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mudesi
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:35 PM Original message |
A message to conservative Democrats |
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Mojambo
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think I've got a recommendation in here for you somewhere... |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm a pretty conservative Dem, and I agree with all your points. |
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Except some of those in Congress. |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. True--but the Blue Dogs aren't representative of my beliefs when |
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. The internet is exploding with complaints about the blue dog democrats |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I agree--they are too cozy with BushCo by too many degrees. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
134. These are the so called Dems that should be hit ... |
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Wed Aug-08-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. That IS the distinction between being "corporatist" and being "conservative"! |
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
111. conservatives dems are |
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #111 |
136. Great Video |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. this is gonna be goooood... |
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corkhead
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. make it 5 |
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porphyrian
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. They'll just call you naive or foolish and go back to ignoring you. - n/t |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. There Aren't Many Conservative Democrats Left |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Wha?? The New Democrat caucus still has 63 members |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Here's A Link To The Americans For Democratic Action Website |
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
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redqueen
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. Hah... |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I Don't Get It... |
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redqueen
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. No, because the political landscape in this country has shifted SO far. |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. No, that would not be fair |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Then How Did The Democratic House And Senate Get 90% ADA Ratings? |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Look at the methodology |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No Rating System Is Perfect... |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Yes, but this rating system is almost worthless |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Bush Sucks... FISA Sucks... The War Sucks.... |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Why? Conservative has always been a subjective label |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Barbara Milkulsi Voted For The New FISA Law |
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Virginia Dare
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. There are only two Democrats left according to many posters here.. |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Now just wait one damn minute! |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Al Gore Voted For Gulf War One, Was Anti-Choice , And Anti-Gay |
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Virginia Dare
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yes, in DU world some are given a pass to evolve.. |
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MADem
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
164. How about a progun, prolife type? Is THAT conservative? |
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jgraz
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excellent, gutsy post |
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AuntPatsy
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Wed Aug-08-07 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. Great post, one I must highly recommend. |
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. I think I missed something |
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hfojvt
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
25. you cannot rule the Democratic Party by fiat |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I Think We Can All Agree Zell Was A Conservative Dem... |
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hfojvt
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. It's not even 'to the right of DU' |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Wed Aug-08-07 06:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I Just Think It's Vanity To Play The "I'm More Progressive With You Card" |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
58. How is that vanity? |
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Limelight
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
70. Here, here... |
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mudesi
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
137. Then vote for the Republican |
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question everything
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
143. Applauds, applauds |
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cynatnite
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Fri Aug-10-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #25 |
187. Well said! n/t |
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nashville_brook
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Wed Aug-08-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. oh, snap! |
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maui9002
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Wed Aug-08-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
37. Whom do you consider a conservative Democrat? |
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RandomKoolzip
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. You don't think the minimum wage helps low-paid workers? |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. A living wage? |
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RandomKoolzip
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. . |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. BS. |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Hours WERE cut |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Did I dispute that it happened? No. |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Never said necessary, nor only forseeable... |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
98. So... you chose to ignore the examples from history in my post. |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
117. I'm not an anarchist |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. So then leave an 'out' for small businesses. |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. Why not $10,000 an hour! |
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Limelight
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #68 |
99. Point, set and match... |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. Are there any other small-business owners around? |
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Limelight
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Nope, just seems that way... |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Or maybe not all small business owners agree with you. |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. "Real communism" |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. "If it's true that real communism has never been tried" |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #123 |
132. Heh |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Enjoy your stay. |
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Limelight
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
125. "All" people will never agree... |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. So your solution is armed revolt? |
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Limelight
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #128 |
150. It was a question of corruption |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #150 |
153. We've been standing up against them for decades. |
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AnotherGreenWorld
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #53 |
108. The idea that if corporations pass out a few more crums |
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divinecommands
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. Maybe you're right... |
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cui bono
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:48 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. To me that sounds like you are against the working class/working people. |
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maui9002
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
165. I think your question illustrates my original point |
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cui bono
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #165 |
179. Well the party is open to anyone who wants to join. |
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maui9002
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. It may be a common belief |
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Thu Aug-09-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. "For example, I support international trade and NAFTA" |
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #52 |
116. LOL n/t |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Neither |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Hi GMFORD... welcome to DU! |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #37 |
66. I view you as a Libertarian, somewhat like Aaron Russo. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Welcome to the D.U. |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
75. "You'll find that this site is dominated by the fringe left" |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Like all those "wild-eyed" anti-war "liberals" n/t |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Boy those talking points sure sound stale! |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #84 |
91. You think that's stale?? |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I already got Marxist today! |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Welcome to the club, Comrade! |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Dirty Commie UN-REFORMED Marxist Pinko reporting for duty! |
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
171. The answer to your question |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
73. You are DLC! |
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mudesi
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #37 |
77. That's not really my point |
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maui9002
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
173. Goal should be how best to achieve common set of core values |
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Wed Aug-08-07 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
38. Hear, hear! |
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H2O Man
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Wed Aug-08-07 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
39. Nominated. |
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Wed Aug-08-07 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
41. K & R!!! |
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Wed Aug-08-07 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
42. k&r...n/t |
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cui bono
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:49 AM Response to Original message |
45. The party has shifted too much to the right. Time to make Liberal a good word again |
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
46. Neither Democrats nor Republicans would ever get within a sniff of winning without moderates... |
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mudesi
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Thu Aug-09-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Really? |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Moderate is a nice term for .. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #56 |
115. I really don't see how anyone can be "moderate" |
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Johnny Noshoes
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
156. Old saying |
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Thu Aug-09-07 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Abolutely 100% Correct! N/T |
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
114. Anthrax and EMPing small planes |
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
50. k&r. . . . . n/t |
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Thu Aug-09-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
51. K&R |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
57. for me it's simple. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
59. what are the core beliefs of a conservative Democrat? |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I'll Give It A Shot |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. There are Democrats that believe all those things? |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Yeah |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. Whoo! Well at least I get to keep my gun. |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #87 |
95. Does that make one conservative? Guns? nt. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Does it prohibit one from being liberal? |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. I am a gun owner and a gun enthusiast.... |
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Maddy McCall
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I'm a gun owner and self-preservationist. |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #107 |
109. I don't necessarily like this attempt to classify and divide everyone. nt. |
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question everything
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
145. And this is your answer |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Staying in office |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. that doesn't help. nt. |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Sorry, but it's true |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. How about the voters...surely there are actual conservative Democrats. nt. |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Again, you have the problem of what that actually means |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #74 |
83. You Are Referring To Socialization |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. No, I'm referring to a complete lack of core principles |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I Am Not Denying There Are Opportunists... |
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jgraz
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Of course culture informs our beliefs |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. I Tend To Agree... |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #59 |
82. There are two different styles of Democratic conservatism: |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. You Did A Nice Job Of Delineating The Difference Between The Two Groups... |
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IndianaJones
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #82 |
90. interesting take. thanks. nt. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
135. I'd quibble with the characterization of the DLC as "anti gun-control." |
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #135 |
142. I think it must have been a typo. |
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ConservativeDemocrat
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. Not true |
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PassingFair
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Except when they all voted to authorize the IWR, |
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ConservativeDemocrat
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #149 |
157. Exactly. IWR was a bill for coercive diplomacy |
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PassingFair
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #157 |
160. "Many conservative Democrats still feel that was the correct vote to make" |
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #160 |
169. You're entitled to your opinion |
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PassingFair
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. "all the toothless United Nations resolutions in the world have not stopped the genocide in Darfur" |
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ConservativeDemocrat
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
146. You're probably right about that... |
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #82 |
166. I don't think that it is always so simplistic |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
63. Please define your terms and explain who you are referring to |
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Thu Aug-09-07 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
69. Deleted message |
Maddy McCall
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Die in a fire? |
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Robson
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
172. DIAF - Doesn't sound too tolerant to me |
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
72. It Is My Contention |
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Gregorian
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
101. I would agree with one major concern. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. I Don't Think It Will Be A Breeze |
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Gregorian
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #110 |
127. Yes. |
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:31 PM Response to Reply #127 |
161. Preemptive Intelligence |
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proud2BlibKansan
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
103. K&R!! |
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orleans
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
118. democrats have a social conscience. republiks have no conscience. nt/ |
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aikoaiko
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Thu Aug-09-07 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
122. A good example of "if you don't like it, then leave" rhetoric. |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Where would we be? Maybe not so far to the right. |
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aikoaiko
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. And not have either the Senate or House of Reps. |
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redqueen
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #129 |
130. I'd bet that's more due to DRE's & other vote fraud actually. |
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PassingFair
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #122 |
178. Not in Iraq, THAT'S for sure. n/t |
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PurgedVoter
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Thu Aug-09-07 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
126. K&R |
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Totally Committed
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
138. F*ckin'-A, my man! |
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ProudDad
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
139. There is already a 100% big business party |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Maybe You Are Correct On Economic Issues But Not Social Ones.. |
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ProudDad
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. I'm talking about the corporate fascist state we have become |
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Robson
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Fri Aug-10-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #141 |
184. Fascism vs. social issues |
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ProudDad
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Fri Aug-10-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. Unfortunately |
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Johnny Noshoes
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #139 |
158. AMEN ! |
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SteveM
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Thu Aug-09-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
144. Whew! Glad I didn't get picked up on Lynyrd's radar; but then I support 2A. |
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Sherman A1
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Thu Aug-09-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
148. Gee Thanks |
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mudesi
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Recognize the fact |
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Sherman A1
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #151 |
174. Historically views shift along the way |
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DFW
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
152. This is adopting the radical right's definition of "conservative" and I won't play |
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KneelBeforeZod
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
154. You are CLEARLY wrong on who controls the Democratic Party ... |
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OzarkDem
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #154 |
167. Welcome to DU |
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Yukari Yakumo
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #154 |
182. Old saying... |
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Xithras
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Thu Aug-09-07 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
155. You would hand districts to the Republicans? Give them back the House? |
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OnionPatch
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #155 |
159. See post 101. |
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Norrin Radd
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
162. k+r |
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MADem
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Thu Aug-09-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
163. What a sanctimonious load of.... |
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Sherman A1
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #163 |
175. Well Said! |
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19jet54
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
168. "conservative viewpoints "? |
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spoony
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Fri Aug-10-07 06:12 AM Response to Reply #168 |
183. Well put! |
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Scooter24
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Thu Aug-09-07 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
170. Things aren't always so black and white. |
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philosophie_en_rose
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Thu Aug-09-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
176. What an inspirational post! |
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Sherman A1
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Fri Aug-10-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #176 |
188. Well Said! |
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Yukari Yakumo
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Thu Aug-09-07 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
181. One problem with your analogy. |
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Robson
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Fri Aug-10-07 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
185. Conservatism - Cultural, Fiscal, Religious |
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