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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:04 PM
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McLaughlin Group on in Houston now; the immigration issue is killing
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 11:05 PM by babylonsister
the rethugs, not the war. I don't get it...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:04 PM
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1. Racism explains both (if by immigration group, you mean anti-immigration)..
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 11:09 PM by mmonk
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:12 PM
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2. The wall isn't helping the situation, either.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:22 PM
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5. Do you think the wall is changing minds? nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:12 PM
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3. Their result after speaking? Revolt on Capitol Hill. Who knows.
And I meant the immigration bill in all its mixed-up glory from all sides. I really don't understand who wants what, and I suspect that's what everyone banked on, and why it won't be passed.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:12 PM
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4. The Republicans worked hard to keep their base frightened
of foreigners.

Really, it's their one great success. Applause! Applause!

Maybe just a teensy bit of blowback.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:24 PM
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6. My read is that Bush always had certain pre-programmed events that he planned to push for. This
includes invading Iraq, war in Iran, etc. I think the immigration initiative Bush has been trying to push was always conceived as a victory lap, some kind of way to help cement the "permanent Republican majority" (RIP) by bringing in the Hispanic vote into the Republican fold.

However these preprogrammed events are often pushed without any consideration of events on the ground, where their administration and party stands at that moment, and what the actual results of their previous actions have been.

A really large portion of the Republican election time appeals, particularly during the Bush Jr. administration, have been to the base instincts of bigotry, in the form of anti-Arab, anti-Muslim sentiment in the "war on terror" as well as anti-gay sentiment what with the flogging of the various Defense of Marriage type legislation with each election. The type of immigration initiative championed by Bush now completely runs against that current. If the Bush administration were riding high right now, they might be able to get away with the contradiction, but they aren't, and they can't.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:47 PM
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10. I don't know that * had it pre-programmed. I really think he was selected
for his pretzel-like appeasement; 'tell me what to say, and I will'. The bigotry couched in Americanism is not as pervasive to me, but I'm glad they're no longer able to flaunt their unflinching, disgusting 'we care for the soldiers/people/humph!' that they've pulled off.
He's lost a lot more than his mandate. Now, how do we get rid of them both/all?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:29 PM
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7. Of course. Because in that party, racism trumps everything
and the Thugs blew it by fanning that flame too much. The Thuggery has long tried to morph al Qaida into undocumented workers. They succeeded and it's backfiring bigtime.

Their base's hatred is more real to them than the war is. :shrug:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:30 PM
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8. McLaughlin's prediction (spoilers): If/when * goes for more war, he
won't get them. Eleanor Clift's prediction? More higher-up generals will say it's done/not worth it.
We can hope!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:40 PM
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9. It's pitting The Votes against The Money.
The money interests appear to have won that battle, question is will the Syndicate lose the war?.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:07 AM
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11. Gawd. I'm lost by your post. Sorry, thickheadedness here. nt
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:27 AM
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12. Votes = ("The Base") Money = Elections
They need the money to GOTV, but this is a core issue and no amount of money will change the opinion of the base if they think they are being sold out to the financial backers of the Republican Party. Sometimes I'm just too damn obtuse....
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:34 AM
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13. It's Creating A Democratic Majority
I couldn't thank the Repugnicans enough for making racism and hating Mexican and Hispanics a wedge issue. They have handed Democrats the keys to dominating the West and, combined with the Midwest and East coast, the south can go suck eggs. How ironic as this new "southern strategy" will unravel the old one. Fools!

Don't the Repugnican pollsters see the rising numbers of LEGAL Hispanics who live and vote in the Southwest now? New Mexico, that figure reaches upwards of 50%. They're doing to the Hispanics now what they did to the blacks in the 50's and 60's...using them as a political weapon to attract a "base", but they'll pay for it dearly in general electios.

If those gringos could listen to the Hispanic radio stations...they'd hear angry AMERICANS who can't wait to get a piece of the GOOP in the next election. If Democrats are smart, they'll openly go after and organize the Hispanic vote in '08...using the words of a Tancredo or some other Repugnican to show them who is on the side of humanity and who isn't.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:00 AM
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14. Isn't Howard Dean already doing this? Seem to remember he's been spending a lot of time
in New Mexico, Arizona, etc. GO DEAN!
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