 'pushing' Mr. Gore to run. I am begging him to save our nation and our environment. I am showing him my support for his ideals, and that, should he decide there is something he can do as President to help us, I will be there for him 1000%. My kids, my parents, my friends, I could get them to work for this because they too know how important these issues are, how urgent they are.

I believe that Al Gore would make the environment priority #1. That means federal spending will change. There will be no more money for this vain war in Iraq. There will be no more earmarks for pork, because that money will have to go toward developing and expanding green technology at the state and local, as well as the federal, level. A whole new economy would arise, not beholden to the precious and deadly resource of oil. Things would CHANGE in this nation. For the first time in decades, we would be going in the right direction. Fully, completely, the right direction. Al Gore's candidacy for President would make these dreams possible...we are not fools; we are optimists, I think. This is the best possible outcome of the 2008 election, the one that would, surely, steer us away from the precipice of the abyss we are facing.

It's not about winning. Not this time. It's about self preservation and the instinct to survive.

[MrMickeysMom]

35. I don't know about the HRC fans, but it made me happy-

Especially in light of seeing Keith tonight. He pretty much headlined the first portion of his program with how able Hil was to defend herself and flawlessly past Rove's probable next moves to move the machine against her.

At that point, I felt my heart sink- "Well, I guess this means Hillary will be it". :shrug: She is the only one who can stand up to these filthy liars.

I've wanted Gore to run for re-election and feared what we may be with Clinton at the helm. This pole shins a new light on matters, perhaps.

[Alexander]

38. I wouldn't mind a Hillary presidency - but I don't feel she'd win the GE.

Even if she did, every poll indicates the race would be close - close enough to steal.

I'm already prepared for the possibility of Gore not running - but I'm not going to second-guess his intentions, unlike many DUers. He has not completely closed the door on politics, and if he feels that he would solve the climate crisis more effectively as president, I'm behind him 100%.

[MrMickeysMom]

45. A good idea...

... but, when I had that moment of realization tonight, it was because I thought she would be the only one who could win the GE. Anyone else, in my estimation (many months away from GE) would induce that same fear.

Patience.... be my guide!

[bobbolink]

30. What would Al do for poor folk?

Haven't heard a thing from him about us poor people.

Nothing.

[il_lilac]

47. I was concerned about that also

But after reading Assault on Reason, I do believe he would do us poor folks right. Keep in mind he is not currently campaigning so his stand on a lot is not clear. But do remember how he jumped in after Katrina to help, and he clearly accuses the administration of not responding (or at the very least not realizing) that the poor were trapped due to lack of resources ie cars, money for motels, etc.

[bobbolink]

48. You bring up good points.

However, as for Katrina, while I admire what he personally did, and tried to avoid attention to it, still, we don't need CHARITY, we need JUSTICE! I'm not sure he really gets that concept.

NOw, Edwards is going to keep pushing, whatever position he's in, so GORE/EDWARDS could be a really good thing. :hi:

I know Edwards would push and prod Gore, if he wasn't really working hard for us.

[il_lilac]

50. I could get excited with a Gore/Edwards ticket

Of course, I could get excited with a Gore/Spongebob tick- but your right that Edwards would make sure that poverty was in the front. Read Assault on Reason, I do think he gets it. But you are right in that he has not made that his #1 focus. What I do believe is he would first tackle restoring our democracy and tackling the global crisis. But he definitly sees the need for issues such as health care for all and fairer opportunity re:education and jobs.

[bobbolink]

87. "he would first tackle restoring our democracy and tackling the global crisis"

Yes, that is like the priorities of most of DU.

ANd, how many of us poor folk die in the meantime?

And, what is the guarantee, that after so many of us suffer and die, that there will EVER be a priority for poor folk? I no longer trust that.

Remember when blacks were told to be patient and wait their turn?

Remember when women were told to be patient and wait their turn?

You don't see gays being patitient and waiting their turn.

Why should poor people wait, especially when so many are dying?

I get VERY frustrated with this, that so many liberals can't see the IMPERATIVE!

When even death isn't important, then, as Michael Moore so eloquently says, "Who *ARE* we?"

[Uncle Joe]

115. A degraded environment disproportionately affects the poor.

When global warming really hits the fan, the poor will be the first to die and in the greatest numbers, through starvation as food prices go through the roof because of drought wiping out crops and livestock, being left behind to drown when floods hit because they can't escape, from heat stroke when enough electricity can't be produced to keep them cool. Also as the middle class is wiped out due to business failures from these effects, there will be much greater numbers of poor, thus putting even more demands on government for assistance.

To a large extent, the same holds true, when our democratic republic is imperiled because the people's votes aren't counted. When a despot comes to power through corrupt means, the last people he or she will owe allegiance to are the poor. They will also be the first to die or be maimed in war, because the military may be their only option and the despot simple doesn't care enough to give diplomacy it's due, his or her people, not being immediately affect by these grave decisions. Also the despot while irresponsibly blowing up the budget on wars of choice and tax cuts giving preeminence to the top 1/10 of 1% of wage earners; (the last people on the face of the earth that need it), will then turn to gutting social security and medicare with the excuse that the baby boomer bubble is the primary cause for this. I believe this is why Al Gore said in a 2000 debate; for which he was mocked endlessly by the corporate media that he would put social security in a lock box, he knew what Bush would try to do it, once he came to power.

[bobbolink]

146. So left brained, can't even see people are dying of poverty NOW!

Poor people are ALWAYS the first hurt.

And, we're hurting now.

Does it matter?

NOpe... every other cause comes first.

Don't use us as an excuse. We're not here for your use.

If GORE can't speak out for poor folk, then we have no business electing him.

Try some compassion. It won't hurt. Promise.

[Uncle Joe]

147. If the looming catastrophe of global warming climate change isn't addressed

in a serious sustained competent manner, nothing else matters because virtually everyone, if not everyone is going to die and I don't believe it's that far in the future. I agree with you in that, the poor are dying now, however much of it is because of and aggravated by global warming, today southern Asia is flooded leaving two million refugees, they're dying now.

I'm not using this as an excuse so much as stating the obvious, humankind is on an unsustainable course. If I'm dying for whatever reason, I don't feel comfort in knowing the rest of humanity is dying with me! I prefer to die alone, not with 6+ billion other people.

In my mind, this is compassion and the only thing that hurts are your assumptions regarding my motives, and personally I don't believe anyone cares more for the people; all the people than Al Gore.

[bobbolink]

149. We poor folk ALL realize that we don't matter. Thanks for putting it in black and white.

edited to say.... *YOU'RE* the one putting it in all or nothing, not me.

Poverty AND climate.

BUt, YOU don't have any room for poverty.

So, be one-sided... I don't have room for you.

BYE

[Uncle Joe]

150. Thanks for misinterpreting my post, but that's not what I said.

I never said anything about there not being any room for helping the poor. I just tried to explain to you as to why the environment is so vital and important for everyone and you took offense.

Late last night,I realized one mistake I made, it wasn't two million people flooded out of their homes or non-homes in southern Asia, it was twenty million. Millions of poor people in that group. It seems to me, you're the one-sided one, however I have room for you anyway.

BYE

[Raksha]

55. Gore/Edwards sounds good, or Gore/Kucinich.

Those are my top three, more or less in this order: Gore, Kucinich, Edwards.

[bobbolink]

88. Kucinich dropped poverty back in '04

I was working very hard on his campaign, and was devastated by that.

I was marginalized in the campaign after that, and that is the end of my working for Dennis.

Everytime I bring this up, Kucinich people jump all over me. So, spare me.

What I'm saying here is what happened, so if you WANT poor folk to support Kucinich, then start demanding that he reinstate poverty in his campaign! Don't bash me, take it to Dennis! Pressure him!

IN the meantime, I'll continue to press for Edwards! He hasn't wavered in his committment to us poor folk!

[emmadoggy]

100. DITTO!

:thumbsup:

[Taylor Mason Powell]

57. If you read "The Assault on Reason"

you will be reassured that Gore gets the concept of justice. More than anyone else in the campaign with the exception of Kucinich (God love him), Gore is the only public person who has shown the appropriate level of outrage at this administration's misdeeds, and he's done so consistently and authoritatively since even before we invaded Iraq. I'm coming around to Edwards, and I do like that he's foregrounding poverty issues, but Gore is the elder statesman we need at this time. To read "The Assault on Reason" is to understand exactly why. Without a doubt, Gore gets it. I for one am hoping and praying he gets into the race, and hoping this Michigan poll isn't just some weird anomaly.

[bobbolink]

89. Excuse me. I don't have the $$$ for books.. you may remember that I mentioned being poor?

"Library", they scream. OK... first off, there is a LONG waiting list for that book.

Second, many homeless people aren't able to even GET a fucking library card, because we lack an address.

So, instead of assuming and lecturing down your nose, how 'bout having the courtesy to maybe quote some passages that you particularly appreciated, and would like to share?

We poor folk ARE part of the party, unless you turn your back on us, which a lot of you seem to have a tendence to do. THINK about our limitations, and understand that we dont' have the same access that you have.

"but Gore is the elder statesman we need at this time."

Let me ask you this... does it matter to you that people are DYING of poverty? How many lives is it acceptable to sacrifice? The deaths of Katrina have long been forgotten, including the suicides that came later because people had nowhere to live, and noway to survive, and that didn't even make any waves here on DU. If those deaths, and the deaths of others in poverty, and possibly/probably the deaths of some poor folk on DU make no impression and no concern comes from it, then...... why would you think any of us would be interested in Gore?

I asked a reasonable question about Gore's stand on poverty. CLEARLY, surviving is my main issue right now. Surely you can understand that??? I would think that would be understandable. I didn't ask about his global climate stance... I'm well aware. I didn't ask about his governmental stance... that has been talked about repeatedly. What HASN'T been mentioned at all is where he is on poverty. So, put yourself in my shoes.. if you were worried about your own survival, wouldn't YOU want to know a candidates commitment to your survival?

So, you can either now have some compassion, and understand what it's like from our perspective, or you can do the DU thing and defensively bash me.

Your choice.

Have at it.

edited to add... when it was on CSpan, I not only recorded it, but shared it with others, so I'd appreciate a bit of acknowledgement for that. I heard NOTHING about poverty in what he said then.

[madmunchie]

97. There is money for computer time, posting, membership to DU and

donations to drives. It appears that you are selectively choosing where your funds are going.

Not meant to bash you but I have been really really poor to, and I didn't have access or time to be an active member on a political forum and or the internet, I sure as hell didn't contribute financially to it....first there was a roof over our heads, food on the table, utilities and finding a job doing something somewhere, then there was the constant worry about next week, month....hell next day.... My mind was totally into the basics - shelter and food.....no time for ANY extras - - - Poor is really got different definitions for some.

If you have some friends, you can all chip in and buy a copy of Gore's book, then read it and pass it around, afterall it does sound like you do have discretionary spendable income. Or maybe better yet, maybe some of the DU members can start a library and donate books to people that cannot afford to buy them. Members can borrow them for the price of postage and then send them on to another for the price of postage....Of course there would have to be a code of honors for sure, so that the books could make several people and that the people were actually in need of making use of such a thing....just a thought.

[bobbolink]

135. That is incredibly ignorant! If you thought about those charges for even one minute,

you might enlighten yourself.

"Not meant to bash you "

Riiiiiiiggghhhhtt.... Jesus H. Christ on a trailer hitch, I'd sure like to see you when you *DO* bash.

Until you're ready to have some compassion rather than judging others, you'll be on my little red "x" list.

Of course, I'm compassionate enough to understand that it really would be a hardship for you to post some of your favorite passages from the book, having to do with poverty, rather than to judge someone who hasn't been able to read it.

Good bye!

[madmunchie]

140. Knew that there would be a strong reaction, so be it.

I was poor, I didn't have the time or the money to go onto the internet and be an active member because I was trying to support and raise children by myself. Sorry if there wasn't enough compassion. That isn't what I was offering, I was offering an observation at what I think is poor and what others think is poor. I was offering a way to be able to read Gore's book that might actually work, but some just like to offended and being a victim too much to see anything else.

I lived w/o a roof over my head, I lived sole support of my children w/o help from their dad, or my parents or almost anybody else. I lived in terror that I wouldn't be able to work and put food on the table or I wouldn't be able to keep a roof over my children's head. I went to work 2 shifts at times after being physically abused by my spouse to feed and house my kids in the dead of winter with no heat in the car (which was illegally tagged) hoping that I wouldn't get stopped at 2 a.m. or 3a.m. by the cops. I took my 1st baby to the hospital for pnemonia (which later turned out to be a heart defect), when I had bronchitis,on my day off of work. The emergency room doctor looked at me and told me to go get checked out because I was so sick - 4 weeks after I gave birth to my little girl and 1 week after I'd started waitressing to keep a roof over our head and to feed my little baby. Yeah, poor is living in a Salvation Army place for families....being in shock that you could end up there, Yeah, poor is, in the dead of winter, in the midwest, thinking that you might be sleeping in your car with your husband and your 3 children. So, obviously when I see money for a computer, money for internet hook up, money to donate to a political forum and time to make over 1000 posts, I don't see a situation without possible solutions...... Hey, but that is me a natural problem solver.....

[Name removed]

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[stlsaxman]

67. il_lilac is correct- in The Assault on Reason, Gore realizes the damage to this country done by...

the tax cuts for corporations and the top 1 %... and provides solutions to restoring the economy to include the poor.

If you can get a copy from your local library, please give yourself an emotional lift by picking it up! It ends quite hopefully and gets the reader to want to stand up and act!

[bobbolink]

91. I would appreciate you sharing some passages that you like

Thanks for your understanding tone. Right now, I don't have access to the book.

I'm hanging by the proverbial thread.

So, if you would be so kind as to post some quotes, it would be good not only for me, but for others.

Thanks.

[DesertRat]

125. I checked out a copy from my library

I was on hold for 5 weeks. It was well worth the wait! :hi:

[bobbolink]

134. Thank you for posting your passages. It's a help.

:eyes:

[DesertRat]

141. How can I post passages?

I said I reserved it at the library and checked it out. I returned it after 2 weeks.

[bobbolink]

145. You have more access to it than I have.

I'm just replying in the same vein as you.

You, instead of hearing the request, told me what I should do.

I'm just saying the same back to you.

You don't know my circumstances at all, but you started advising me.

Maybe if we all learned to LISTEN to each other, we could actually build peace.

Or not.

"You can have peace. If you want it."

John and Yoko

[DesertRat]

148. No

I did not tell you what to do. I told you what I did. I never mentioned you or advised you. If you read other's words and listen to what they write we might build peace.
You don't know my circumstances at all either. You only know that I took advantage of my free local library to reserve and check out a book.
Peace.

[flyarm]

51. he jumped through hoops and put up his own $$ to charter an airliner to go to New Orleans

and carried people in his own arms to airplanes..and he basically told the * people to go fuck themselves that he was going in with aircraft and getting the poor and ill out of New Orleans when the * fuckers let them die and rot in a hell on earth!..that says alot to me what he will do for the poor..he has a conscience..and a soul and a heart for others less fortunate ..he gives a damn!!

that is more than we have seen for almost 7 years!

fly

[DesertRat]

128. Yes he did, and he didn't use it as a photo op. or for political gain.

"Al Gore helped airlift some 270 Katrina evacuees on two private charters from New Orleans, acting at the urging of a doctor who saved the life of the former vice president's son."

(snip)

"Dr. Anderson Spickard, who is Gore's personal physician and accompanied him on the flights, said: "Gore told me he wanted to do this because like all of us he wanted to seize the opportunity to do what one guy can do, given the assets that he has."

http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0509/09/nat4-309467.htm

That speaks volumes about Mr. Gore's character and compassion for the poor.

[Clark2008]

69. Well, I can say this.

He'd probably actually do something about it rather than just give them lip service like a certain candidate already running.

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37. I know you've heard this before, but I'm working on it!

That's no bull. By the way, I like the donation bot. It's a good thing. :-)

[Divine Discontent]

39. your post made me giggle.. thanks! cute reply to the gravelbot n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

44. :-) eom

[BattyDem]

72. "Gravelbot"

:rofl:

[Clyde39]

42. Sequoia Paper is the reason Gore didn't win in Florida

I just watched Dan Rather's report on the fiasco and the truth is finally coming out about what this California company did----unbelievable. They purposely allowed faulty paper to go to Florida that they knew would have "hanging chads".

[illinoisprogressive]

43. careful. It is grass is always greener thing.

[marmar]

46. Another MichigANIAN for Al Gore!!!!

I know MichigANDER seems to be the monicker of choice amongst my fellow statespeople, but I refuse to be named after a waterfowl!!!

Michigan, :yourock:!!!

[SharonRB]

103. And another one here, marmar

:hi:

Yay, Michigan!

[sandyj999]

114. I am not a MichiGANDER either! I like geese but not as part of my name! n/t

[Hawkowl]

53. No Brainer nt

[autorank]

54. You bet, I have faith in the wisdom of the American public.

I'm tired of the critique that argues that we're a collection of people who are indifferent, at best, and indefensible at worst.

We're not. Our choices WHEN WE HAVE THE VERY LEAST DECENT INFORMATION are very good.

The IM department, aka, Corporate Media, has a competitor and you're looking right at it.

It's called THE INTERNET...the wild west of information technology...all information, all the time.

Of course the Democrats and the nation prefer Gore, a testimony to the good judgment of the
people and their selection on the basis of choosing the best.

[Usrename]

58. The country has always wanted Gore.

And hopefully, we always will.

[RestoreGore]

63. And that's why Bush took it twice and we let him

And the same people calling for Mr. Gore now were nowhere to be found in 2004 when he stated he wasn't running... that was just accepted because he wasn't popular and wasn't seen as a winner then by the "party". I say, if the American public is so wise why aren't all the candidates now talking about the climate crisis? Obviously then the American public is telling them to only they aren't listening? And people in this country are distracted as well as giving into the politics of fear and paranoia and that is exactly what Al Gore has been talking about for months. I would like to have faith in the American public as a whole too, but I don't think it has a very good track record for the last seven years, and seems on the whole to give into hype over substance.

[autorank]

138. Great name. The American public votes in a rigged game of an electoin

system. 2000 2002 2004 and 2006 major anomalies in each of those years, and they almost all swing to the Republican side...it's scandalous. There is no auditing of elections in this country, none. There are state provisions for recounting, which are almost always very strict in terms of the closeness of the race or the cost if the race isn't with 0.25%. But no auditing. What business or other organizations operates like that and has people who are irate when you suggest it. Republican vendors selling and, in many cases operating voting and tabulating machines; no safeguards; limited access to ballots by the public. There is no way to measure the track record because there's no real track. It's really a disgrace.

I'm all for Gore. I pray that he runs because if he does he'll win in a walk. I think Rudy G is going to implode or be caught in some scandal so that means dogs worst friend, Mitt Romney will be the guy. He's obviously odd, at least, and not very bright. Al would wipe him out in a debate.

[mod mom]

73. Faith in the Am people-yes. Faith in the voting system-HELL NO!

dude, do you ever sleep? ;)

[autorank]

139. I'm asleep as we speek;) n/t

[RevolutionStartsNow]

59. Arghhhhhhhh! nt

[krj44]

60. i do too,

i was hoping for an open convention and gore getting the nod and then placing wes clark on the ticket.

[Vidar]

61. I slightly prefer Kucinich, but Al would be great.

[Perry Logan]

68. I don't know a single person who favors Al Gore.

Just kidding. Some DUers like to say this about Hillary, so I was seeing how they like it.

[riona]

70. Good for Michigan

Every day I think about my choice for the primary. Give my poor brain a rest, Al, run!!

[Strawman]

75. We should have a much easier time turning out our voters

"The survey further reveals that Republican voters are relatively unhappy with their choices. The poll says 54 percent of GOP voters are satisfied and 40 percent dissatisfied with their slate. Meanwhile, 81 percent of Democrats are pleased with the field and 18 percent dissatisfied."

That's a huge difference.

[npincus]

77. Gore would kick probable nominee Ghouliani's ass

Hillary or any other of the Dems, I'm not so sure.

[stubtoe]

78. It would be such a shame if he chooses not to run.

.

[Hatchling]

82. I'm just tired.

So very tired of compromising and voting for the "candidate that will win".

If Al gets into the race he's my choice.

But otherwise I am voting for my ideals this time . No more compromise, I vote Kucinich in the primaries!

[garybeck]

83. Hillary will lose a general election. Gore would sweep up.

I'm afraid what will happen if Hillary gets the nomination. She has no grassroots support, she's two controversial.

Al is at the top of his game right now. Barring a major screwup, he would absolutely be our next president, if he only chooses to run.

[Emillereid]

84. My dream: Gore announces his candidacy, the other candidates leave the race

(acknowledging Gore's rightful place as President), the messy, divisive and expensive primary process is avoided and the Democratic Party unites around President Gore. Don't wake me --I'm actually experiencing hope for the human race and its civilization. It's been a while.

[kimmerspixelated]

111. Me, too.

I hope no one invades "my Happy Place".

[disndat]

86. We should know soon

Isn't sometime September the deadline for candidates to file?

[Irishonly]

90. It's too bad there aren't more state polls

I would love to see what his numbers are nationally.

[drm604]

92. Run Al Run!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2576939

[go west young man]

93. Ditto!

[sandyj999]

94. They Didn't Ask Me but.....................

He would get my vote. Why am I still not comfortable with Hillary?

[Kurovski]

95. Americans are smart. (nt)

[NastyDiaper]

99. My first choice is still reserved for Gore.

This does *not* mean that I'm unhappy with the announced candidates.

Well, maybe the frontrunner. o_O

[Kurovski]

Kick. (nt)

[Kurovski]

102. Kick. (nt)

[Dawgs]

104. GORE/OBAMA 08!!!!!! - A WINNING TICKET FOR 16 YEARS.

[happygoluckytoyou]

105. HE HAS LITTLE TIME TO GET OFF HIS ASS IF HE IS GOING TO STEP IN AND RUN

[kimmerspixelated]

112. "On his ass?"

I find it hard to believe he is not constantly busy already.

[RestoreGore]

133. He is busier right now than he has ever been...

because we have little time to get off our asses to address a crisis we are contributing to every day. But of course, that isn't important here.

http://www.allianceforclimateprotection.org

[Uncle Joe]

107. To the great state of Michigan, you rock!

:yourock:

[SarahB]

108. I wish he would run.

Just like I did back in 2004. :(

[derby378]

109. RUN, DAMMIT, RUN!

You can do this, Al!

:patriot:

[Strawman]

113. He's got about 2-4 weeks to shit or get off the pot

So he can have 4 months to put an organization in place unless he has been doing so already.

[MasonJar]

117. I will probably back Hillary if Al does not run, but I am not sending

a dime to any candidate until I know whether or not Al will run. He is my first choice and I am waiting, hoping that he will change his mind. If not, let's have an absolute change with Clinton/Obama.

[politicasista]

121. Gore/Anyone n/t

[Faygo Kid]

124. Lifelong Michigander now in Maryland sez Oh Yeah (and go Tigers)

The Great Lakes State has its share of problems, but it's still the best (after all, it has the Great Lakes). I don't think he is going to run unless something extraordinary happens in the next month, but he would get my immediate and wholehearted support.

Anyway, going back to visit twice in the next month(including a week on Lake Leelanau near Traverse City), so I'm a happy dude about my home state.

[Kazak]

127. Looking for my chance to finally cast a vote for Al Gore!!!

'Was turned away from the poll in 2000, purged from the voter roll, fully intending to vote for Al that day. :mad:

[BlooInBloo]

137. I wonder if any of the top-tiers would immediately drop out if Gore came in...

... and start aiming for a VP slot?