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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:14 PM Original message |
A quick message for those that think the working poor should just "Get better jobs". |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Kick! n/t |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
2. Not to say this isn't so but I have observed something else too. |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Accounting is one of the best fields to be in right now |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. When I graduated I had to do the "books" no computer. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
64. An MBA is no substitute for real life on-the-job experience. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
133. It sure as shit is if the job requires it |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Your last statements don't compute |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Experience from the 70s doesn't mean anything |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #144 |
162. I'm not a boomer... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #162 |
179. Yeah, I'm pure Gen X and the world can't be changed |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. ouch. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #179 |
188. yep, your pure gen X--look out for #1 and to hell with everybody else |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #179 |
197. Well, that's one (bleak) view of the 60s |
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speakclearly (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
102. The Dept of labor |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #102 |
110. "poor people" |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
130. This is what we have been advising younger people to do |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
137. The "poor people" |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
103. I did all sorts of shitty jobs before I got my current job |
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Progressive_In_NC (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
138. IBM is outsourcing everything but controllers and VPs to India now |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
95. Could it be there is a bit of "ageism" going on? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
134. I ran into that same sort of thing |
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demobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #134 |
183. It is age discrimination and it happens a lot in the computer biz |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
198. And high-caffeine cola |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
159. Ageism is absolutely rampant in America today. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #159 |
199. Or do what I did |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R. Love Barbara, love Bill. nt |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
5. I work in food service, and just about every coworker I've known |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Fiscal conservatives might try entering the world of reality? |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. That's a big assumption-- |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Yeah, I know. People who go into engineering, science, etc. get ahead. Whoopty shit. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. not sure about engineering |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I worked as a janitor for a while, too. |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Been there, done that |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. You never had to think, organize your thoughts, and communicate with others in ANY of your jobs? |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You don't have to have a degree in English |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Actually, my post was about writing and thinking, not English degress. And becoming literate. |
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Sadie4629 (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. OK. I misunderstood. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. Most positions don't really require a degree in anything. |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:45 AM Response to Reply #68 |
91. It's an HR disqualification criteria |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
141. Check this out for HR disqualification efforts |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:59 PM Response to Reply #91 |
170. Is your hint for people getting their first job out of college? |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #51 |
86. That explains why |
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ladywnch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
121. you forgot , "we have to solution this opportunity".....(translation - |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
171. Exactly. And also shows the insecurity of the people in these positions. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
76. Spell check eliminated the need for proofreaders? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Thank you! So many people think spellcheck catches everything. |
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GMFORD (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
128. Whenever there were rumors of layoffs |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #76 |
108. Is 'proofreader' even a job? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #108 |
165. Proofreader is a job at typesetters, printers .... |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #108 |
190. I have seen ads for proof readers before |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
139. Ever see "The Corporation"? |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
47. Hey, I think I saw you in Ratatouille. You're the man who killed a person with his thumb, right? |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Guilty as charged! |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #61 |
104. I loved "Ratatouille". And here's an avatar for you: |
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OldTymeDem (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
109. ?? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. A History degree is "baloney"? |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #111 |
185. Shit, you mean I just wasted 4 years of my life on "baloney"? |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #185 |
193. History major wasn't useless to me |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. "Why get an education in an area that wont improve your standard of living?" |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. I know people who have degrees in computer science |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #109 |
143. Ah, that old republican call |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
155. Oh goodBYE. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #109 |
184. Take your hatred of the humanities and shove it! |
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Contrary1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #109 |
187. That's fine if you can accurately predict that a job is available in 4-6 years |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
202. So You're Going to Support a System That Treats College as a Vocational School? |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
113. But, but, but |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. You misheard. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Nominated. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Thanks to you too. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Years ago, |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Nice one... |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. I think if you |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
11. Don't even get me started. Buying an education is the most ridiculous |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I like your passion! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Hmm... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. BRAVO! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Any time :D |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. I went to college on grants, loans, and scholarships too... |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
92. And don't forget affirmative action - oops I meant legacy enrollment |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. like you said, it's not even information, it's certification |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Fantastic post. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. Excellent post! It really saddens me to think of all that has been stolen from us. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. it seems these days what has most been stolen |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
126. Years ago, when I was a waitress |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Higher education should be free |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #62 |
85. I think the idea of |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Amen to that, Katherine! |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. My BIL went to trade school instead of high school, he's a plumber - he makes $40/hr. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #89 |
177. There is something to be said for old fashioned apprenticeship |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
127. Most of those jobs |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #85 |
168. Well I believe in education for education's sake |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. Education isn't just about acquiring knowledge, |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #168 |
203. That was my mindset as I set off for college. |
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Kat45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #85 |
173. True, most jobs don't require higher education, but the employers do. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. I remember those "old days" |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #173 |
204. This is exactly the problem - we've created an atmosphere where |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
182. Great Post Again! |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
123. Progressives should be working harder on this issue |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #123 |
169. I think getting universal health care may be more important at the moment |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #169 |
176. And corporate welfare |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. Well, guess what. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. Damn... |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
93. Like you, I'm over 50, and have several degrees. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
132. That sucks! |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #132 |
164. Yeah and some white males have the same problem I do. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #164 |
172. Well this discussion indicates that it is a widespread problem |
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MountainLaurel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
69. An added point |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Great point -- |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
71. Your post has made my day. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
83. It's absolutely criminal. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
125. yep, employee mills |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #125 |
135. A new and unique form of Slave Labor |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
78. It was much better 40 years ago |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Exactly - but people grow more and more apathetic. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
101. What a fantastic post. |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
122. You and me both buddy. n/t |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
180. Here! Here! |
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AnotherGreenWorld (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. Yeah. With time and money anyone can get an MD, JD, PhD, or certainly an MBA |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
87. Exactly - it's ALL about money. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
31. See MY post on the SENSIBLE American way of NON-subsidized health care and education. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
55. Great post... |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
131. So you'd actually say that to a kid? to your own child? |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #131 |
205. I didn't say that. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. Not everyone can get educated |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I don't even think it's so much that anyone is dumb... |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
40. What I don't like: |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Very true |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That's sad, considering how many Americans |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. No, education doesn't guarantee a good job, BUT |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. A living wage shouldn't be dependent on a certain "type" of job. n/t |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
73. You're right. Everyone deserves to be paid a living wage and treated w/respect. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
148. A degree is NOT necessarily "education" |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ivory tower syndrome |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They'd say you picked the wrong field, of course. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Then either people should be paid a living wage |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. I. HATE the "wrong field" assholes!!!! |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. I might break even with my education at best |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Disagree completely. We CAN and SHOULD expect that... |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Completely? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I wonder how it measures up... |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. I opted to work for a small business |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
67. Hate to burst people's bubbles, but health care is bigger than any employer could tackle. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #67 |
98. Class before country, and even self-concern. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
153. There IS a solution |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #27 |
152. You're right |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
149. This is a very sad statement |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
25. Jobs |
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buddhamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
37. it is a shame you felt the need to post this... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Maybe it's the recent influx of "newcomers"... |
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buddhamama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. the 'it won't happen to me' crowd |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
39. and it is only getting worse |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
45. K&R |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Thanks! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Thank you for your work, redqueen. |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
49. As if the poor can AFFORD education....(nm) |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. That's their own fault, too! |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
145. And history keeps repeating itself |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
59. SHAMELESS kick. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
60. Recent case in point: |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
115. Yep... he's lucky. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
146. I was thinking the same thing? |
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Timbuk3 (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
66. Ph.D.s are being outsourced, too |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
72. I didn't realize that was a point of contention here on DU. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. It's nice to see all this agreement for a change |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #72 |
99. I saw a few too many "they should get a better job" comments. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-09-07 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
74. Not only doesn't education do it all, but... if EVERYONE had "a good job" |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 09:26 AM Response to Reply #74 |
96. Contempt for the poor |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
200. You're so right about denial to protect from fear! I saw that when my son was kidnapped, |
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Giant Robot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #74 |
100. I don't think a "good job" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Agreed... there shouldn't be a stigma for necessary but unglamorous jobs. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
154. Some of the finest people I've known |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:47 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. LOVED the Razor's Edge. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Me too! |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
166. The stigma is in what it cannot provide for your family |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
79. Indeed. Education doesn't create opportunity. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
80. Thank you so much for this OP |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
94. While I agree with the general mindset of this thread, |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
156. The major problem is that |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #80 |
106. My pleasure! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
107. I've Got To Credit You For One Thing |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #107 |
186. I ALWAYS get asked "what are you going to do with a history degree?" |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #186 |
195. History major here too |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-12-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #186 |
201. Underhyped for Training Purposes, IMO |
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OhioChick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
97. K&R |
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kskiska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
112. A college degree today = a 1950s high school diploma |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
116. My message to the working poor of America |
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Tyler Durden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Shhh. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #124 |
147. I love that song! |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #124 |
167. I'm sorry... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
117. Education + intelligence guarantees plenty in a stupid, stupid America. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. What? |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
129. You need to bury the competition's education |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
140. Bullshit. Undergrad degrees are largely the same (ie bad). One good grad degree suffices. |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Not right now, not for boomers but for Gen X's children |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #142 |
158. I'm glad I'll probably be dead by then |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Yeah, me too |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. I may not sound like it all the time here |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 07:10 PM Response to Reply #163 |
178. Humans are more likely to kill each other off than be finished off by global warming. |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
150. In California, one answer to the income disparity for home health care workers has |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-10-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
151. is "Better" a euphemism for taking on a 3rd, possibly 4th job? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #151 |
191. Mayor Jim Naugle thinks so |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
189. My uncle was a janitor -- he retired to St. Petes in a 500K condo |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. Ah, but he could trust investors and came from a generation that cared. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. I'm not sure what you mean. |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-11-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
192. I would encourage individuals to get more education when practical |
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