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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:11 PM
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The Only Man Stupider than Doug Feith.
Edited on Wed Jun-13-07 11:39 PM by Octafish
General Tommy Franks called neo-con Douglas Feith,
undersecretary of defense for policy,
creator of the Pentagon Office of Special Plans,
“the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth.”



Now that is saying something.
Especially coming from a four-star general who’s seen
lots of politicians and lots of uniformed prima donnas
coming and going.
So he should know.

The fact he's still around to say so,
also is saying something.
Franks is a high-school-days friend of Laura’s.



Douglas Feith

What has the Pentagon's third man done wrong? Everything.


By Chris Suellentrop
Posted Thursday, May 20, 2004, at 6:56 PM ET
Slate.com

Of all the revelations that have surfaced about the Abu Ghraib prison-abuse scandal so far, the least surprising is that Douglas Feith may be partly responsible. Not a single Iraq war screw-up has gone by without someone tagging Feith—who, as the Defense Department's undersecretary for policy, is the Pentagon's No. 3 civilian, after Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz—as the guy to blame. Feith, who ranks with Wolfowitz in purity of neoconservative fervor, has turned out to be Michael Dukakis in reverse: ideology without competence.

It's not that the 50-year-old Feith is at fault for everything that's gone wrong in Iraq. He's only tangentially related to the mystery of the missing weapons of mass destruction, for example. (Though it's a significant tangent: An anonymous "Pentagon insider" told the Washington Times last year that Feith was the person who urged the Bush administration to make Saddam's WMD the chief public rationale for going to war immediately.) Nor was it Feith who made the decision to commit fewer troops than the generals requested. (Though Feith did give the most honest explanation for the decision, saying last year that it "makes our military less usable" if hundreds of thousands of troops are needed to fight wars.) But if he isn't fully culpable for all these fiascos, he's still implicated in them somehow. He's a leading indicator, like a falling Dow—something that correlates with but does not cause disaster.

Start with Abu Ghraib. Feith's office was in charge of Iraq's military prisons, but that's not the only reason his name keeps turning up in newspaper reports about the scandal. It was Feith who devised the legal solution for getting around the Geneva Conventions' prohibition on physically or psychologically coercing prisoners of war into talking. As a Pentagon official in the 1980s, Feith had laid out the argument that terrorists didn't deserve protection under the Geneva Conventions. Once the war on terrorism started, all he had to do was implement it. And even more damning than his legal rule-making is Feith's reported reaction to complaints by military Judge Advocate General lawyers about the new, looser interrogation rules. "They said he had a dismissive, if not derisive, attitude toward the Geneva Conventions," Scott Horton, a lawyer who was approached by six outraged JAG officers last year, told the Chicago Tribune. "One of them said he calls it 'law in the service of terror.' "

Abu Ghraib is only the latest of the Pentagon's Feith-based problems. During the buildup to the war, Feith oversaw the two offices that have since been criticized for politicizing intelligence and for inadequately planning for the occupation. The first group was known as the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Unit, and it was established to find links between terrorist organizations and their state sponsors. The group issued a report about connections between Iraq and al-Qaida that Rumsfeld had Feith deliver to CIA Director George Tenet in August 2002. This was reportedly the same report that Vice President Cheney recently called "your best source of information" on the links between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.


SNIP...

The other office Feith oversees, the Office of Special Plans, probably wrought even worse damage that the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Unit: Its job was postwar planning, which even many conservatives now admit has been a disaster. As USA Today's Walter Shapiro put it this month when he summed up a one-year anniversary panel discussion on Iraq at the American Enterprise Institute (hardly a bastion of the antiwar left): "An easy summary of the overall impression fostered by the panel would be: Right war, wrong postwar plan."

Why is Feith involved with all these foul-ups? How could one man be so consistently in error? Nearly every critique of the Pentagon's plan for Iraq's occupation blames the blinkers imposed by ideology. For example, The New Yorker reported last fall that Feith intentionally excluded experts with experience in postwar nation-building, out of fear that their pessimistic, worst-case scenarios would leak and damage the case for war. In the Atlantic earlier this year, James Fallows told a similar story: The Pentagon did not participate in CIA war games about the occupation, because "it could be seen as an 'antiwar' undertaking" that "weakened the case for launching a 'war of choice.' " The State Department's Future of Iraq Project, an effort that accurately predicted some contingencies that the Pentagon overlooked, was dismissed by Feith and company out of hand.

CONTINUED…

http://www.slate.com/id/2100899/



Well. That all sounds pretty stupid.
But I must submit
there is one person I can think of who’s even STUPIDER than Doug Feith.



Guy doesn’t know what to do.

Started a war because this evil greedy ass told him to,
by appealing to his coke-addled drunken crazy monkey warmongering
empty-brained reptilian neural core:



Enough.
Enough death.
Enough hurting.
Enough destruction.
Enough treason.

Enough already.

It’s time for these warmongers to go.

Edyt: Fixed Feith's old title.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:14 PM
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1. OMFG. He went to high school with the dealer?
K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:31 PM
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4. Could Tommy've dated ol' DBL? It's possible.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/TommyFranks.htm

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:32 PM
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5. Incest doesn't mean what I thought it meant. n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:26 AM
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12. The Inexplicable Enrichment of Bush Cronies
Some forms of inbreeding are more complex:



The Inexplicable Enrichment of Bush Cronies

By Evelyn Pringle

20 April, 2007
Countercurrents.org

It's time for Americans to face the cold hard truth that nothing will be accomplished by allowing the daily carnage in Iraq to continue, and if Bush has his way, our young people will be dying in this war profiteering scheme until hell freezes over. Congress needs to authorize funding to pull our troops out of that deathtrap and not one dime more.

It apparent that Bush is a madman who will listen to no one. After Bush's speech on January 10, 2007, about the plan to send more troops, retired Army Col Doug McGreggor, a former advisor to Don Rumsfeld in 2003, said in a broadcast interview, "There seems to be a complete failure to understand that we have been trying to suppress a rebellion against our occupation."

"As long as we are there," he warned, "we are the number one public enemy for the Muslim-Arab world."

"We were after all," he points out, "a Christian army occupying a Muslim Arab country, something which in the Middle East, is essentially a disaster."

This decorated combat veteran says Bush's strategy will never work. "We did not go to Iraq originally," he explains, "to dismantle the state, dismantle the army, the police, and the government, to occupy the place with the object of changing the people that lived there into something they did not want to become."

After Bush's speech, military families also spoke out publicly against the decision to send more troops. "I don't have words for it," said Nancy Lessin, of Military Families Speak Out, a group of 3,100 families, including 100 who have lost a loved one in the war.

"This is a war," she said, "that should never have happened, that has wreaked so much havoc on our loved ones, Iraqi children, women and men, and now to be facing, almost four years into it, this news of an escalation of the war, is just unbearable."

An Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed that 70% of Americans opposed sending more troops, but Bush went right ahead and did it anyways. And then to make matters worse, this month he announces the plan to extend the 12-month tours to 15-months to allow his 30,000-troop buildup in Baghdad to stay for another year.

This war is going to bankrupt the US. A January 2007 study by Columbia University economist Joseph Stiglitz, who won a Nobel Prize in economics in 2001, and Harvard lecturer Linda Bilmes, estimated that the total costs of the Iraq war could be more than $2 trillion when the long-term medical costs for the soldiers injured so far are factored in.

The only people who are benefiting from Bush's war on terror are members of the Military Industrial Complex. Since 9/11, the pay for the CEOs of the top 34 defense contractors in the US has doubled, according to the August 2006 report, "Executive Excess 2006," by the Institute for Policy Studies, and the United for a Fair Economy.

CONTINUED...

http://www.countercurrents.org/pringle200407.htm



Yeah. People don't even get worried when both families file into the church and sit on the same side of the aisle anymore.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:05 PM
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27. how come this shit never makes it to my TV?
<snip>

Cheney himself is also taking in war profits, contrary to what he told Tim Russert on "Meet the Press" in 2003, when he denied making any money off his former employer. "Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president," he said, "I've severed all my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interest."

"I have no financial interest in Halliburton," Cheney told Tim, "of any kind and haven't had, now, for over three years."

Those statements were proven false when financial disclosure forms showed that Cheney had received a deferred salary from Halliburton of $205,298 in 2001, $262,392 in 2002, $278,437 in 2003, and $294,852 in 2004.

In 2005, an analysis released by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), reported that Cheney continued to hold over 300,000 Halliburton stock options and said their value had risen 3,281% over the previous year, from $241,498 to more than $8 million.

"It is unseemly for the Vice President to continue to benefit from this company at the same time his Administration funnels billions of dollars to it," Senator Lautenberg said.


.... You know I know why. Great Thread Octafish! :hi:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:16 PM
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42. Because the people who own TV also own BushCo. n/t
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:13 AM
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13. A few years ago, I sat on a plane next to a woman from Midland
TX, and she gave me the scoop. Franks did date pickles- and apparently he was admired much more in the Midland area than boosh. Not that that's a big surprise!
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:04 PM
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31. a general once said that if the us was being invaded and he had
only one bullet in his gun, he would save it for Feith. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:09 PM
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32. LOL! I don't blame him. Every horrible idea that Rumsfeld
implemented or tried to probably came from Feith's desk. He's stupid AND evil.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:19 PM
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2. "begats"
Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

Behind the AIPAC Probe, Neocons Seen Battling Rivals
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x807922

War of words over espionage probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x806736

Dual Loyalties The Bush Neocons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x806736

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249

Israeli spy nest in the U.S. - Ashcroft says: ’Don’t arrest them!’
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802249

Ashcroft Nixes Arrests in Israeli Spy Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796806

Secrets: Classified Info: Springing a Leak
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x803017

FBI probes Jewish sway on Bush government
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=802725

Spy Case Renews Debate Over Pro-Israel Lobby's Ties to Pentagon Cons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=804314

Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=783161

Pro-Israel Lobby Has Strong VoiceAIPAC Is Embroiled in Investigation
of Pe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=803035

Defense, Cheney Iran Specialists Questioned in (Israeli Spy) Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801031

Leak Inquiry Includes Iran Experts in Administration (WaPo)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=801678

White House Learned of Spy Probe in 2001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=800454

LAT: Israel Has Long Spied on US,Say Officials(but CIA, Mossad "intimate")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798631

Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi - WaPo
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798333

Serving Two Flags The Bush Neo-Cons and Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=799167

Israeli political advisor may have received U.S. secrets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795817

Pentagon leaks connected to battle over Iran policy (this is big!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=797846

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=796889

Alleged Pentagon Leak to Iraqi Is Under Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=798060

Spy probe scans neo-cons' Israel ties (long article from Asia Times)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794029

AIPAC hires lawyers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794332

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=793930

WP: Spy Probe Expands/Linked to NSC Probe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795385

Pentagon Office in Spying Case Was Focus of Iran Debate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=795432

U.S. Spy Probe Focuses on Two Lobbyists -Guardian
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=794973
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:36 PM
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7. Who has time to read all that?
Smart people, to start.

Good citizens, for more.



Readers are leaders, they say.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:11 AM
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18. 96.5%of the American population is mediocre to illiterate where deciphering print is concerned
The National Adult Literacy Survey represents 190 million U.S. adults over age sixteen with an average school attendance of 12.4 years. The survey is conducted by the Educational Testing Service of Princeton, New Jersey. It ranks adult Americans into five levels. Here is its 1993 analysis:

Forty-two million Americans over the age of sixteen can’t read. Some of this group can write their names on Social Security cards and fill in height, weight, and birth spaces on application forms.


Fifty million can recognize printed words on a fourth- and fifth-grade level. They cannot write simple messages or letters.


Fifty-five to sixty million are limited to sixth-, seventh-, and eighth-grade reading. A majority of this group could not figure out the price per ounce of peanut butter in a 20-ounce jar costing $1.99 when told they could round the answer off to a whole number.


Thirty million have ninth- and tenth-grade reading proficiency. This group (and all preceding) cannot understand a simplified written explanation of the procedures used by attorneys and judges in selecting juries.


About 3.5 percent of the 26,000-member sample demonstrated literacy skills adequate to do traditional college study, a level 30 percent of all U.S. high school students reached in 1940, and which 30 percent of secondary students in other developed countries can reach today. This last fact alone should warn you how misleading comparisons drawn from international student competitions really are, since the samples each country sends are small elite ones, unrepresentative of the entire student population. But behind the bogus superiority a real one is concealed.


Ninety-six and a half percent of the American population is mediocre to illiterate where deciphering print is concerned. This is no commentary on their intelligence, but without ability to take in primary information from print and to interpret it they are at the mercy of commentators who tell them what things mean. A The National Adult Literacy Survey represents 190 million U.S. adults over age sixteen with an average school attendance of 12.4 years. The survey is conducted by the Educational Testing Service of Princeton, New Jersey. It ranks adult Americans into five levels. Here is its 1993 analysis:

Forty-two million Americans over the age of sixteen can’t read. Some of this group can write their names on Social Security cards and fill in height, weight, and birth spaces on application forms.


Fifty million can recognize printed words on a fourth- and fifth-grade level. They cannot write simple messages or letters.


Fifty-five to sixty million are limited to sixth-, seventh-, and eighth-grade reading. A majority of this group could not figure out the price per ounce of peanut butter in a 20-ounce jar costing $1.99 when told they could round the answer off to a whole number.


Thirty million have ninth- and tenth-grade reading proficiency. This group (and all preceding) cannot understand a simplified written explanation of the procedures used by attorneys and judges in selecting juries.


About 3.5 percent of the 26,000-member sample demonstrated literacy skills adequate to do traditional college study, a level 30 percent of all U.S. high school students reached in 1940, and which 30 percent of secondary students in other developed countries can reach today. This last fact alone should warn you how misleading comparisons drawn from international student competitions really are, since the samples each country sends are small elite ones, unrepresentative of the entire student population. But behind the bogus superiority a real one is concealed.


Ninety-six and a half percent of the American population is mediocre to illiterate where deciphering print is concerned. This is no commentary on their intelligence, but without ability to take in primary information from print and to interpret it they are at the mercy of commentators who tell them what things mean. A working definition of immaturity might include an excessive need for other people to interpret information for us.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:21 PM
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21. Linky? Might come in handy in future, TIA. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:49 PM
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22. sorry
http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/2001534.pdf

I went looking for the link I forgot and saw that KOS was just talking about this the other day
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/12/15957/2161
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:51 PM
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23. Thanks. Those are frightening figures! nt
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:50 PM
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36. Holy shit!!! That needs to be a thread of its own!
Thank you for all you do, SLaD.

:kick:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:28 PM
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3. Bush is stupider but, Cheney is plain evil.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 11:33 PM
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6. Agree. Cheney is plain evil. Pure plain evil.
Bush is stupid and evil. He shouldn't be near a BB-gun or an F-102 or the Oval Office.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:05 AM
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8. Agree #2 Evil, evil!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:19 AM
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10. Annie Leibovitz absolutely pegs them.
Somebody at desertratdemocrat, I think, did too.



More brains are in that bronze than in that head.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:14 AM
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9. Oy. It really is a junta. Remember when folks were worried about RFK being JFK's AG?
And it turned out he did the *right thing*...independently, and ethically.

These guys are something else.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:22 AM
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11. The Kennedy Brothers couldn't be bought. So, they couldn't be controlled.
Others, however, seem to have had their price...



Louis Rothschild and Prescott Bush.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:32 AM
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14. Nom
I hate these people.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:43 AM
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16. A LITTLE LEARNING: What Douglas Feith knew, and when he knew it.
I hate people who hurt and kill the innocent. I wonder why Feith, of all people, got that way?



A LITTLE LEARNING

What Douglas Feith knew, and when he knew it.


by JEFFREY GOLDBERG
The New Yorker
Issue of 2005-05-09
Posted 2005-05-02

Douglas J. Feith, who is the UnderSecretary of Defense for Policy, lives in one of the better Maryland suburbs, on a street of large and unhandsome Colonial homes. The interior of Feith’s house has space and light, but it is furnished in a mostly expedient manner; Feith and his wife, Tatiana, have four children—ages eight to twenty-one—and the house feels very much theirs.

The exception is Feith’s library. It is apparent that he has devoted considerable care and money to its design and, in particular, to its collection, which numbers at least five thousand volumes. The floors and shelves are dark oak, and the walls are covered in hunter-green wallpaper. The library is not in the style of the high-station Washington bureaucrat who wants to telegraph his indispensability; there are few photographs of Feith in the company of potentates and prime ministers and presidents. Instead, Feith has filled the room with images of figures who have earned his admiration. Busts of Washington and Lincoln sit on the shelves; Churchill scowls in the direction of Feith’s desk. A black-and-white portrait of Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, hangs over a green leather couch. In his collection, history has displaced nearly every other subject; fiction—his favorite is Nabokov—has been exiled to the basement. The library is weighted disproportionately to the history of the British Empire, and Feith has spent many hours schooling himself in the schemes and follies of the British on the playing fields of the Middle East.

History serves another purpose, Feith suggests: it provides solace to leaders who are misunderstood by their peers. “When history looks back,” he told me, “I want to be in the class of people who did the right thing, the sensible thing, and not necessarily the fashionable thing, the thing that met the aesthetic of the moment.”

Feith, who announced earlier this year that he will be leaving his post by this summer—he said he hopes to write a book about his experiences—has not often met the reigning aesthetic of Washington. It has been Feith’s job, as the top policy adviser to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his departing deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, to help build the intellectual framework for the Bush Administration’s campaign against terrorism. His detractors see him as an ideologue who manipulated intelligence to bring about the invasion of Iraq. His main nemesis on Capitol Hill, Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who serves on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told me that Feith deceived not only the White House but Congress as well. Yet the criticism of Feith in Washington goes beyond his ideology, to his competence. Even some fellow-neoconservatives, who have been lacerating in their criticism of Rumsfeld for his management of postwar Iraq, have asked whether Feith is better at reading history than at shaping it. “I don’t know whether Feith deserves more praise for supporting George W. Bush’s foreign policy or more criticism for being an agent of Rumsfeld,” William Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, said.

Fifteen hundred people report to Feith in the Pentagon, where he is known for the profligacy of his policy suggestions. Tommy Franks, who led the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, has been much quoted as calling Feith “the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth,” apparently for ideas he proposed to Franks and his planners.

Franks’s view is not universally shared by the military. Marine General Peter Pace, who has just been nominated to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says of Feith, “Early on, he didn’t realize that the way he presented his positions, the way he was being perceived, put him in a bit of a hole. But he changed his ways.” Apparently, he became more consultative, particularly with his counterparts on the Joint Chiefs. Pace, who calls Feith a “true American patriot,” said he did not understand Franks’s attack. “This is not directed at any individual,” Pace said, “but the less secure an individual is in his thought processes and in his own capacities, the more prone they were to be intimidated by Doug, because he’s so smart.” (A spokesman for Franks, Michael Hayes, said in an e-mail that the General would not comment for this article: “What do you think he has to gain by talking about Feith?”)

Feith’s most prominent defender is Rumsfeld, who told me that Feith is “one of the brightest people you or I will ever come across. He’s diligent, very well read, and insightful.” Rumsfeld explained Feith’s trouble with Franks this way: “If you’re a combatant commander and you’re in the area of operations and you’re hearing from people in Washington, what you’re hearing is frequently not on point to what you’re worrying about at the moment, just as the reverse is also true.”

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http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050509fa_fact



Feith's family are victims of the holocaust. I'd think he'd hate today's NAZIs.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:22 AM
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17. Feith is a Kameradenpolizei and a Traitor
Too bad jews don't believe in Hell.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:09 PM
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40. That's incredible
Thanks, Octafish
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 06:05 AM
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15. Malevolence or Incompetence?
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 07:04 AM by formercia
The result was the same and should be treated as such. People trying to use excuses to justify behavior doesn't wash.

Sounds like a bunch of lawyers are trying to spin the case in the court of public opinion before it goes to trial.


Doug Feith=Trireme Partners=$$$$=Malevolence.

On edit: Please don't misconstrue this as an attack on this thread, but on the spin masters that try to argue away the criminality as being nothing but incompetence. The insanity defense doesn't cut it. This is a gang of dedicated criminals bent on the task of destroying this Country. It is Treason, nothing less.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:40 AM
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19. Lunch with the Chairman
Speaking of Trirememe Partners, Seymour Hersh hit Richard Perle up against the head with a journalistic two-by-four. Sy also nailed Adnan Khashoggi and Prince Bandar Bush in the process.



LUNCH WITH THE CHAIRMAN

by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
November 23, 2004 | home

Why was Richard Perle meeting with Adnan Khashoggi?

Issue of 2003-03-17
Posted 2003-03-10
At the peak of his deal-making activities, in the nineteen-seventies, the Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. Though never convicted of wrongdoing, he was repeatedly involved in disputes with federal prosecutors and with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and in recent years he has been in litigation in Thailand and Los Angeles, among other places, concerning allegations of stock manipulation and fraud. During the Reagan Administration, Khashoggi was one of the middlemen between Oliver North, in the White House, and the mullahs in Iran in what became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. Khashoggi subsequently claimed that he lost ten million dollars that he had put up to obtain embargoed weapons for Iran which were to be bartered (with Presidential approval) for American hostages. The scandals of those times seemed to feed off each other: a congressional investigation revealed that Khashoggi had borrowed much of the money for the weapons from the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (B.C.C.I.), whose collapse, in 1991, defrauded thousands of depositors and led to years of inquiry and litigation.

Khashoggi is still brokering. In January of this year, he arranged a private lunch, in France, to bring together Harb Saleh al-Zuhair, a Saudi industrialist whose family fortune includes extensive holdings in construction, electronics, and engineering companies throughout the Middle East, and Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American advocates of war with Iraq.

The Defense Policy Board is a Defense Department advisory group composed primarily of highly respected former government officials, retired military officers, and academics. Its members, who serve without pay, include former national-security advisers, Secretaries of Defense, and heads of the C.I.A. The board meets several times a year at the Pentagon to review and assess the country’s strategic defense policies.

Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to Khashoggi last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore.

The letter mentioned the firm’s government connections prominently: “Three of Trireme’s Management Group members currently advise the U.S. Secretary of Defense by serving on the U.S. Defense Policy Board, and one of Trireme’s principals, Richard Perle, is chairman of that Board.” The two other policy-board members associated with Trireme are Henry Kissinger, the former Secretary of State (who is, in fact, only a member of Trireme’s advisory group and is not involved in its management), and Gerald Hillman, an investor and a close business associate of Perle’s who handles matters in Trireme’s New York office. The letter said that forty-five million dollars had already been raised, including twenty million dollars from Boeing; the purpose, clearly, was to attract more investors, such as Khashoggi and Zuhair.

UNFORTUNATE TO SNIP...

Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who has served as the Saudi Ambassador to the United States for twenty years, told me that he had got wind of Perle’s involvement with Trireme and the lunch in Marseilles. Bandar, who is in his early fifties, is a prominent member of the royal family (his father is the defense minister). He said that he was told that the contacts between Perle and Trireme and the Saudis were purely business, on all sides. After the 1991 Gulf War, Bandar told me, Perle had been involved in an unsuccessful attempt to sell security systems to the Saudi government, “and this company does security systems.” (Perle confirmed that he had been on the board of a company that attempted to make such a sale but said he was not directly involved in the project.)

“There is a split personality to Perle,” Bandar said. “Here he is, on the one hand, trying to make a hundred-million-dollar deal, and, on the other hand, there were elements of the appearance of blackmail—‘If we get in business, he’ll back off on Saudi Arabia’—as I have been informed by participants in the meeting.”

As for Perle’s meeting with Khashoggi and Zuhair, and the assertion that its purpose was to discuss politics, Bandar said, “There has to be deniability, and a cover story—a possible peace initiative in Iraq—is needed. I believe the Iraqi events are irrelevant. A business meeting took place.”

Zuhair, however, was apparently convinced that, thanks to his discussions with Trireme, he would have a chance to enter into a serious discussion with Perle about peace. A few days after the meeting in Paris, Hillman had sent Khashoggi a twelve-point memorandum, dated December 26, 2002, setting the conditions that Iraq would have to meet. “It is my belief,” the memorandum stated, “that if the United States obtained the following results it would not go to war against Iraq.” Saddam would have to admit that “Iraq has developed, and possesses, weapons of mass destruction.” He then would be allowed to resign and leave Iraq immediately, with his sons and some of his ministers.

CONTINUED...

http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030317fa_fact



Yeah. Because They can't kill an idea, the pen is mightier than the sword.

Mr. Khashoggi should have his very own DU Dinner Plate...

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:58 AM
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20. A Diamond is Forever
DeBeers, founded by Cecil Rhodes, Knight of Malta.

I bet they had a good sniggle over that pic.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:54 PM
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24. A look at the Democratic Republic of the Congo
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:56 PM
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30. Interesting point...
they always seem to profit greatly from their incompetence, don't they? Look at all the 100s of $billions now being poured into the war efforts. One of the characteristics of fascism is that profit is king.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:27 PM
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34. For incompetents
they sure make a killing, don't they?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:58 PM
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25. Speaking of "Fiasco"s read it
they ALL were completely out to lunch on this. ALL of them Franks Bremer and Sanchez included (okay you knew about Bremer).
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:03 PM
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26. k&r
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:43 PM
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28. K & R numero 30! n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 01:53 PM
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29. This article is 3 years old, just FYI
Still a good'un, though!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:31 PM
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35. History is forever
unless someone makes it disappear.

Keep bringing it up, until the Law catches up with them.

At one time Lepers had to wear bells so everyone would know they were coming.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:31 PM
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38. Report Says Pentagon Manipulated Intel
Here's something more recent.



Report Says Pentagon Manipulated Intel

By ROBERT BURNS
AP Military Writer
Friday February 9, 2007 1:46 PM
AP Photo BAG108

WASHINGTON (AP) - A ``very damning'' report by the Defense Department's inspector general depicts a Pentagon that purposely manipulated intelligence in an effort to link Saddam Hussein to al-Qaida in the runup to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, says the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

``That was the argument that was used to make the sale to the American people about the need to go to war,'' said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich. He said the Pentagon's work, ``which was wrong, which was distorted, which was inappropriate ... is something which is highly disturbing.''

The investigation by acting inspector general Thomas F. Gimble found that prewar intelligence work at the Pentagon, including a contention that the CIA had underplayed the likelihood of an al-Qaida connection, was inappropriate but not illegal. The report was to be presented to Levin's panel at a hearing Friday.

The report found that former Pentagon policy chief Douglas J. Feith had not engaged in illegal activities through the creation of special offices to review intelligence. Some Democrats also have contended that Feith misled Congress about the basis of the administration's assertions on the threat posed by Iraq, but the Pentagon investigation did not support that. Two people familiar with the findings discussed the main points and some details Thursday on condition they not be identified.

Levin has asserted that President Bush took the country to war in Iraq based in part on intelligence assessments - some shaped by Feith's office - that were off base and did not fully reflect the views of the intelligence community.

In a telephone interview Thursday, Levin said the IG report is ``very damning'' and shows a Pentagon policy shop trying to shape intelligence to prove a link between al-Qaida and Saddam.

CONTINUED...

http://www.democrats.com/Report-Says-Pentagon-Manipulated-Pre-War-Intel



Whatever happened to that report, anyway?

PS: Sorry about posting the olds.
Wouldn't have to if Corporate McPravda were doing their jobs.
It's a good thing there's no statute of limitations on murder. Or treason.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:34 PM
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39. Ah, but it was a classic
And not a single word has been proven false.

Nor has Tommy Frank's opinion of him changed, I'd wager.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:10 PM
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33. You what, when Junior was selected, I told my friend in Amsterdam
that a bunch of criminals were going to run our government.

And I didn't know 1/100th of what this Cabal was up to.

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:30 PM
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37. They are smart enough to remain free to this date-despite all the blood they've spilled.
Despite the truths about their criminal conspiracy.

They've got TO GO.

:mad:
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pkarsh Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:54 PM
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41. These people are not stupid
They are evil!! They are not stupid. They want you to think they are stupid so you will underestimate them.

Back in 2000 I heard Molly Ivins on the radio warning us not to underestimate this man (Bush). Let us not repeat our mistakes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:21 PM
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44. Welcome to DU, pkarsh.
People keep saying that to me. It's hard to believe. People can be evil AND stupid but, that's just how it seems to me. :shrug:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 10:17 PM
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43. Incompetence by design.
Criminals by nature.
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