Guys: Don't Fall For The Lie - Girls DO NOT Want Smart Guys!

[BlooInBloo]

Never forget - being cool or hot is ALL there is to girls at that age. Ignore anything anyone else tells you.

EDIT: And even more so for girls.



http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/04/intercourse-and-intelligence.php

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Tyler Cowen quotes from a new study testing the relationship between grades and delayed sexual activity.

Last December I passed a paper along to Razib showing that high-school age adolescents with higher IQs and extremely low IQs were less likely to have had first intercourse than those with average to below average intelligence. (i.e. for males with IQs under 70, 63.3% were still virgins, for those with IQs between 70-90 only 50.2% were virgin, 58.6% were virgins with IQs between 90-110, and 70.3% with IQs over 110 were virgins)

In fact, a more detailed study from 2000 is devoted strictly to this topic, and finds the same thing: Smart Teens Don't Have Sex (or Kiss Much Either).


The team looked at 1000s of representative teens grades 7-12 in the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and The Biosocial Factors in Adolescent Development datasets, both of which include an IQ test, and include detailed sexual experience questions ranging from hand-holding to intercourse. As with the other study there was a curvilinear relationship: students with IQs above 100 and below 70 were significantly less likely to have had intercourse than those in between. Also like the other study, they found teens with IQs ranging from 75 to 90 had the lowest probability of virginity (the authors note this is also the same IQ range where propensity towards crime peaks)."

[Mythsaje]

1. Damn... It looks like I beat the odds.

I had less than a thirty percent chance of not being a virgin by the time I got to high school.

Hey, that really makes me wonder about some of the people I knew.

[Deja Q]

65. Never say 'beat the' in a topic regarding sex...

:hide:

[JVS]

101. They were also polling 7th and 8th graders, which might have made...

virginity seem more common.

[Mythsaje]

104. I would hope so...n/t

[lvx35]

2. NOBODY likes smart people.

Its threatening. People want others they feel like they can control. If you are smart, for God's sake, ACT STUPID!!!

[Selatius]

4. Actually, there's more than that reason alone to "act stupid"

People don't see somebody who is dimwitted or apparently ignorant as much of a threat in terms of power dynamics. If you play the fool, they don't have as many defenses up. You'd be surprised what people reveal in front of you when they really think you're stupid. Much of what they reveal is quite telling about their true personality when the masks are off, and much of it is not pretty.

[lvx35]

7. I can really back that up.

One of the great surprises of my life was acting as a caregiver for the mentally disabled, taking them out in public and watching how others responded to them. In many cases, I would consider it an advantage to come across as mentally disabled, precisely for the reasons you said.

[pink-o]

78. So you're saying...

If one is so bloody smart, they should check out a copy of Machiavelli's "The Prince" from their libraries (where only "smart" people go, after all), read it thoroughly, then live by it. So that way, their dishonest behaviour can get them laid, or whatever else they want.

Can I just say that if you come across as something you're not, you're only gonna end up attracting boring people, and all the relationships you commit to will ultimately fall apart. I don't care if that's hard and may cause one to be a virgin past the age of 16, if we don't drive that lesson into our adolescents--that being honest and learning to love yourself for yourself--trumps popularity, then we're not doing them any favours.

I come from the dark ages, when in the 60s older women would tell us girls to play dumb, to act weak and to never be smarter, stronger, or funnier than our boyfriends. Don't express your opinions too stridently, sit still and smile. Now, I hope to all of you that sounds like the retro-sexist garbage it is. But it distresses me NO END to hear echoes of it from my fellow progressives on my favourite website!

[Selatius]

85. I'm not condoning it, merely imparting my observations of this world.

There's a difference between observing and advocating something. Usually, people who adopt the "play dumb" approach do it because they want something, usually power or influence or something else that's the target of their ambition. Not everybody is ambitious like that, but there are some. Not everybody operates by a moral code. Some only operate by ambition alone. If people cannot or will not accept that and learn to see things the way they see them, they will forever live under the reign of somebody who doesn't care for their misery. That seems to be the problem for Americans and their corrupt government.

[lvx35]

114. I hear you, and assure you its by no means an ideal I'm advocating.

For so many reasons. Here, take this domestic spying business that's going on. I'll tell you one thing. You do NOT want to be smart enough to know, for instance, how to make an atom bomb. Nor viruses or whatever. And even the most altruistic work in fields close to this sort of thing can complicate your life vastly beyond that dumb MBA who makes 30 times more than you experiences.

There is no financial benifit to intelligence, according to recent studies. There is no general mating benifit, beyond this study. Yet everyone treats you as "gifted", like you are at some kind of advantage if you are a person of high IQ.

[mwb970]

11. Ah, the "Columbo" approach! /nt

[DarkTirade]

127. Funny thing is everybody thinks I'm this big idiot...

and its all a big fakade.

[msu2ba]

133. Excellent movie!

James Garner and Jack Lemmon are two of my favorites!

[raccoon]

142. Yes, in the workplace sometimes it can be protective. nt

[Kiouni]

6. This is exactly why I have left my right turn signal on

for three years straight! Keeps everyone off my back that and my gun rack in the back of my geo! Come get some.






Just in case: :sarcasm:

[sammythecat]

38. I like the idea of a gun rack in a Geo

:rofl:

[DarkTirade]

128. I knew someone in high school who drove a geo...

and I can totally see him doing that. :)

[Bucky]

3. Excuse me, but I'd've had sex a LOT sooner if there'd been any chicks at the Star Trek conventions

I mean, if there'd been any chicks there who were willing to have sex with me, that is. They were held at hotels, after all.

[NewJeffCT]

15. LOL

"Get a life!" said William Shatner

I think the only way a lot of guys got laid at Star Trek conventions was if they called an escort service.

[XemaSab]

57. On the flip side I've heard conventions are a great place to hook up...

If you're a woman. :D

[eridani]

99. Very, very true

I was a dyed in the wool member of mattress fandom when I lived on the East Coast--all those cons so close to each other by western distance standards, and happening frequently.

[EFerrari]

67. Hey, I was there!

lol

[aquart]

5. It was my brains? Oh, thank god!

Although, at the time, I actually attributed it to my ability to run and talk very fast.

[Decruiter]

8. Bloo, I just do not know how to respond to this level of ignorance.

The only reason my husband and I are together is because of our love of books, music and intelligence.

He loved my smarts and I loved his. Where in this small world are you getting your information?

I hope you find the person of your dreams. A know nothing nobody. Heaven can't be far away.

[cgrindley]

12. I think that your experience is far from common

perhaps it's common enough here at DU, but in the wider world, I think that people pair up based almost entirely on looks. I'm shallow enough to admit that every single one of my life's relationships including my first wife have been either initiated or abandoned due to physical concerns. But as I've grown older, I've finally adopted a bit of your approach in that my second wife and I share a large number of interests (not only intellectual, political, and artistic, but we also have similar educations, income levels, physical health and so on), but she's still as hot as a house on fire.

[Deja Q]

64. I must agree. 27,386 adverts CAN'T be wrong.

Society is based on looks.

It's also based on trash, given who is given celebrity status...

[Deja Q]

66. Actually, more like 68,040 reasons... or 80,387?

:spray:

[Clark2008]

73. It is possible to be both smart and sexy.

My husband and I both are.

;)

P.S. You can look at those two kids below and tell. The boy looks like me. The girl looks like her father. :7

[JuniperLea]

117. That's how people feel superior...

Hanging with those less intellectually fortunate;)

[zalinda]

9. Wow, they really tried to cover every excuse

possible. My take on it, when you are intelligent, you find more interesting things to do. You would probably find these same people are convenience eaters, not up on the latest fashion trends and who is Nicole Richie? or any other quasi celebrity at the time. They are smart enough to know that sex is usually part of a relationship and relationships take time, that's why some of them go to prostitutes. When you have set a goal for yourself, relationships can become an obstacle to that goal. I would think that those who are in training for the Olympics probably find themselves in the same situation, although they probably eat better.

I know that when I'm in the middle of a project, food, sex and sleep are the last things on my mind.

zalinda

[cgrindley]

10. I think that study lumps evil geniuses in with normal geniuses

because in my experience, the evil genius always has a really hot girlfriend/boyfriend.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

13. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc

Looks to me like the article may suffer from the logical fallacy that "correlation implies causation." Not enough information in the article, but what was controlled for in the studies? The one study controlled only for "age, physical maturity, and mother's education."

What about the physical beauty (or not) of the kids?
What about socioeconomic status?
What about drug and alcohol use?
What about family background?
What about peer groups?
What about race?
What about geography?

[alarimer]

14. I think I have scared off more than a few guys

when I tell them I am working on a Master's degree. And these are not stupid kids but people in their 30s and 40s. Of course it works both ways, too, in that I would rather be with someone educated beyond high school.

[NewJeffCT]

17. Yes, it works both ways

I think there are certain segments of the populace that are scared off by members of the opposite sex that are smarter than them, both men and women. But, I do think that men are often more scared of a woman smarter/more educated than them than vice versa, though.

Me, I get excited when I find out an attractive woman is also very intelligent, like a few years back when I was chatting with this cute woman who was very plainly dressed and soft-spoken... I asked her what she did and she said, "I'm a cardiologist at xxx Hospital." She suddenly became even more attractive in my eyes (though, we were both married, so it was just a friendly conversation.)

[BlooInBloo]

55. Yup - forgot to say so on the first pass - had to edit appropriately.

[zanne]

18. I have a college degree

My husband didn't graduate from 8th grade. If we were both to take IQ tests, he would score higher. There are different types of intelligence. (He's always the one who remembers where the keys are).

[alarimer]

124. Well you met one of the exceptions then

I just have way more in common with college-educated people than those who are not. Maybe my sample is skewed by the vast number of Republican idiots I have met.

[iverglas]

16. for pity's sake

... teens with IQs ranging from 75 to 90 had the lowest probability of virginity (the authors note this is also the same IQ range where propensity towards crime peaks).

Pretty obviously, this intelligence range coincides with lower ability to assess risks and consequences of actions and lower impulse control, the kinds of things that would make it more likely that a person would engage in early sexual activity and also criminal activity.

Above average IQ would coincide with a greater ability to assess risks and consequences of actions and higher impulse control, and also with higher life expectations and thus a greater incentive to avoid risky behaviour.

The "extremely low" IQ range would obviously correlate with delayed development in many areas, including social and interpersonal skills, which one really has to have a bare minimum of in order to be in situations that could lead to (non-exploitive) sexual activity.

There is no reason whatsoever to think that any of this has the first thing to do with attractiveness. There is thus also no reason whatsoever for anyone to get all defensive about the unfounded claim that smart equals unattractive.

It's hardly surprising to see someone here thinking that his own shallow objectification of women is somehow relevant to these findings, but I have to admit I'm floored by the assertion that smart people delay sexual relationships and therefore "go to prostitutes". You get up in the morning, you think you've seen everything, and by 8 a.m. you're proved wrong ...

[havocmom]

20. We have a WINNUHA!!!!

The not-too-bright get exploited more often. And the bright often get misinterpreted.

[wellst0nev0ter]

28. Smart People Can't Get Laid!

Why it took 16 replies to get to the obvious conclusion that perhaps smart highschoolers aren't as pressured to have sex at an early age is simply perplexing. Kudos to your insight, though :thumbsup:

[helderheid]

44. Well said!

[Missy Vixen]

49. iverglas, thank you

I watched this play out in my family with my sister and I. Let's see if I can do this without TMI.

>Above average IQ would coincide with a greater ability to assess risks and consequences of actions and higher impulse control, and also with higher life expectations and thus a greater incentive to avoid risky behaviour.<

My parents were unhappy that I was not the -- shall we say, social butterfly -- my younger sister was. I had much higher impulse control and judged risks much more carefully. As a result, my life is better now than it would have been if I had indulged.

IMHO, YMMV,
Julie

[iverglas]

59. thank y'all -- and for those interested in the actual issues raised

Huge amounts of work have been done in recent years on the whole question of adolescents and risky behaviour.

Just for starters:

http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/yrbs/
YRBSS: Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5505a1.htm
(big download; that's html because I hate pdf, but both versions are at the first link)

Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance --- United States, 2005

Abstract

Problem:
Priority health-risk behaviors, which contribute to the leading causes of morbidity and mortality among youth and adults, often are established during childhood and adolescence, extend into adulthood, are interrelated, and are preventable.

Reporting Period Covered:
October 2004--January 2006.

Description of the System:
The Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) monitors six categories of priority health-risk behaviors among youth and young adults, including behaviors that contribute to unintentional injuries and violence; tobacco use; alcohol and other drug use; sexual behaviors that contribute to unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infections; unhealthy dietary behaviors; and physical inactivity. In addition, the YRBSS monitors general health status and the prevalence of overweight and asthma. YRBSS includes a national school-based survey conducted by CDC and state and local school-based surveys conducted by state and local education and health agencies. This report summarizes results from the national survey, 40 state surveys, and 21 local surveys conducted among students in grades 9--12 during October 2004--January 2006.

Results:
In the United States, 71% of all deaths among persons aged 10--24 years result from four causes: motor-vehicle crashes, other unintentional injuries, homicide, and suicide. Results from the 2005 national Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS) indicated that, during the 30 days preceding the survey, many high school students engaged in behaviors that increased their likelihood of death from these four causes: 9.9% had driven a car or other vehicle when they had been drinking alcohol; 18.5% had carried a weapon; 43.3% had drunk alcohol; and 20.2% had used marijuana. In addition, during the 12 months preceding the survey, 35.9% of high school students had been in a physical fight and 8.4% had attempted suicide.

Substantial morbidity and social problems among youth also result from unintended pregnancies and STDs, including HIV infection. During 2005, a total of 46.8% of high school students had ever had sexual intercourse; 37.2% of sexually active high school students had not used a condom at last sexual intercourse; and 2.1% had ever injected an illegal drug.

Among adults aged >25 years, 61% of all deaths result from two causes: cardiovascular disease and cancer. Results from the 2005 national YRBS indicated that risk behaviors associated with these two causes of death were initiated during adolescence. During 2005, a total of 23.0% of high school students had smoked cigarettes during the 30 days preceding the survey; 79.9% had not eaten >5 times/day of fruits and vegetables during the 7 days preceding the survey; 67.0% did not attend physical education classes daily; and 13.1% were overweight.

Interpretation:
Since 1991, the prevalence of many health-risk behaviors among high school students nationwide has decreased. However, many high school students continue to engage in behaviors that place them at risk for the leading causes of mortality and morbidity. The prevalence of many health-risk behaviors varies across cities and states.

Public Health Action:
RBS data are used to measure progress toward achieving 15 national health objectives for Healthy People 2010 and three of the 10 leading health indicators, to assess trends in priority health-risk behaviors among high school students, and to evaluate the impact of broad school and community interventions at the national, state, and local levels. More effective school health programs and other policy and programmatic interventions are needed to reduce risk and improve health outcomes among youth.

It would seem that information about correlations between intelligence (assuming that this can be measured meaningfully) and risky behaviour could be very useful in designing measures to reduce the occurrence of the harms to which different groups of young people are at different risks of experiencing.

[Greyhound]

68. Only in America...

Can a nation be any more tight-assed than ours? Even the English eventually figured out that Victorianism was an abomination.

[iverglas]

71. hm

Did you mean to respond to me?

Maybe. While some other societies do engage in less condemnation of sexual activity among young people, they certainly also put a lot more effort into enabling young people to assess and reduce the risks of sexual activity. True.

"Victorianism" is a rather different subject, and I'll note only that it, like every other school of human thought in practice, had its good and bad ideas and good and bad effects.

[Greyhound]

135. What would be an example of a good idea in Victorianism? I've never heard of one.

From the completely manufactured idea of adolescence, to the totally bizarre notion that sex before the arbitrarily defined and mis-named "adulthood" is something bad, we are about as screwed up as a society can get.

It's all marketing and false religiosity. One of the most powerful sales technique is to simply tell the mark that they can't have it, works every time.

Obviously there are myriad potential problems with the combination of appalling ignorance and pervasive marketing of sexuality, but the sex is not the problem in itself.

[Tsiyu]

69. Thank you

Delaying sexual intercourse is a "smart" thing to do, given the numbers of STD's out there and given the fact that, if the teen is hetero, there could always be a kid (the forgotten variable in hetero sex.)

Whether or not one got laid in high school has no bearing on success in relationships - unless you are still in high school.

And i just broke up with the most adorable blond because he was just not that bright. We hiked together, enjoyed sunsets and sunrises on both coasts together, and had a good time but I really need a guy who has a bit more intellectual and cultural depth.

I don't understand the OP's bitterness but his conclusions are wacko...

[Triana]

109. BINGO! What Iverglas said...

...and I thank you. :)

[The Vinyl Ripper]

19. High grades aren't necessarily an indicator of intelligence..

And the flip side of that is that low grades aren't necessarily an indicator of stupidity.

I made a 1388 on the SAT in my junior year in HS, first and only time I took it.

And this was in 1968 when the standards were higher than they are today.

I also barely squeaked by graduating, my GPA was abysmal.

I hated HS so much I never even went to graduation, they mailed me my diploma and I never even looked at it.

It's possible to get high grades with simple diligence while having a normal or even slightly subnormal IQ. I've met quite a few people like that over the years.

There are two physicians in my family, both have told me that a surprisingly large proportion of medical students make it primarily on rote memorization.

Needless to say, I was not particularly diligent, I made great grades on tests and did almost no homework at all. Our dog was a voracious paper eater. :)

For guys, having relationships is more about being an extrovert than anything else. Shyness is a huge handicap in relationships and life in general.

Of course, physical attractiveness counts for something, but not as much as is commonly thought, IMO.

[Mandate My Ass]

21. Great points-ALL

Welcome to DU, Vinyl Ripper. :hi:

I'm sick of the stereotype floating around here that women all want "bad boys" and then when they're mistreated, they've only gotten what they deserved.

I was the smartest student in my class and I rarely got asked out, and never by the smart boys. I ran into an old classmate a few months ago (we're both 40-somethings) and he said all the boys thought I was cute and smart, but the smart part made them feel inadequate. He said he wishes he hadn't let that intimidate him because now he thinks intelligence is super hot.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

29. Thanks for the welcome..

It all seems like simple observation to me..

A surprising number of very bright kids don't do all that well in school.

There are a couple of reasons for this. School is rigidly structured and mostly set up for the "average" student. Smart kids tend to ask questions that teachers have a hard time answering or find "awkward" for any number of reasons.

A lot of smart kids are also bored silly in school, I know I was. I usually read the books in the first week or so of the school year and then coasted for the rest of the year with only the occasional glance at the books. Taking notes would probably have been a good idea, but it was anathema to me at the time, I had a good memory and generally paid attention in class enough to get good grades on the tests.

I was also getting into the movies as under twelve until I was almost seventeen, that didn't help my love life any. :)

[Mandate My Ass]

31. You sound exactly like my son

Very bright and creative, scores excellently on tests. Never did a lick of homework and usually had to pull out of a grade nosedive mid-semester. The funny thing was, when he had the most challenging teachers he did his best work and was very engaged, otherwise, nada.

The parent-teacher conferences I attended were a hoot. All his teachers loved him. They said he was not a troublemaker, he was respectful of classroom decorum, when called on he had something germane to add to the conversation, he aced his tests, but he was BORED almost all the time and the reason his grades slid was that he coasted. :shrug:

Unfortunately for me and my siblings, we went to Catholic school boot camp. No coasting allowed or else you'd spend your days cleaning the church from top to bottom.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

45. Yeah, I went to Catholic school for about a year..

And people think nuns are nice and sweet.. :D

I've seen DI's that were nicer..

[Mythsaje]

84. Welcome to DU

You're telling my story, more or less.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

90. Thank you..

I'm not so sure it's all that uncommon a story really.

School is hell if you are different from everyone else.

[Mythsaje]

96. Yeah...I'm proud of my eldest...

It doesn't seem to affect him as much as it did me. He's got some of his mother's hardness, which might be a blessing.

[treestar]

134. I'm in agreement, memorization is the key to success on paper

In my family (not including me, lol) are people with photographic memories.

They think they are smart because they did well in school.

Yet they have no common sense and no ability to reason at all.

[porphyrian]

22. Those numbers are probably the same for "nice" guys. - n/t

[mondo joe]

23. And using high school age adolescents to assess this is smart?

?

[Lilith Velkor]

140. A plurality of Americans never grow past that age mentally

Naturally, most advertising targets that demographic.

[Myrina]

24. sorry, wrong

... maybe the smart kids were 'significantly less likely' to have had intercourse because they had better things to do? or because they didn't bow to peer pressure? or because they didn't want the possibility of ruining their career/life aspirations by an unplanned pregnancy or STD or psycho-girl/boy friend?

:shrug:


I'll get with a smart dorky average looking guy over the hot jock/GOP asswipe ANY DAY.

[iverglas]

27. the second winnuha

Must be a case of great minds. ;) I mean, I was 18 (in 1971, mind) ... and the co-vivant was, wait for it, 21. I suppose it must work that way ... the older you are/were, the smarter you are ...


'll get with a smart dorky average looking guy over the hot jock/GOP asswipe ANY DAY.

Smart, dorky, slightly weirder than average-looking, him, but of course being really tall gives him an evolutionary advantage when it comes to mate-seeking.

And his pet name for me is Dork.

[Myrina]

32. I wish I'd have had your sense ...

... when I was a teen. I was 16, he was (ahem) significantly older and muy hot. Stupid teenage crushes :spank: . I was thinking 'fairytale happily ever after', he was probably thinking 'Damn I'm horny'.

D'oh.

At least I wised up enough afterwards to get my brain back where it needed to be.


:hi:

[iverglas]

37. oh, it wasn't that much sense

I just always had a pretty strong sense of self -- even though it always felt like the complete opposite.

I didn't want to, I didn't want to -- and then I did. So I went and got the pill, and went to a Liberal Party convention. (I hadn't been a Liberal since I was 15, but we needed money for a strike on campus, and there wasn't a Liberal club, so we formed one, and we got a budget, and then the party started paying our way to conventions ...)

And there I hooked up with a junior member of a western Canadian political dynasty, just an undergrad like myself with no real interest in the party either. It was some years later when one of his more famous uncles or cousins or whatever it was got convicted for murdering his wife. I certainly never saw the young 'un again.

Not the worst first-time tale ... my first time, starring the nephew of Canada's most famous misogynist / murderer.

It was made into a quite good CBC TV movie, with Kate Nelligan. Love and Hate.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097788/

Narcissistic Saskatchewan Tory politician Colin Thatcher (Welsh) is engaged in a bitter divorce from his wife Jo-Ann (Nelligan). When a series of court rulings over the divorce go against him, Thatcher decides a more drastic solution is needed - murder! A series of attempts on Jo-Ann's life follow, most of which don't succeed. Finally one does, and the arrogant Thatcher believes he is above the law and immune to prosecution. But his arrogance proves to be his undoing, as Crown Counsel Serge Kujawa (John Colicos) builds a case against this psychopathic monster for 1st-degree murder - charging that Thatcher hired someone to kill his wife. The true story of one of the most disturbing stories of murder-for-hire in Canada.

He keeps trying to get parole, but I don't think it's worked yet.


And hey, weren't you horny too? ;)

[Chulanowa]

121. I think I need to meet more DU'er woman

Because every woman who's relationships I have been privy to, has consistently abandoned the smart nice average guy for the built, rich, womanbeating asshole. And then they go back to the smart nice average guy with their woes.

I'm not one of those guys who thinks these women deserve such treatment, but I have to shake my head just the same.

[iverglas]

126. heh heh; I'll bet what you need to meet ...

... is more older women. ;)

But I have to recommend waiting until you're older to do it!

There was talk some time back of having a DU matchmaker site/forum whatever. The liability issues and potential giant messes defeated it.

I met mine on line. If the brain is the centre of attraction, it's a good bar to hang out in!

[Scout]

54. didn't bow to peer pressure, and had better things to do, and thought

most boys, whether or not they were "official nerds" or not, were big dumb idiots.

I don't think I missed out on anything by waiting until I was 19.... and I didn't have any unintended pregnancies or STDs to worry about.

[theboss]

25. Thank God I am good looking

Phew.....

[mitchum]

26. As an adolescent (and beyond), I worked the poetic bad boy angle...

it guaranteed surefire success. And I assume that it still does so.

Thank you to:
Villon
Lord Byron
Chuck Baudelaire
Artie Rimbaud
Genet
Jimbo Lizardking
Jim Carroll
Uncle Lou Reed
and all of the others
:)

[The Vinyl Ripper]

30. Jimbo Lizardking..

I haven't heard him called that before, took me a moment to figure it out..

Tell all the people that you see..

[mitchum]

35. That's my longtime name for him...I have never been able to...

make up by mind as to whether he was brilliant or a buffoon. Or maybe both? :)

Hey, Welcome to DU

[Aristus]

39. He was both. And always the first to admit it.

B-)

[The Vinyl Ripper]

63. Thanks for the welcome

Like all really creative people, he was well outside the norm..

People are strange/

When you're a stranger/

[Withywindle]

87. Oh god, you probably could've had me in a heartbeat.

I worked it too.

Think Anais Nin, Patti Smith, Exene Cervenka, Collette, Djuna Barnes, Lydia Lunch, Nico, etc. It's a little harder for a female to work the "smart bad girl" angle but I sure tried. Trouble is, waayyy too many of those "poetic bad boys" really deep down inside wanted a Suzy Creamcheese type in a pink cardigan. Posers. :)

[mitchum]

119. I really am laughing out loud!

:)
You really do have our number!
I had a friend who was also a "smart bad girl" and that is exactly the accusation that she would level at me. Not without justification. And she would even use the phrase "Suzie Creamcheese"
I swear.

In my defense, I liked the smart bad girls and...Susies

[Hekate]

137. Mmmmm, poets. Tasty. Couplets are a turn-on.

:rofl:

Hekate

[knitter4democracy]

33. Unless we find each other.

;)

I scared all the guys in high school and most of the guys in college. As a couple said a few times in college, "I just can't think of you sexually." I was never sure how to take that.

Then my hubby asked me out--the hottest pre-med on campus. We've been happy ever since. :)

[Blue_Tires]

34. this thread has potential

kick

[BlooInBloo]

48. Heh. Plant a seed, then go to bed - wake up, and wowee!

[NNN0LHI]

36. What do they mean by "smart" though? Book smart? Street smart? What?

I do not consider myself smart. But I do consider myself to be aware of whats going on around me. I have people tell me all the time, You, know too much Don.", but no one ever suggests I am smart.

Don

[bleedingheart]

40. years ago...back when I was in college (stone age)

I was in a bar with my friends...there were four of us gals sharing a pitcher of beer during homecoming...

These alumni fellows came over to hit on us...so they ask..."what you girls studying"...and we said in succession

"Industrial Engineering
Mechanical Engineering
Mathematics
Material Science Engineering..."

The guy was so flustered that he said..."oh I am a rocket scientist" and he walked away...

apparently four women in non-traditional fields was a bit too much for the jackass...

my friends and I laughed and laughed at this....

[Lilith Velkor]

41. If I got a nickel for every time I was told I like guys who are mean and dumb, I'd be one rich bitch

[Triana]

110. HA! You and me both Lilith!!

I don't appreciate people TELLING ME what I like in men. Mean, abusive, and dumb most certainly is NOT it.

But I could retire in lavish luxury if I had $5 for every time that erroneous and honestly rather arrogant and presumptious assertion was made - directly or indirectly.

OTHER PEOPLE don't define me.

*I* define me and NO ONE asked me - ever or at least rarely - if I like men who are mean, abusive, and stupid.

I don't. Never have. Never will.

I can say that the majority of men are - well, abusive, stupid and mean. Men who are not are a minority. I guess that's because THEY have decided we like them that way.

I suppose it's never occurred to them they could be WRONG. (abusers and narcissists are never wrong and if they ever are they won't admit it).

[npincus]

42. Not true. I always liked guys with BIG

brains.

[AspenRose]

47. Me too

My husband was valedictorian in HS, double majored in Chemistry and Math as an undergrad and has a PhD in Chemistry.

I've had women tell me they think he'd be really good looking, too....if he'd get rid of the coke bottle glasses (which is exactly why he keeps them) }(

He said one of his coworkers asked him last week how did a guy like him end up with a hottie like me :blush:

[npincus]

51. LOL- I always liked smart, FUNNY guys.

I had casual dates with "hot" guys back in high school; unfortunately they were not the brightest bulbs... (you could only stand them with the lights on!) tee hee

A sense of humor is right up there with brains-- the guy's got to be funny.

:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

52. (shrug) And I wanna shoot myself in the face if I'm around a stupid girl for more than 10 min....

... But the point isn't individual personal anecdotes.

[helderheid]

43. Huh. Smart and funny are the sexiest things there are.

:shrug:

[Missy Vixen]

50. Absolutely

Smart and funny -- phew. Is it hot in here?

Julie
president for life of the PFEB

[mainegreen]

46. But when nerds find each other, boy do they make up for lost time.

:D

[eridani]

106. I've found that to be true

Both boy and girl nerds are afraid of lowering their high school status by being seen with each other. After you get away from there, finding each other becomes easier. My very favorite thing about nerds of both sexes is that they are very bad at social bullshitting, and so don't do it much.

[Johonny]

53. Of course for males it may just mean

IQs are not fixed numbers in your head that can not be changed. For human males finding a mate in general means large amounts of time commitment. Thus a person that spends a large effort to learn and educate themselves may simply not have enough time to find a mate while a person that spend excessive time searching for a mate may forgo active time studying.

[TahitiNut]

56. Damn! I KNEW I should've majored in Studio Art instead of Mathematics!

:dunce:

[lpbk2713]

58. It certainly worked for Laura Bush.

It's obvious she wasn't looking for a smart guy. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

60. Zing.

[Deja Q]

61. My IQ is rather thigher than the highest one in the site's chart. FYI,

I'm still a virgin.



And the article was a riot to read.

And maybe I will quadruple the amount of time I exercise. What the hell. Doing that won't lower the IQ, however.

[XemaSab]

62. That's funny.... I like guys who are SMART....

extra bonus points if you are smarter than me.... but very few lads GET those extra bonus points. :D

On the flip side, I am often told I am "intimidating." :(

[Greyhound]

70. Nor do nice guys get laid until much later in life, if ever.

There are a few that figure out how to unlock the puzzle box and discern between what people say they want and what they respond to.

[krispos42]

72. Expains the number of Freepers in the world, doesn't it? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

76. Zing.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

74. Maybe the smart kids are smart enough not to lose their virginity just

because they're reached a certain age or because all their friends are doing it.

Maybe the smart kids are smart enough to have their first experience with someone they really care about.

[ecstatic]

75. I like smart guys with an *edge*...

Urkle types don't quite do it for me. It's really quite simple.

[Warren DeMontague]

77. That's why I drank so much in High School, I suppose. It shaved about 40 points off my I.Q.

and did wonders for my sex life.

[BlooInBloo]

79. Budweiser: Helping ugly people hook up since 1898!!!

:rofl:


EDIT: Not saying *you're* ugly - your post just reminded me of a 1-liner I thought was funny.

[Warren DeMontague]

82. Yeah, thanks alot!

Actually, I never could stand Bud (weiser). Even in my cheap beer days.

[Marr]

80. They're also more likely to be depressed, if I'm not mistaken.

I remember reading something about that a few months ago. A study found that people with high IQs were more likley to suffer depression.

[SkyIsGrey]

81. Well I must be the smartest Person on the planet then....

Uh wait a minute..:9

[Matariki]

83. What an odd misguided post.

Studies about teen sex require a lot of faith that the participants are being honest. An adult expecting truthfulness from a teen about his or her sex life is naive at best...

From personal experience - my IQ is over 150 and I started having sex at 15. Lots of sex. With very, very smart guys. Like attracts like and all that. I guess sometimes opposites attract as well.

[Lisa]

86. that's right -- I want a smart guy who's kind, progressive, and creative (n/t)

[JacquesMolay]

88. It might not have anything to do with the grils...

... it might be that smart guys have less game....

[BlooInBloo]

89. Sure - time is zero-sum. Time spent reading is time NOT spent practicing game...

... Or finding the hottest thong to flash, or whatever.



EDIT: Changed to make sense - what a concept.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

91. I recall a line in one of the Nerds movies, I think it was Revenge of the Nerds..

The Nerd had just finished an incredible romantic encounter with a cheerleader.

The cheerleader asks him "How come you are so great at lovemaking".

The Nerd replies "Because all Nerds ever think about is sex and all jocks ever think about is sports".

Seemed pretty true for me, anyway.

[BlooInBloo]

94. I always figured I'd be better off hooking up with a less-pretty girl....

... than the totally-smokin girl. I figured the smokin girl wouldn't be very good in bed, because she doesn't HAVE to be - she's hawt, dontchaknow.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

143. There was a song a long time ago.. don't recall the title or the artist..

If you want to happy for the rest of your life/

Never make a pretty woman your wife/


That being said, attractiveness or not doesn't make all that much difference to sexual ability.

Some smokin' ladies are good and some are not.

The same can be said of the less attractive ladies.

A lack of inhibition and a good personality count for more than looks, IMO.

[porphyrian]

97. That was Revenge of the Nerds, the first in the series, by the way. - n/t

[ieoeja]

92. I don't understand this post. Too many big words.

Now, for a good time, call....

:evilgrin:

[RedCappedBandit]

93. I don't care.

I refuse to waste my time with idiots who aren't willing or able to have a coherent conversation about the issues that I feel passionate about. If that means I'm going to be lonely more often than not, so be it.

[steelyboo]

95. IMHO, I think this tells us more about American culture than human nature

Let's face it, Americans have almost always valued physical over mental. For example, I can remember from Russian studies in college that they treated their top professors like we treat star athletes. Our culture has just become more and more anti-intellectual over the years, and this is just a reflection of that.

[NuttyFluffers]

123. i know that Japan loves the scholar aesthetic

it's pretty obvious just watching their cartoons. but if you learn about the culture more you find it's ingrained even deeper. smart = hot, in their eyes.

[DarkTirade]

129. Hmm... sounds like a good reason to learn japanese then...

[Madspirit]

98. Hey Bloo!

Do girls fall for guys who are really squishy marshmallows inside? : P

Interesting and peculiar study...<g>

Lee

[BlooInBloo]

102. Bah.

[Madspirit]

105. *sniff* Bloo bahed me...n/t

[BlooInBloo]

107. sshhhh.... I was just teasing. :)

[JVS]

100. 70 IQ, isn't that borderline retarded? And kicking the 110 and up group's ass!

:rofl:

[tandot]

103. Girls don't....women do. n/t

[Madspirit]

108. It is difficult

It is difficult to say this without sounding way weird or like OMC...<g>...(just joking OMC) I have a very high IQ. Very. That said, I also had LOTS of sex as a teenager and as a twenty-something. I say it would also depend on the age group. Teens from my era were in our teens and early twenties in the late 60s and early 70s. Free love Baby. If it moved... (...and I was hanging at Swarthmore and Bryn Mawr back then and they were having plenty of sex. ...and they are the brightest of the bright.)

...and it would depend on the household. My parents were extremely abusive. I left home at 15. I was on the streets from my teen years into my middle twenties. I have a mental illness. My parents were crazier than a pet raccoon. IQ alone doesn't tell enough to come to this kind of conclusion. We are more than just our IQs.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

111. True - there are a lot of factors that add up to the result - and they differ at the...

... individual level too, making a full understanding of all of this very difficult.

[Madspirit]

112. I think sex is a good good thing...

Just sayin'...<g>

Lee

[BlooInBloo]

113. I'm quite the fan of it myself - the hang-up thing always struck me as odd.

[JuniperLea]

118. This post gets the Peabody Award!

[Fox Mulder]

115. That explains my lack of dating in high school.

I was too smart.

Oh, and I had overprotective parents as well. :grr:

[JuniperLea]

116. Bullshit...

That's number one on my list, closely followed by a sense of humor and NOT being a Republican. But I haven't been in high school in quite a while. Back then, all I cared about was their surfing ability and the quality of their weed.

Besides, I thought you didn't believe that IQ's meant anything.

[otherlander]

120. Being cool or hot is all there is to girls at *what* age?

:shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

130. At the age the study's talking about. Duh.

[dorkulon]

122. Hell, I could have told you that.

Have you ever been that age?

[DarkTirade]

125. I have an IQ somewhere in the 145-150 range and the only thing that ever got me a girlfriend

in high school was my musical ability. :) That, and my dashing good looks.
Which explains why I was single my entire junior year... that was my 'awkward' year, the good looks were covered up by horrific acne...
Seriously though, every girl I dated (with the exception of one) I met in chorus. And the ratio of straight guys to girls was a minimum of 4 to 1 every year. Not to mention that there were so many extra girls that there were two entire girls' choruses.
And the exception, the one who I dated who wasn't in chorus... she fell for me because she has a weakness for guys who play guitar. :)
Honestly, I've found that my biggest problem isn't attracting women, it's just finding people in general who I can actually have an intelligent conversation with. Fewer people I hang out with = fewer dating opportunities.
And that actually has very little to do with IQ... I've known people with high IQs who don't bother to use them, and people with low IQs that take the time to think things through.

[Hekate]

138. Mmmm. First a poet and now a singing guitarist who can carry a conversation. Tasty.

:rofl:

What can I say? I was in chorus too. And my BF played sax in the band. And wrote poetry to me. Ah, memories.

But we kept it zipped because me getting preggers would have put a SERIOUS crimp in our mutual college plans.

Hekate

[DarkTirade]

139. Yeah, well I didn't lose mine until I was 19

but that was more because my older brother got his girlfriend pregnant at 18, so my parents became paranoid when I started dating and didn't let me out of their sight. :) Thankfully I lived on my own when I went off to college.

[Hekate]

144. Parental paranoia played a role in our behavior, too.The BF himself was scared because a friend...

...in fact his best friend, who was already in college, had to get married at the age of 19 and ended up living with his wife and baby in a room at his new in-laws' house while he finished college. Not fun.

I ended up waiting until I was 21 and could legally get The Pill, but then I'm the cautious type. Looking back, I'm sorry it wasn't my old BF...but that's another story.

Edited to add (referring to the OP) -- he was a very bright guy.

Hekate

[DarkTirade]

145. Yeah, I'm sure we all have that 'sorry it wasn't that person' in the back

of our minds now and then. :) I held off for 'the right girl', but the first one that was 'the right girl' wasn't ready, and I didn't want to push too hard. Then we went off to college and went our seperate ways. In the immortal words of Pepe LePeu, "C'est la guerre". :)

[Alexander]

131. I absolutely refuse to spend the night with dumb girls.

When this one ASU RA I hooked up with dissed King Crimson and praised Ashlee Simpson, I knew there was no way I'd ever give it to her.

Apart from the intellectual aspect, knocking someone else's favorite bands is a very good way to not get laid.

[treestar]

132. This is true

Girls want cute guys, no matter how much the right wing tells you they want guys who will make $$ to support them, etc.

A guy who is good looking doesn't have to be smart, make money, be willing to commit, etc.

Women are as into looks as men are, but the men don't want to deal with it.

[Aptastik]

136. Good thing I'm not after high school girls

::looks over shoulder::

[noamnety]

141. That's quite the sensationalist thread title.

The article gave multiple theories, but did not actually determine cause and effect.

The OP turns it into a Fox News style Terra Alert, exclamation points and CAPS and all. What's the reason for that?

[BlooInBloo]

146. Because it was fun. (God why won't this thread die? lol!)